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How are these Great Beings explained?

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Their mystical experiences (the one's that believe in them; not all do) are shaped by their traditions, language, and culture. And because they are, and each TLC is different, they have different foundations.​

That's our diversity but no religion exclusively owns or can be said to have trademarked truth. Truth is common to all religions and nobody owns it.

You are saying that the sun and rain that falls on your turf is exclusively yours and I am saying it is universal across humanity and shared by all. No one owns a copyright on their religion.​

I cannot say that enough.

Please read this.

You are not a Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu just because you went to their temples. If that's the case, I'm also a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and Christian. The things we share is one, yes we are all human, two, we see our respective religions and/or practice as spiritual and defines our lives, three we believe in cultural boundaries.

I am a Baha'i. But I see all religionists as one family. They have their different beautiful cultures and customs which I love and I share with them common spiritual values.

I don't interrupt Muslims in prayer. I no longer to chant with friends to the Gohonzon. I don't participate in Puja. I don't take the Eucharist. Do you actually pray Muslim prayers, chant (following all of the Buddha's teachings), and go to Puja and other Hindu festivals and worship as a Hindu?

I was born in a Christian country into a Catholic family so i have experience with Catholicism.

You see mystical experiences as from god. Buddhist do not have mystical experiences. It all comes from the mind not from god.

I have a mind just like a Buddhist does so I am capable of experiencing the same thoughts and meditations.

The only way you will understand what I say is to learn about their TLC not try to make their beliefs connect by ignoring them.

We accept that they have their beautiful diversity but not a copyright on their religion. All religions are for all humanity.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I have a mind just like a Buddhist does so I am capable of experiencing the same thoughts and meditations.

Simply not true. Just because you have a body does not mean you can be a world class athlete. Just because you have a mind doesn't mean you can grasp certain concepts. I will never get calculus, as an example. It's clear to me, and to Carlita that you're not grasping certain concepts.
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
It's a great strategy, and often works too. If you actually thought I was brilliant you're be listening, or understanding what I am saying. Nice try, lol.

I thought the way you corrected me was brilliant because you put it the way I should have. It was just an acknowledgement and I was grateful too.

You've already taught me many things and I'm trying to learn. At least it's sunk in you don't believe in Avatars and such or Holy Books.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I thought the way you corrected me was brilliant because you put it the way I should have. It was just an acknowledgement and I was grateful too.

You've already taught me many things and I'm trying to learn. At least it's sunk in you don't believe in Avatars and such or Holy Books.
I do believe in Holy Books, The Vedas are holy. Or are you saying they're not?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
That's our diversity but no religion exclusively owns or can be said to have trademarked truth. Truth is common to all religions and nobody owns it.

You are saying that the sun and rain that falls on your turf is exclusively yours and I am saying it is universal across humanity and shared by all. No one owns a copyright on their religion.​

I cannot say that enough.

Please read this.



I am a Baha'i. But I see all religionists as one family. They have their different beautiful cultures and customs which I love and I share with them common spiritual values.



I was born in a Christian country into a Catholic family so i have experience with Catholicism.



I have a mind just like a Buddhist does so I am capable of experiencing the same thoughts and meditations.


We accept that they have their beautiful diversity but not a copyright on their religion. All religions are for all humanity.

Do you understand Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, and Christian beliefs/truths are embedded in their traditions, language, and culture?

And because you identify as bahai and do not Practice as a Hindu, Buddhist, "or" Muslim, you are not sharing their common foundation of truths (with an s)?

Do you understand how TLC shapes peoples beliefs and thus mutitple foundations of truth?

The sun and the moon have distintive properties. They do differents. They are both a part of nature-outside but inside their truths are different. It must be different for the world to function. If everything acts like the sun, the earth would burn up. And so forth.

Diversity defines foundations of truth. If you accept diversity, you accept many truths. Since you do not, you dont not accept diversity but unity.
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Simply not true. Just because you have a body does not mean you can be a world class athlete. Just because you have a mind doesn't mean you can grasp certain concepts. I will never get calculus, as an example. It's clear to me, and to Carlitas that you're not grasping certain concepts.

Maybe I'm not grasping certain concepts or maybe I just understand them differently.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Maybe I'm not grasping certain concepts or maybe I just understand them differently.

Everyone has things they can't grasp. I will never grasp the need for a prophet, for example. It makes no sense to me personally. That and many other things I can't grasp make it so that I am a Hindu. I grasp the Hindu stuff.

My response was directed to your saying you could be Buddhist. Well, sorry, no. You can be Bahai. Clearly that is what makes sense to you. The Bahai faith overrides all previous faiths. It does not say, (as I understand it) that Bahais are also Christian, Hindu, pagan, atheist, etc. It just says that we're smarter than all those others combined. It's a superficial statement akin to saying Sydney is the best city in the world, simply because you live there. But if you've never lived in London or Montreal, how could you possibly know.

You've proven time and again that you don't understand Hinduism. Bahais claim they do, but they don't. Try saying 'Officer, I wasn't speeding' and see if he doesn't write you the ticket.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Maybe I'm not grasping certain concepts or maybe I just understand them differently.

You may start to understand them if you take interest in their traditions, language, and culture. Even more so, when taking interest do not separate their expressions with their truths.

You cant learn from religions if you dismiss how they express their faith.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Everyone has things they can't grasp. I will never grasp the need for a prophet, for example. It makes no sense to me personally. That and many other things I can't grasp make it so that I am a Hindu. I grasp the Hindu stuff.

My response was directed to your saying you could be Buddhist. Well, sorry, no. You can be Bahai. Clearly that is what makes sense to you. The Bahai faith overrides all previous faiths. It does not say, (as I understand it) that Bahais are also Christian, Hindu, pagan, atheist, etc. It just says that we're smarter than all those others combined. It's a superficial statement akin to saying Sydney is the best city in the world, simply because you live there. But if you've never lived in London or Montreal, how could you possibly know.

You've proven time and again that you don't understand Hinduism. Bahais claim they do, but they don't. Try saying 'Officer, I wasn't speeding' and see if he doesn't write you the ticket.

I was only speaking metaphorically. On a Hindu site I quoted to you they said that anyone who served the people and did good was a Hindu too but I understood they meant in spirit not actually.

Of course I am a Baha'i and not a Hindu.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
On one hand you say you can think for yourself, and then you throw your founder's quotes at me. This one just plain reeks of an egotistical man. Sounds like Muhammad Ali talking about being the greatest, and he was doing it for fun. It makes your founder sound like a fool enraptured with his own ego.

I've seen it in other teachers too, disappointingly in some Hindu Gurus. In Paul Brunton's famous book 'A Search in Secret India' he encounters a couple. In psychological terms this is called 'delusions of grandeur'.

But you said you consider the Vedas Holy. I would love some quotes from the Vedas. I consider it fine for a Divine Figure to speak in that manner but not a person. Krishna speaks the same way in the Bhagavad-Gita.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
But you said you consider the Vedas Holy. I would love some quotes from the Vedas. I consider it fine for a Divine Figure to speak in that manner but not a person. Krishna speaks the same way in the Bhagavad-Gita.

Lots of great Vedic quotes around. Google is your friend.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I was only speaking metaphorically.

That's an easy escape route. Say something, have someone say what you said is a contradiction, and then excuse your self by changing your mind and saying, "but I was only speaking metaphorically'. I'm not even convinced you understand what 'metaphorically' means in this context.

Personally, I don't think you can be Buddhist or Hindu, metaphorically or otherwise. It is merely the ego not wishing to let go, and not admitting you can't do stuff others clearly can.

For the record, this is what you said:

"I have a mind just like a Buddhist does so I am capable of experiencing the same thoughts and meditations."

Please explain to me how that is metaphoric.
 
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