God is the Judge so I can’t say what will be their fate but God is forgiving and merciful.
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How are these Great Beings explained?
- Thread starter loverofhumanity
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God is the Judge so I can’t say what will be their fate but God is forgiving and merciful.
The purpose of teaching is to spiritually revive people so numbers have never been the real goal.
How so? His first marriage was before the Bab declared in 1835 perfectly legal as a Muslim,
His second marriage was in 1849 so He only had two wives the as a Babi again according to thr legal law of the land and the Babi law.
He took His third wife not as a Babi in Baghdad but as a new Manifestation in about 1862 decades before His Most Holy Book was revealed. A new Manifestation is not bound by the laws of the previous Dispensation. “He doe the whatsoever He willeth”.
By the time Baha’u’llah married His 3rd wife He had already become a new Manifestation and He didn’t reveal His Book of Laws until decades later.
And even when they don't need reviving. And herein lies the problem.
He could have had 199 wives. He's infallible. Or did you forget that part?
Baha’u’llah described it as being the ability to ‘gaze with the eye of God’.
Everything becomes clear. Knowing replaces believing.
Rome shared those same sentiments and they were on the verge of collapse.
One example, and there were a ton of reason why that place collapsed. Civilisations and countries come and go. It's the cycle of life, and entirely temporal.
Of course he did. This is how he usually described himself. It's part of the messiah complex, thinking you're God. It's what people with that psychological disorder do. Of course their actions never support their words.
God complex - Wikipedia
You have just proved Baha'u'llahs explanation of progressive Revelation and the unfolding of all the Great Beings. Religion also going through cycles.
To now refute this, is not possible.
Regards Tony
That is the Proof of the Great Beings, their actions are their Word.
It is us, humanity, that are guilty as charged. Our actions do not match our words. This is our calling, to change our ways and let deeds do our talking.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Waffle, complete waffle.
A marriage is a marriage, until divorce or death, for all time. And so his marriage during Muslim times remained a marriage when Babi laws took hold.
And so when he took a third wife he broke babi law.
He broke it all in action, in spirit, in integrity.
Any detached observer can see that a man who believes in a maximum of two wives and marries three has lost his integrity. You cannot waffle it away.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Are you claiming to be able to 'gaze with the eye of God'?
All clear and all knowing?
Imagine a World with NHJs and UHJs controlled by all knowing folks who know that they gaze with eye of God. They could never be wrong.
And it is unlikely that they would be replaced.
The Orwellian World arrived.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
So true.....................
Without exceptions, it seems.
All the great invasions, once seen as great natural migrations which overran, crossed bloodlines and receded, were just that......... nature's demands.
Today the young don't need Mongol like invasions, they can get on an airbus and do it all in a holiday.
If people with God complex actually were who they claim to be, they could make it rain where there is drought, eliminate violence, stop nuclear warfare, and much more. But since they're not God, they can't. The contributions of Baha'i to world peace is negligible at best. At worst, it's a cause for disunity because of the fundamentalist (I'm right and you're wrong, and that is the fact.) approach many adherents seem to take. It's not a conciliatory approach at all, but a trenched in, I'm smarter than you approach. Sad that. A far more conciliatory approach would be to leave the prophets right out of it altogether. A far less condescending attitude. But until people want to come to peace talks with mutual respect in mind, instead of their personal agenda, it isn't about to happen. But its all good, as this planet is ever in flux.
Yes, up and down cycles. Sometimes it gets better. Sometime it gets worse. Not progressive at all. But this is essentially a dispute between two very differing paradigms.
The 'Book of Certitude' is just that, it does cement Certitude - The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library
Regards Tony
Who are the owners of the 'differing paradigms'.
If all humanity reached Moksha, what is there?
Regards Tony
Just as a personal declaration of infallibility is no proof, no amount of words can add certainty to any religious or in this case, socio-political doctrine. About the same as a politician saying, 'I'm sure of it'. Of course some politicians have blind unfazed followers as well. All in the same ilk of 'I'm right and you're wrong.'
Nobody owns ideas, but people do have unhealthy loyalty to them. Since moksha is tied to reincarnation, from your POV, that's impossible ... unless, you change the definition of moksha entirely to suit your own agenda.