How are these Great Beings explained?

[oldbadger]

Well of course the first part is rubbish - I'm no brighter than anyone else...

Kind words...... I even got my ego out to give it a polish, but my Wife told me to put it away!

.............. but I do think cherry-picking is a legitimate approach to deciding which religious beliefs to adopt and which to reject. The problem with the Baha'i (and other exclusive sects) approach is that the picking is entrusted to someone who already did the picking a long time ago and what might have seemed like sweet ripe cherries back then are fit only for pickling now if they are fit for anything at all.

Very good picture, right there!
That could fit political ideologies as well, but of course Bahai IS a political ideology as well, after all, it wants to legislate for, judge and govern a Bahai World.

How about this?
Thousands of posts have shown to me that some faith followers cannot bring themselves to agree to, accept or even acknowledge any point or tenet which might contend against their faith, at all.
I think the most common word used is indoctrination.

But...... a better word might be 'imprinting'. My best example is not intended as insult to any, it's just my best example. When I take our little dachshund to the beach she will search for a pebble. After a while she will start to paw at a particular pebble. Then she starts to paw and make a very shrill high pitched yipping as she paws at it. She has imprinted upon that one pebble, in countless billions, and if I pick it up and throw a long way away she will run to the area, search, find the pebble and start again to paw and whine at it. There are billions of pebbles on this beach. There is only one for her.

Imprinting. I wonder if it affects humans?

 

[oldbadger]

......................That prophecy is that there will be a sovereign that will stand up and embrace the Cause of Baha'u'llah (Must check the wording). There has been a couple of royalty accept Baha'u'llah, but I am thinking it will be an English Monarch that will fulfill this Prophecy in greater clarity.

Regards Tony

Oh no!
As soon as William (or Charles) is asked about Bahai, and replies that it is ok, (or whatever), Bingo! Another goal for Bahai!

Let the failed prophesies slip away into the darkness of time.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Not my God's guidance, as my God loves all and is in all. Since She/He is in everything, by rejecting certain people, you're rejecting God. So we worship different Gods I guess. But that's fine. Let the people choose, and I suspect most would choose a God of Love.

All these events are only hastening this day.....

“Soon will the present day order be rolled up and a new one laid out in its stead” Baha’u’llah

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Here's a really heartwarming site ... full of real life stories. Home - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project

I dont hate abrahamic religions but their view of sexuality limits the nature of human beings as sexual people. If we think of it, we are sexual human beings. We have a nees to be touch as in parent to child. We have a need to be hugged by our friend and foe. Many feel we have the need to touch the brow of their spouse and friend. Some find the need to be lustful among their consenting companion. Others value love with their life long best friend. Each parent, spouse, friend, and companion may believe in god. In their belief in god, they become better parents, friends, and spouses.

It's interesting that one person who reads this post may try to put in male or female in any of these categories of people to mirror their beliefs. Yet, the objective fact is these relationships are blessed by god. It should not make sense the gender and sex of these people.

My question is how does one's sex make a person an enemy or foe; a spouse, a significant other; a person of god or a person of sin.

The stories are sad. I really dont like the ones where people are "not gay anymore." Unless they struggled with temptation to act sexually inappropriately one can be gay and be abrahamic. Though, the one with the woman being lesbian denied her being bahai by the UHJ is sad. How can science be equal with bahai teachings when the definitions of the words like homosexual is different than sacred scripture and these definitions are accepted while other scientific ones bypassed.

I dont understand that. I dont know too much of Islamic thought compares to christianity but it sounds the same in culture and from bahai view belief.

Shrugs.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What a laugh! How many times have I read about how destitute poor, unprivileged and burdened was your Prophet. Yet here is he is, surrounded by secretaries!
It begins to look as if Bahais might be blinded to the common sense of individual investigation!


He was a Hafiz........ I don't doubt it!


How similar to the claims of Joseph Smith, who found Golden tablets with the Divine guidance and words of God thereupon.

Have you ever thought of researching the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? If not, why not? Joseph Smith claimed just such Divine intervention, so surely you would take careful notice of this?

But somehow I'll guess that you never gave it another thought, which is where I am after researching Bahai and its claims.

I don’t know what your idea of secretaries are but it was in prison in chains not as you depict it in a penthouse suite in the Empire State Building.

If you did any serious research you would see the prison and chains Baha’u’llah wore.

Joseph Smith was a reformer who tried to reform the church but he never claimed a new religion or to be Christ returned.

Don’t accept Baha’i and don’t even research it if you don’t want to. But if you have the urge to challenge or try and disprove then you have come to the right place. Bring it on!

 

[oldbadger]

I don’t know what your idea of secretaries are but it was in prison in chains not as you depict it in a penthouse suite in the Empire State Building.

If you did any serious research you would see the prison and chains Baha’u’llah wore.

Prison and chains.
Or comfortable quarters?
And his secretarys were furnished with all that they needed to work?
Tough imprisonment, that one.

I am reminded of the relics, garment particles, shrouds and bones of the Christian apostles........

Joseph Smith was a reformer who tried to reform the church but he never claimed a new religion or to be Christ returned.

But you have not researched or examined his prophetic claims, nor his tablets? Hmmmm.....

Don’t accept Baha’i and don’t even research it if you don’t want to. But if you have the urge to challenge or try and disprove then you have come to the right place. Bring it on!

OK...... I tried. I just did some research.
1. Bahauallah was a Babi.
2. The Bab introduced the '2 brides only' rule.
3. Bahauallah broke the rule.

I'm researching!
And at every junction I seem to find severe difficulties.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Ha ha! The Cherry-Pickers!

Prophet:- This will happen. = OK
Clairvoyant :- This will happen = Unnacceptable.

If Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Elijah, and Ezekiel are the cherrys and the clairvoyants are not cherries we are cherry pickers for sure.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Prison and chains.
Or comfortable quarters?
And his secretarys were furnished with all that they needed to work?
Tough imprisonment, that one.

Toward the end of His life, Bahá’u’lláh’s writings on His early experiences included a brief description of the conditions in the Síyáh-Chál.

We were consigned for four months to a place foul beyond comparison…. The dungeon was wrapped in thick darkness, and Our fellow-prisoners numbered nearly a hundred and fifty souls: thieves, assassins and highwaymen. Though crowded, it had no other outlet than the passage by which We entered. No pen can depict that place, nor any tongue describe its loathsome smell. Most of these men had neither clothes nor bedding to lie on. God alone knoweth what befell Us in that most foul-smelling and gloomy place!

Each day the guards would descend the three steep flights of stairs of the pit, seize one or more of the prisoners, and drag them out to be executed. In the streets of Teheran, Western observers were appalled by scenes of Bábí victims blown from cannon mouths, hacked to death by axes and swords, and led to their deaths with burning candles inserted into open wounds in their bodies. 6 It was in these circumstances, and faced with the prospect of His own imminent death, that Bahá’u’lláh received the first intimation of His mission.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 2-4

 

[TransmutingSoul]

OK...... I tried. I just did some research.
1. Bahauallah was a Babi.
2. The Bab introduced the '2 brides only' rule.
3. Bahauallah broke the rule.

I'm researching!
And at every junction I seem to find severe difficulties.

I can assure you Baha'u'llah broke no rule . You can provide a link to that if you wish.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Prison and chains.
Or comfortable quarters?
And his secretarys were furnished with all that they needed to work?
Tough imprisonment, that one.

In the mid-1800s ‘Akká (Acre) was the end of the world, a final destination for the most notorious murderers, highway robbers, and political enemies of the Ottoman regime. A walled city of filthy streets and damp, desolate houses, ‘Akká had no source of fresh water, and the air was popularly described as being so foul that birds flying overhead would fall dead out of the sky.


The authorities expected that Bahá’u’lláh and His companions would perish quickly in this prison city.

Arrival at the sea gate - The Life of Bahá'u'lláh

Bahá’u’lláh arrives in the Holy Land - The Life of Bahá'u'lláh

 

[Dawnofhope]

It's interesting that the most adamant on-line anti-Baha'i sites are either Islamic or Christian. Hindus don't say much at all.

Hindus are anti the Baha'i faith and other religions just as the Abrahamics.

RUHI BOOKS: A commentary on the differences between Hindu Religion and the Baha'i Faith

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don't mind hearing about these Great Beings, and wish that more Ancient Great Beings could be included.

But when somebody tries to spoon feed to me the idea that the son of a wealthy powerful Muslim received no education, after my reading about his specialised training, plus the fact that he was a Muslim son, it considered by all Muslims that the Qu'ran was everything that a Muslim needed for life's preparation, then I really do need to scratch that irritation.

As you could see from the reports back in 2011 (now turned around) Muslims are most keen for their children to KNOW the Qu'ran. It's never changed in hundreds and hundreds of years.

It all depends on Who Baha’u’llah is. IF He is a Manifestation of God then He speaks truthfully and should never be doubted.

As you don’t accept He is a Manifestation of course you doubt.

It all comes back to resolving whether or not He was the Promised One foretold in the scriptures of all religions or not.

 

[Dawnofhope]

But that's not the point. Beliefs can be based on wrong interpretations or made up myths, but if believed as true, they can inspire people to do great things.

Christ emphasising love, forgiveness, and justice was agruably a much more important inspiration for His followers than the the church promoting a triune god through the Nicene Creed during the fourth century.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Hindus are anti the Baha'i faith and other religions just as the Abrahamics.

RUHI BOOKS: A commentary on the differences between Hindu Religion and the Baha'i Faith

Hi Adrian. I found a lot of things said were enlightening and we can learn a lot from Hindus who are deep and beautifully spiritual people.

There’s a lot I have taken away from that blog and I’m grateful for much that was pointed out as it helps me to better myself.

God bless all Hindus and I always try and remind myself of just how welcoming Hindus are and how tolerant they are towards Faiths when I think of the Lotus Temple.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Prison and chains.
Or comfortable quarters?
And his secretarys were furnished with all that they needed to work?
Tough imprisonment, that one.

I am reminded of the relics, garment particles, shrouds and bones of the Christian apostles........


But you have not researched or examined his prophetic claims, nor his tablets? Hmmmm.....




OK...... I tried. I just did some research.
1. Bahauallah was a Babi.
2. The Bab introduced the '2 brides only' rule.
3. Bahauallah broke the rule.

I'm researching!
And at every junction I seem to find severe difficulties.

Suffering of Baha’u’llah

The Suffering of Bahá'u'lláh

Joseph Smith prophecies about Baha’u’llah

The 1891 Prophecies of Joseph Smith FULFILLED in the Bahá'u'lláh

Wives of Baha’u’llah

Wives of Baha'u'llah

His first wife He married before the Bab’s Declaration under Muslim law. Then the next two wives He was permitted under Babi law and He married them before His Book of Laws was revealed so they were three legally and rightful marriages all according to the law.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So too for Hinduism, when Siva found me. It was mostly personal insight from experiences not books, not people though. When my first few encounters with any Hindu stuff matched what I already figured, I thought, 'Maybe there's something to this correlation.' People did come later, but Hindus rarely discuss philosophy amongst ourselves, too many conflicts to mention. But if you take a class you do meet a few others on the same or similar wavelengths.

Without doubt there has been great light that has emanated from India over the centuries. You remind us of that.

 

[Vinayaka]

I read a few stories and then found the one I posted a link to as above, it appears you did not read it.

I think the view offered in that story is very in tune with what Baha'u'llah has offered and well done to Him. I admire His strong and loving heart and His grasp of the Message of Baha'ullah.

Yes, I read that one too. It's an open site where any and all stories can be published. I looked at the whole, and didn't just select the most negative one to post here. But of course it's your right to pick the one that is the most true to the Baha'i agenda and re-post it here. Cherry picking is a well known pattern of behaviour.

But the point I'm trying to make here is that most non-Baha'i and ex-Baha'i aren't the evil negative lying manipulators of truth they're made out to be here. They're people, with legitimate stories of why they left. I don't think anyone can really understand it unless they're in the middle of it. Just as anyone outside of Iran doesn't truly get the Baha'i persecution there, so too does anyone with no personal connections to it understand what it must be like to be a gay Baha'i. You'd need to have a gay child, and hopefully, actual love would prevail.

 

[Vinayaka]

Hindus are anti the Baha'i faith and other religions just as the Abrahamics.

RUHI BOOKS: A commentary on the differences between Hindu Religion and the Baha'i Faith

I think you mistake the word 'anti' and disagreement. 'Anti' to me means taking a very active role in degrading the other side, to the point of using falsehood. Basically, it becomes dog-eat-dog, anything goes type of mentality, perhaps resorting to violence. Disagreeing, because you disagree, is another matter.

 

[Vinayaka]

Without doubt there has been great light that has emanated from India over the centuries. You remind us of that.

And how does this relate? My point was that that knowledge had come from within me, I probably had no clue even where India was at the time. This 'great light' lays dormant within each and everyone of us. Mystically, It's coiled at the base of the spine, under the snake known as kundalini.

 

[Vinayaka]

It all comes back to resolving whether or not He was the Promised One foretold in the scriptures of all religions or not.

That's very true, and the very reason we only have about 5 million Bahai's on a planet of 7 billion. So around one in a thousand has accepted it.