How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

Some, yes. It's the colloquial version of 'overuse of superlatives'. I do read the quotes, sometimes.

I suppose the Abrahamic God has a lot be to be proud about, being Omnipotent, All-Powerful lol.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Couldn't help me too much in my studies about historic Jesus.
Heavily influenced by John, and his Faith was Orthodox.

That's right. Irenaeus provided a great deal of support for mainstream Christianity such as viewing all four gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John as canonical scripture. One third of his citations were from Pauline letters and he quoted from 21 out of the 27 NT texts.

The 616 can be calculated direct from prophecy, or so I understand. If that had been more helpful, for instance, if it had sent the result to the birth year of Bahauallah, which number do you think Bahai might have chosen?

666 isn't a calculation from prophecy. Its simply a number that appears once in the book of Revelation. It was the Christians, not the Baha'is who put it there. The Baha'is simply having an interpretation of it, that links to well established history.

It's all crazy anyway, to dismiss Spiritualism, Mediums, Healers, Fortune Tellers, Soothsayers etc whilst clinging so closely to numerology and the very word 'spiritual' .... just seems like yet another version of double-think double-speak.

The Abrahamic faiths have been consistently prophetic and avoided clairvoyants.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Very Interesting figures. So no God, or religion not based on God, grows faster than mainstream religions, with the Baha'i Faith also growing fast in the background.

Interesting that has been foretold by Baha'u'llah.

I hope all is well.

Regards Tony

Despite a marked decline in religious belief in the West with countries like New Zealand, Australia, Canada, England, and the USA seeing major losses in numbers of Christians, the number of Abrahamic religious adherents globally are set to rise rapidly this century, with predicted to become the worlds largest religion.

The Changing Global Religious Landscape

Interesting times ahead.

 

[siti]

@siti 's brighter 'n me, so he might know how to teach about it, not that he actually uses it. That could be a problem..... if you ask an exponent of cherry-picking tgo teach it, they usually hotly deny all knowledge of the subject.

Well of course the first part is rubbish - I'm no brighter than anyone else...but I do think cherry-picking is a legitimate approach to deciding which religious beliefs to adopt and which to reject. The problem with the Baha'i (and other exclusive sects) approach is that the picking is entrusted to someone who already did the picking a long time ago and what might have seemed like sweet ripe cherries back then are fit only for pickling now if they are fit for anything at all.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Despite a marked decline in religious belief in the West with countries like New Zealand, Australia, Canada, England, and the USA seeing major losses in numbers of Christians, the number of Abrahamic religious adherents globally are set to rise rapidly this century, with predicted to become the worlds largest religion.

The Changing Global Religious Landscape

Interesting times ahead.

Makes this Hidden Word very relevant;

"O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes."

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In 1863, the Belgian Ambassador to Paris wrote of sensing "a widespread unease that once again the French were on the threshold of great unknown events...on every side I hear repeated ' if we are not at 1847, we are at least at 1845'" (Quoted by Cambridge historian JPT Bury in Napoleon III and the Second Empire, 1964, p.108)

In this quote, the references to 1845 and 1847 refer to the events leading up to the 1848 revolution that had ultimately brought Napoleon III to power as the elected President of the Second Republic after the overthrow of the monarchy of Louis Phillipe I - the last King of the French. The implications of those comments were pretty obvious - that many people - not just those who wrote it down - felt that Napoleon's days at the helm of the French nation were numbered.

So there is one - Eugene Beyens not only predicting the downfall of Napoleon III six years before Baha'u'llah wrote his letter, but capturing the mood of the French people who clearly anticipated further political turmoil. Were they all inspired?

Keep digging, you may find a few.

You could save yourself the time and trouble as Baha'u'llah has them all collated with more precise information. He told Nepolean that His Kingdom will fall and the French would suffer, no hedging of a bet there by saying "...the French were on the threshold of great unknown events.." Why do you offer predictions of less clarity, especially when you accuse Baha'u'llah of not being clear enough?

You could take each of Baha'u'llah's Prophecies and say which on failed to have an answer in the world at the time.

I will give you a head start. One is yet to be fulfilled, but thats only a maybe. That prophecy is that there will be a sovereign that will stand up and embrace the Cause of Baha'u'llah (Must check the wording). There has been a couple of royalty accept Baha'u'llah, but I am thinking it will be an English Monarch that will fulfill this Prophecy in greater clarity.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In 1863, the Belgian Ambassador to Paris wrote of sensing "a widespread unease that once again the French were on the threshold of great unknown events...on every side I hear repeated ' if we are not at 1847, we are at least at 1845'" (Quoted by Cambridge historian JPT Bury in Napoleon III and the Second Empire, 1964, p.108)

In this quote, the references to 1845 and 1847 refer to the events leading up to the 1848 revolution that had ultimately brought Napoleon III to power as the elected President of the Second Republic after the overthrow of the monarchy of Louis Phillipe I - the last King of the French. The implications of those comments were pretty obvious - that many people - not just those who wrote it down - felt that Napoleon's days at the helm of the French nation were numbered.

So there is one - Eugene Beyens not only predicting the downfall of Napoleon III six years before Baha'u'llah wrote his letter, but capturing the mood of the French people who clearly anticipated further political turmoil. Were they all inspired?

Sorry, I am not following you. He wrote in 1863 about an event in 1848? How would that be a prediction? The date of prediction is after the date of the event? If you want to clarify it plz.

 

[siti]

Why do you offer predictions of less clarity, especially when you accuse Baha'u'llah of not being clear enough?

And why do you openly sacrifice any pretense of intelligent reading ability in order to win an argument? By making reference to 1847 and 1845, Beyens was saying that France was no more than one to three years from another revolution - he was out by 4 years because the revolution didn't happen until 1870 - just as well for Baha'u'llah otherwise it might have happened before he wrote his letter. But in any case, read intelligently, Beyens' "prophecy" was more detailed than Baha'u'llah's - at least he indicated a timeframe. Pity Baha'u'llah didn't do that for the Baha'i Monarch - but it could happen - we have had a few oddballs on the throne of England over the centuries - one more wouldn't surprise me in the least. You should apply for it - you'd make a good monarch - by your avatar you've already got the hand waving thing down to a tee.

 

[siti]

Sorry, I am not following you. He wrote in 1863 about an event in 1848? How would that be a prediction? The date of prediction is after the date of the event? If you want to clarify it plz.

He wrote in 1863 that he felt that the political turmoil of 1848 would soon be repeated - it was in 1870. It was (according to him) a general feeling in Paris that political turmoil would soon repeat itself in France. You have to know something about French history of the period to put Baha'u'llah's "prophecy" in context. The point I am making is that it is absurd to suggest that Baha'u'llah's prediction that Napoleon would be deposed was a startling revelation that no-one else could have foreseen - and certainly not to the French who had changed their Head of State on average about once a year during the previous century. It would have been much more surprising if he had remained Emperor until his death - and even then, Baha'i's could still have claimed fulfillment of the prophecy and with God's hand directly in it to boot!

 

[Vinayaka]

I suppose the Abrahamic God has a lot be to be proud about, being Omnipotent, All-Powerful lol.

It's interesting that the most adamant on-line anti-Baha'i sites are either Islamic or Christian. Hindus don't say much at all.

Baha'is are persecuted in Islamic dominated countries, but not in the one Hindu majority country, India. Yes, I suppose that could make the Abrahamic God proud somehow, but for the love of God, I don't know how.

When an aggressive violent culture interacts with a passive peaceful culture, normally the aggressive one annihilates the peaceful one. History has shown this time and again. Yes, your God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Vinayaka]

Sorry, I am not following you. He wrote in 1863 about an event in 1848? How would that be a prediction? The date of prediction is after the date of the event? If you want to clarify it plz.

But if he knows the past, the present, and the future, it could be. If he's infallible, linear time would be irrelevant.

Airplanes, television, global warming, the automobile, the internet ... which books of his give ANYTHING SPECIFIC? These are important things to all of mankind. (You'll dig up something, I'm sure of it, lol)

 

[Vinayaka]

Here's a really heartwarming site ... full of real life stories. Home - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project

 

[InvestigateTruth]

He wrote in 1863 that he felt that the political turmoil of 1848 would soon be repeated - it was in 1870. It was (according to him) a general feeling in Paris that political turmoil would soon repeat itself in France. You have to know something about French history of the period to put Baha'u'llah's "prophecy" in context. The point I am making is that it is absurd to suggest that Baha'u'llah's prediction that Napoleon would be deposed was a startling revelation that no-one else could have foreseen - and certainly not to the French who had changed their Head of State on average about once a year during the previous century. It would have been much more surprising if he had remained Emperor until his death - and even then, Baha'i's could still have claimed fulfillment of the prophecy and with God's hand directly in it to boot!

Thanks for clarifying it. Down and fall of kingdoms I think would be different than just dying. Bahaullah prophesied the kingdom of the Queen shall stay, but with regards to several others, He wrote they will fall. And as you see, the kingdom of the Queen has still remained to this date, even though that Queen died. Everybody dies, and that does not require prophecy. Now what matters is He did not make any prophecy that failed. I can predict 100 things, some of them will come true, most of them fail. But if I prophecy 20 events, and none of them fails, it is a sign of my knowledge of future predictions.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Here's a really heartwarming site ... full of real life stories. Home - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project

This story I see is very in tune to what we are offered when we consider Gods Laws;

What is the truth behind Baha'i laws on homosexuality. - Read Stories - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

This story I see is very in tune to what we are offered when we consider Gods Laws;

What story? You obviously didn't look at the site. It contained tons of stories, heartbreaking, and heartwarming, depending on POV, I suppose.

Yes, we know what the Baha'i stance on homosexuality is, Tony. Unfortunately.

 

[Dawnofhope]

It's interesting that the most adamant on-line anti-Baha'i sites are either Islamic or Christian. Hindus don't say much at all.

Baha'is are persecuted in Islamic dominated countries, but not in the one Hindu majority country, India. Yes, I suppose that could make the Abrahamic God proud somehow, but for the love of God, I don't know how.

When an aggressive violent culture interacts with a passive peaceful culture, normally the aggressive one annihilates the peaceful one. History has shown this time and again. Yes, your God works in mysterious ways.

Ahhh, but the Abrahamic God, is a God of love and peace, unless you push Him too far, and then....well I wouldn't push God too far because the Abrahamic God is not a pacifist.

As for all the wars and killing, that my Abrahamic brothers and sisters engage in, past and present, most of this is man ignoring, misinterpreting or misunderstanding God rather than listening and obeying God....not that God hasn't urged His followers to fight in times past and present, mostly for self defensive reasons.

Have non-Abrahamic been violent and contributed to wars as well? Of course, Hindu's included.

Now the Abhrahamic God has spoken again, through His Messenger Baha'u'llah. He wants to establish an enduring peace for everyone. The Baha'is have never started a war with anyone, nor will we.

 

[siti]

Bahaullah prophesied the kingdom of the Queen shall stay, but with regards to several others, He wrote they will fall. And as you see, the kingdom of the Queen has still remained to this date, even though that Queen died.

Which "several others" did Baha'u'llah predict the downfall of?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What story? You obviously didn't look at the site. It contained tons of stories, heartbreaking, and heartwarming, depending on POV, I suppose.

Yes, we know what the Baha'i stance on homosexuality is, Tony. Unfortunately.

This story I see is very in tune to what we are offered when we consider Gods Laws;

What is the truth behind Baha'i laws on homosexuality. - Read Stories - LGBTQ Baha'i Story Project

Regards Tony

I read a few stories and then found the one I posted a link to as above, it appears you did not read it.

I think the view offered in that story is very in tune with what Baha'u'llah has offered and well done to Him. I admire His strong and loving heart and His grasp of the Message of Baha'ullah.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which "several others" did Baha'u'llah predict the downfall of?

The Prisoner and the Kings by William Sears is a book that covers a lot of this History - Prisoner and the Kings

A few are;

Kaiser William I
Sultan 'Abdu'l-'Aziz, ruler of the vast Ottoman Empire
Alexander II Nicolaevitch, Czar of all the Russia
Nasiri'd-Din Shah, king of Persia


"....The Prisoner called upon the kings and leaders of men to unite in an energetic world- wide effort so that the peoples of the earth might attain social justice and peace: "Arise thou amongst men in the name of this all-compelling Cause, and summon, then, the nations unto God . . . " Why should any king pay attention to such "ravings?" Who would believe a madman who announced publicly the collapse of the world's greatest kingdoms? If he couldn't even save himself from prison, how would he be able to control the destinies of kings?

Yet, that is precisely what he did.

Kings were shut up in prison and the Prisoner was, released. Monarchies were overthrown and vanished while the Prisoner's ideals have permeated the thinking of all mankind. It happened exactly as foretold in the letters from the prison cell in Palestine, and it happened with frightening precision, step by step, until each despot was dethroned, each King was shorn of his power, and the dynasty of each monarch was forever extinguished!

It is the most remarkable story of our times...."

Regards Tony

 

[oldbadger]

The Abrahamic faiths have been consistently prophetic and avoided clairvoyants.

Ha ha! The Cherry-Pickers!

Prophet:- This will happen. = OK
Clairvoyant :- This will happen = Unnacceptable.

Instructions. Pin the correct badge onthe medium that fits the agenda. What a laugh.