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How are these Great Beings explained?

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I don't want to go in circles so I rather we discuss, ask, and answer each other's questions at our own timing (ha. not all at once, mind you) than skip over to another point without addressing the one we are on currently

Now that is a long answer. ;)

I will look at it tonight and address some points. It would be good to confirm what reliance we should put on what we are reading, this short post will stick to that train of thought.

What you have said following, is what I see does happen;

Interesting The Buddha adopted some of the teachings himself. In The Lotus Sutra, it says The Buddha said (by his disciple) that The Buddha changes his message to meet the times of the people.

This is also talked about in Prophecy, thus the need for the 5th Buddha. The Key to my understandings, is that Baha'ullah is also the Buddha. What you may not yet know is that I see all the Great Beings, as the Buddha.

This is why I offered that if we pick any sutra, we will find thoughts from other Great Beings that in the end will give the required balance of thought.

In this way we may be able to find what was originally from the Buddha and what has been added by man and his tradition.

I would like to add that anything that adds to personal growth in living a life of humble service to all of humanity, that supresses charity over excessive personal gain, is from the Source of all Good, to which the Buddha was part of. I can read these passages all day.

What we need to determine is what aspects have become more of man than of the source! :) That we still see the power of Change in the Name Buddha, we know that Buddha was a source.

The day calls me away!!!:D

May you have a good night, I think our time zones are opposite!

Regards Tony
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Haha. Yeah, I figure I keep going with it so I dont forget what I want to say. I dont have good memory and I think it would be much to write notes along side my geological and art history studies. ;)

Now that is a long answer. ;)

I will look at it tonight and address some points. It would be good to confirm what reliance we should put on what we are reading, this short post will stick to that train of thought.

What you have said following, is what I see does happen;



This is also talked about in Prophecy, thus the need for the 5th Buddha. The Key to my understandings, is that Baha'ullah is also the Buddha. What you may not yet know is that I see all the Great Beings, as the Buddha.

This is why I offered that if we pick any sutra, we will find thoughts from other Great Beings that in the end will give the required balance of thought.

In this way we may be able to find what was originally from the Buddha and what has been added by man and his tradition.

I would like to add that anything that adds to personal growth in living a life of humble service to all of humanity, that supresses charity over excessive personal gain, is from the Source of all Good, to which the Buddha was part of. I can read these passages all day.

What we need to determine is what aspects have become more of man than of the source! :) That we still see the power of Change in the Name Buddha, we know that Buddha was a source.

The day calls me away!!!:D

May you have a good night, I think our time zones are opposite!

Regards Tony
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I will look at it tonight and address some points. It would be good to confirm what reliance we should put on what we are reading, this short post will stick to that train of thought.

Take your time. Most of it is for reference. I think your peers may find the info interesting and for all of us educative.

This is also talked about in Prophecy, thus the need for the 5th Buddha. The Key to my understandings, is that Baha'ullah is also the Buddha. What you may not yet know is that I see all the Great Beings, as the Buddha.

5th buddha? You know how many buddhas they were before The Buddha, during, and after he existed! All the same message.

Bahaullah isnt a buddha. Buddhists follow The Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha. We look to The Dharma for knowledge and instruction. Most have teachers that help them as well as monastics. In many traditions it takes life times before even scratching the surface of enlightenment.

There is no god component involved.

buddhas sure. Shrugs. Buddhas? Those who got instruction from The Buddha and The Buddha's disciples themselves, no. He is a human being.

The Buddha lived before bahaullah was born.

This is why I offered that if we pick any sutra, we will find thoughts from other Great Beings that in the end will give the required balance of thought.

Which ones? We cant pick some and say the rest are altered.

In this way we may be able to find what was originally from the Buddha and what has been added by man and his tradition.

Why? If we are going to talk about the suttas, which, out of the 10,000 discources will you accept for conversation? I dont believe bahallauh nor his letters but I would never say they are changed somehow just because I disagree with them. I dont see faults in other peoples scriptures.

We differ in that accord unfortunately.

What we need to determine is what aspects have become more of man than of the source! :) That we still see the power of Change in the Name Buddha, we know that Buddha was a source.

Tony. The suttas are directly for man. The Buddha didnt like how hindu was going to god for enlightenment. He said it is literally from the mind. The mind (not Mind) of man.

Buddha is not the source. Try again, :p I gave you a clue.

May you have a good night, I think our time zones are opposite!

We are. Its 7:56 here so I assume its 1:58am there. Wow.

Have a good morning.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member

I know. You know how many Buddhas there are before, during, and after The Buddha's enlightenment?

What message will Maitreya bring that is different than his master's?

Found it!

"In Theravadin Buddhism, Buddhas are born as unenlightened humans, and are not rulers of any paradise or pure land. Maitreya's arising would be no different from the arising of Gautama Buddha, as he achieved full enlightenment as a human being and died, entering parinibbana."
Maitreya - Wikipedia (Different link than yours)
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Yes, most people want to remain in their own comfort zones and they are afraid of being led astray. A lot of that is unconscious. What comes across consciously is "I am right and you are wrong."

I think you are right that if people already have a religion or an idea about God that they are happy with, they will not be open to looking any further. I had no religion or ideas about God so I was able to see the Baha'i Faith clearly as soon as I encountered it, untarnished by any confirmation bias.

If people are in love with what they have, why would they be seeking anything else? I often wonder how many people just want the Truth about God, whatever that is. The criteria for a true seeker are pretty steep... :eek:

“O My brother! When a true seeker determineth to take the step of search in the path leading unto the knowledge of the Ancient of Days, he must, before all else, cleanse his heart, which is the seat of the revelation of the inner mysteries of God, from the obscuring dust of all acquired knowledge, and the allusions of the embodiments of satanic fancy. He must purge his breast, which is the sanctuary of the abiding love of the Beloved, of every defilement, and sanctify his soul from all that pertaineth to water and clay, from all shadowy and ephemeral attachments. He must so cleanse his heart that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline him to error, or that hate repel him away from the truth…..

That seeker must, at all times, put his trust in God, must renounce the peoples of the earth, must detach himself from the world of dust, and cleave unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt himself above any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of pride and vain-glory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence and refrain from idle talk.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 264-265

From: Tablet of the True Seeker

It’s very, very difficult for people nowadays. There are so many religions going around and so much confusion that if for instance you were sincerely seeking for truth where would you look for it?

All believers of all Faiths have been ‘protected’ from straying away from the truth by clauses in their own Holy Books. Verses like this below are what are meant to protect the flock and these verses do protect the believers but what happens when Christ returns? These verses then become a very severe test for every believer.

Colossians 2:8 NASBS

[8] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member

Is there anything positive about christians rather than saying where you feel they and Their bible are at fault?

We’re talking about their response to Christ’s return. We are only discussing reality here. The response is what it is.

The Bible is the Word of God we believe and as such is fault free.

Christians have done and do a lot for humanity there is no doubt about that.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
We’re talking about their response to Christ’s return. We are only discussing reality here. The response is what it is.

The Bible is the Word of God we believe and as such is fault free.

Christians have done and do a lot for humanity there is no doubt about that.

Its fault free as written. The trinity is in the bible. The bible say jesus is the only savior. There is no on else worthy of worship than Jesus. Its The Church's scriptures (apostles). You wouldnt know what's inspired without the church. Jews don't use the NT and Jesus wrote nothing.

The fault for everyone's political problems is not scriptural. It does not need to be changed to promote unity with bahaullah involved. Take it as is. No fault, no arguement. Find fault you adding to the problem not solving it?.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It’s very, very difficult for people nowadays. There are so many religions going around and so much confusion that if for instance you were sincerely seeking for truth where would you look for it?

All believers of all Faiths have been ‘protected’ from straying away from the truth by clauses in their own Holy Books. Verses like this below are what are meant to protect the flock and these verses do protect the believers but what happens when Christ returns? These verses then become a very severe test for every believer.

Colossians 2:8 NASBS

[8] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Yes, I see your point, if people are seeking how would they know which religion is valid? I have certainly encountered this sentiment from people on forums. For those few "Seekers of Truth" we are just one more religion with promises, until we distinguish ourselves... :D

Then there are the Christians and Jews who are mired in religious tradition... I do not know what to say about them, or what to do, except keep talking, which is what I do. ;)
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Its fault free as written. The trinity is in the bible. The bible say jesus is the only savior. There is no on else worthy of worship than Jesus. Its The Church's scriptures (apostles). You wouldnt know what's inspired without the church. Jews don't use the NT and Jesus wrote nothing.

The fault for everyone's political problems is not scriptural. It does not need to be changed to promote unity with bahaullah involved. Take it as is. No fault, no arguement. Find fault you adding to the problem not solving it?.

Since the Bible God has sent three Revelations each with a Holy Book of its own. The Quran, the Bayan and the Most Holy Book. Recent Revelations went into great detail about the meanings of the Bible. Each one explains that the trinity is a man made concept. The Manifestations after Christ which were all foretold in the Bible confirm what is the correct interpretation.

Jesus returning still means He is saviour only with a new name He Himself mentioned this in the Book of Revelation.

Are you aware that in the Book of Revelation Jesus says that He will have a new name when He returns? So when Jesus returns, His name wont be Jesus Christ. You should read these verses for yourself to verify this is exactly what Jesus has told His followers.

Revelation from God did not cease with Christ and the Bible. The Bible itself foretells others to come Who will renew the truth.

These verses are clearly mentioned in the Bible. All Christians are expected to accept Christ when He returns. It’s 2,000 years now.

The easy thing is to cling to tradition and one’s comfort zone but sooner or later Christ as promised must return. We are saying that day has come and gone already.

Christians can take it or leave it. Ultimately it’s them that stand to lose or gain. The choice is theirs.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Yes, I see your point, if people are seeking how would they know which religion is valid? I have certainly encountered this sentiment from people on forums. For those few "Seekers of Truth" we are just one more religion with promises, until we distinguish ourselves... :D

Then there are the Christians and Jews who are mired in religious tradition... I do not know what to say about them, or what to do, except keep talking, which is what I do. ;)

The past shows that in the beginning there are only a tiny handful of followers who eventually established the truth over the entire planet winning both high and low, Kings and queens to their Cause. This time is still yet to come for us but if you look back to our beginning and now, the teachings of Baha’u’llah have been adopted universally by billions all over the world.

Although the world is as yet unaware of their source, they have become the cutting edge of ideas and principles the world’s peoples crave for and want to move towards.

It’s just a matter of time before humanity acknowledges their Source and embraces the Cause.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Buddha not only spoke of God but said that He came from the world of God.

"Thus," replied the Buddha, the Tathagata knows the straight path that leads to a union with Brahma. He knows it as one who has entered the world of Brahma and has been born in it. There can be no doubt in the Tathagata." (Gospel of Buddha)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Since the Bible God has sent three Revelations each with a Holy Book of its own. The Quran, the Bayan and the Most Holy Book. Recent Revelations went into great detail about the meanings of the Bible. Each one explains that the trinity is a man made concept. The Manifestations after Christ which were all foretold in the Bible confirm what is the correct interpretation.

Jesus returning still means He is saviour only with a new name He Himself mentioned this in the Book of Revelation.

Are you aware that in the Book of Revelation Jesus says that He will have a new name when He returns? So when Jesus returns, His name wont be Jesus Christ. You should read these verses for yourself to verify this is exactly what Jesus has told His followers.

Revelation from God did not cease with Christ and the Bible. The Bible itself foretells others to come Who will renew the truth.

These verses are clearly mentioned in the Bible. All Christians are expected to accept Christ when He returns. It’s 2,000 years now.

The easy thing is to cling to tradition and one’s comfort zone but sooner or later Christ as promised must return. We are saying that day has come and gone already.

Christians can take it or leave it. Ultimately it’s them that stand to lose or gain. The choice is theirs.

Im focused on the bible being at fault and still calling it christianity. Man Is the church. Who wrote the Nt outside the apostles?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Since the Bible God has sent three Revelations each with a Holy Book of its own. The Quran, the Bayan and the Most Holy Book. Recent Revelations went into great detail about the meanings of the Bible. Each one explains that the trinity is a man made concept. The Manifestations after Christ which were all fo

This isnt christian belief. Itd weird you use the bible but then have nonchristian teachings in it.

Jesus returning still means He is saviour only with a new name He Himself mentioned this in the Book of Revelation.

His new name isnt behaullah. I think it said jesus will get a glorious body like christians

Are you aware that in the Book of Revelation Jesus says that He will have a new name when He returns? So when Jesus returns, His name wont be Jesus Christ. You sh

No. I said you find fault in a book without fault. Using your criteria to translate a book whose criteria comes from the church. The apostles.

Are you aware that in the Book of Revelation Jesus says that He will have a new name when He returns? So when Jesus returns, His name wont be Jesus Christ. You should read these verses for yourself to verify this is exactly what Jesus has told His followers.

Im aware that bahaullah doesnt fill that role.

Revelation from God did not cease with Christ and the Bible. The Bible itself foretells others to come Who will renew the truth.
Where? There was only one sacrifice. Does it say literally or conceptually?

These verses are clearly mentioned in the Bible. All Christians are expected to accept Christ when He returns. It’s 2,000 years now.

2,000? Its been 2,014yrs so far I looked up since his death.

The easy thing is to cling to tradition and one’s comfort zone but sooner or later Christ as promised must return. We are saying that day has come and gone already.

Hold on to your traditions

The bible came fo man.

Christians can take it or leave it. Ultimately it’s them that stand to lose or gain. The choice is theirs.

Thid thinking brings No peace
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
This isnt christian belief. Itd weird you use the bible but then have nonchristian teachings in it.



His new name isnt behaullah. I think it said jesus will get a glorious body like christians



No. I said you find fault in a book without fault. Using your criteria to translate a book whose criteria comes from the church. The apostles.



Im aware that bahaullah doesnt fill that role.


Where? There was only one sacrifice. Does it say literally or conceptually?



2,000? Its been 2,014yrs so far I looked up since his death.



Hold on to your traditions

The bible came fo man.



Thid thinking brings No peace

You’re still dodging the issue which is Jesus said He would come with a new name. It’s there in black and white and is a part of the Bible. You’re not giving it any consideration at all. Christ said it for a reason. That when He comes His followers won’t be called Christians.

We can’t say it is not Baha’u’llah.

What is ‘true Christianity’ as there is not one united Christian religion? There are no Christian teachings I believe in that are not in the Bible but there are heaps of things Christians believe in that aren’t in the Bible.

The Bible is interpreted by Christian leaders to try and assert they they are superior to other religions. Baha’u’llah interprets it to say all religions are from God and equal with none being superior to another.

This exclusivity and superiority is what has led to wars and conflicts. The Bible is not superior to the Quran or any other Holy Book it’s just that people’s egos want to be exalted so they interpret superiority into every passage wherever possible.

If I was at peace with myself and others I would have no need to feel superior. People who clamor for superiority and the exclusivity position are only appeasing/worshipping their own egos and not people of peace or goodwill.

This insecurity of Christians that feel they must interpret everything so as to say they are superior is a sickness that divides the world, has caused endless bloodshed and hatred and hostility. The same with Islam.

No religion or Prophet or Holy Book is superior to any other.

The reason people can’t accept the truth in all Faiths is because of inner insecurity. There is no harm in accepting the truth of Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna or Baha’u’llah yet although They all teach truth, people take sides instead of wanting to unite.

That tells us that it’s peoples egos that are at work. People don’t want to accept truth, they want to feel special and unique and superior to others. Again the ego.

It’s ego and nothing else that stops us from accepting each other’s religion for it is the ego which always wants to argue and say that the truth only exists in one religion, of course the religion that person chooses.

Truth is one in all religions and people don’t want to accept that and unite because that sort of concept doesn’t feed the ego which longs to feel superior to others.

You look at the closed mindedness. Buddhists refuse to accept even the possibility Buddha taught about God. Yet there are statements by Buddha to the contrary. Why the closed mindedness? Because then they can feel they are superior to others especially Abrahamic religions. The ego hates humility and bowing down before an invisible God means one must be very humble. Easy to bow before a statue one can see but it requires true humility to form so before an unknowable, invisible God.

With Christians it’s Christ is the only Prophet to physically rise from the dead. Again so they can feel superior and above the rest. Where is open mindedness or even the acceptance of science that maybe it wasn’t a physical ressurection? Just like the world is flat, you can’t tell them physical bodies don’t come alive. So they say they are superior because no other religions Prophet physically rose from the dead. The sorry and sad state of Christians that they cling to such outlandish superstitions against scuentufic face just to feel superior over others. Where is unity and love? They are not interested. Only in feeling superior to others. That’s not true religion yet Christians deny the truth in all religions except their own.

Islam and Muhammad being the last Prophet is another lie. Yet nowhere in the Quran does it ever state that Muhammad is the last Prophet forever. Yet they add the forever. meaning to it do they can claim they are the only truth and all others infidels. Muhammad could have been the last Prophet of the Adamic Cycle or the last Orophet before the Day of Ressurection so why do they cling to the last Prophet forever idea? Because it aooeases the egos desire for superiority and exclusiveness. Where is unity and love and acknowledgement of the truth in all Faiths. Ego comes first not unity.

People object and argue this is that religion is wrong and we are right but which of them teaches all religions are true and tries to bring them all together?

Claims of exclusivity and superiority are baseless and pure nonsense and any interpretations which divide us are false and man made.

All these religions in their current form as opposed to their original form, masquerade as being the sole truth yet they all condemn each other and refuse to acknowledge the truth in each religion.

Just what kind of religion exists today where there is no tolerance, no compromise, no unity?

There is truth in all religions. All religions come from the same source. It was never ever intended that each religion establish its own fiefdom and oppose the others, fight wars and kill one another get that’s what’s happened. Refer to history.

This is a result of the ego not truth. It’s just so sad that all we are trying to do is say ‘our truth is superior and only ours is truth’.

To appease the egotistical pursuit of superiority world peace and world unity have been sacrificed. If we dropped our superiority stance there could be peace tomorrow. But the ego stands in our way.

When are we going to stop following our egos and accept all religions not just our own for the good of humanity and once and for all establish peace and unity?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Im focused on the bible being at fault and still calling it christianity. Man Is the church. Who wrote the Nt outside the apostles?

We believe the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit which is independent of the church and comes direct from God and it is the Holy Spirit which reveals the truth to all the Manifestations so none is in need of the church to know the truth.

The Bible has no faults. We believe it is the inspired Word of God. But the real custodian of the Bible is God not the church.

The church is only a servant but the true destiny of God’s Word has always directed by God alone and in His Hands.

You can see how God on the one hand protects the Bible but on the other how God does not come to the aid of or protect the church from its child sexual abuses. God on the contrary has allowed it to be exposed and the church and priests and bishops to be sued, imprisoned and disgraced publicly.

God has never given the church a blank cheque to act on His behalf and Catholics are finding that out now that God doesn’t play favourites, God protects who He wants and witholds His Protection from whoever He wishes.

Again, just because the Bible was compiled by the church doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on truth. God afterwards sent Muhammad and the Quran to correct misconceptions of the church.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Because the knowledge of these Great Beings all comes from the same Source, often a subsequent Revelation will correct what the followers of the previous Revelation have misunderstood.

Here is one example where God, through the Quran, addresses the concept of the trinity and explains God is one not three.

5:73:Most certainly, they have disbelieved who say, ‘Allâh is the third of the three.’ But in fact there is no other, cannot be and will never be one worthy of worship except One God.

If one sees all religion as really one religion evolving throughout the ages then you can see how awesome it is that God continually updates, renews and clarifies His Word and it’s true meanings regularly throughout history o try and help those who have misunderstood.

We are never alone. God continually sends us guidance. So we can see that not long after the church had made errors regarding the concept of God and the Holy Spirit and the Divinity of Christ, which were controversial topics resulting in disunity, the Quran then came along clarifying the truth.

For those who rejected the Quran, they remain sunk in superstition as God explained that God is one not three in the Quran but Christians refused to humble themselves before Muhammad even though He was foretold in the Bible so to this day remain deprived of His glorious guidance.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It’s just a matter of time before humanity acknowledges their Source and embraces the Cause.
“The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 118-119
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I know. You know how many Buddhas there are before, during, and after The Buddha's enlightenment?

What message will Maitreya bring that is different than his master's?

Found it!

"In Theravadin Buddhism, Buddhas are born as unenlightened humans, and are not rulers of any paradise or pure land. Maitreya's arising would be no different from the arising of Gautama Buddha, as he achieved full enlightenment as a human being and died, entering parinibbana."
Maitreya - Wikipedia (Different link than yours)

Carlita. After looking at many aspects of this subject, I decided not to go to deep into this. Mainly because of the question you asked and current time restraints;

You asked, "What message will Maitreya bring that is different than his master's?

Baha'u'llah has brought that Message. The Buddha and Baha'u'llah are One they are not masters of each other or any other Great Being.

I see so much written that was most likely not from the Buddha, so I feel it is not just and appropriate for me to keep bringing this material up.

What I will post is thoughts that allow for the eternal to be considered, which would find support in the writings of all the Great Beings;

"...When one has comprehended the origin and destruction of the elements of the body, one finds happiness and joy which belong to those who know the eternal...." (Buddhist : Dhammapada - Sayings of the Buddha 2 (tr. J. Richards))

"....The one I call holy speaks true words that are useful and not harsh so that no one is offended. The one I call holy does not take anything in the world that is not given one, be it long or short, small or large, good or bad. The one I call holy has no desires for this world or the next, is free from desires and is independent. The one I call holy has no longings, in knowledge is free from doubt, and has reached the depth of the eternal. The one I call holy here has passed beyond the attachments of good and bad, is free from sorrow, free from desire, free from impurity...." (Buddhist : Dhammapada - Sayings of the Buddha 2 (tr. J. Richards))


Those two quotes are compatible with all the Great Beings and support the Eternal Spiritual Journey in the many worlds of God over the limited Material existence on this earth.

Regards Tony
 
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