YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Unlike the writer of the OP who is just blowing smoke out of their hind-quarters.
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How are they not defaming Jesus?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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Who knows if a historical Jesus even existed. There is certainly very little consensus on what he would be like, do or say.
I am not sure that it is even possible to defame a character that may easily be fully fictional.
I am not sure that it is even possible to defame a character that may easily be fully fictional.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Oh, but of course it is. Take what happened recently with Marvel and Captain America. It was revealed in a massive story arc plot-twist that the (fictional) hero of the American spirit, a role model to many people and a symbol of just patriotism was a Hydra (Nazi) agent all along. It was huge, and outraging, and threw everything people knew and thought right out the window. People were genuinely angered by this, that it would even be considered and written.
I don't know the fate of that story arc, but I know that it was absolutely rejected by a lot of people. Being a purely fictional character, this is and was easy to do. But the character of Captain America was, if not for a moment, defamed and tarnished. And fictional or not, that defamation did affect quite a few people on various levels.
But I've got no clue what soviet is on about.
CogentPhilosopher
Philosophy Student
I honestly don't know if a single historical figure inspired the figures of Jesus and Isa. The oldest known name for that figure is Yeshua.
It is a standard if not always lampshaded part of Islaamic doctrine that Jesus necessarily did exist and was a genuine prophet with a message from God.
At the same time, the Qur'an insists also that the Christian claims that Jesus was somehow God or God's son are entirely misguided. Similarly, it insists that the idea that God would allow his dear prophet Jesus to be crucified is nonsense.
If it sounds like a confused, even contradictory stance towards Christian beliefs, then you are not alone.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
More to the point, Luis, is why would non-Muslims give a rat's hindquarters about what a so-called "prophet" said almost 600 years after the events took place? I can't imagine that Muhammad's stance on Jesus won him many early Christian supporters.
sovietchild,
You are absolutely right, but there is more to this than what you mentioned. Every time a person calls himself a Christian and then does things that God condemns, he is causing people to blaspheme the name of God, Romans 2:23,24. You cannot do that with impunity!!!
Jedster
Flying through space
The Romans used crosses long before the time of Jesus.
People who came to Jerusalem on holiday may have bought ornaments in the shape of crosses just as I am sure one can buy a necklace with a guillotine in France.
Jesus could have been a seller of said ornaments. I mean in those days, as in these days, it's a way to make a living.
McBell
Unbound
valid point.
the thing is, who has it right?
Imagine the look on everyone's face if Jesus came back and said that Westboro Baptist Church got it right and everyone else was just plain flat out wrong?
Lorgar-Aurelian
Active Member
Maybe Jesus deserves to get defamed. Just throwing that out there.
McBell
Unbound
define "defamed"
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Paint some buddy who they are not. I wonder if Jews were the ones who defamed him in the first place.
The Romans used crosses long before the time of Jesus.
People who came to Jerusalem on holiday may have bought ornaments in the shape of crosses just as I am sure one can buy a necklace with a guillotine in France.
Jesus could have been a seller of said ornaments. I mean in those days, as in these days, it's a way to make a living.
This can serve as defamation. There is no records of Jesus making a profit from selling crosses in the market places.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Hey! I rather liked that movie. But then again, I always set the bar really low when I'm watching a comic book made into a "movie". Especially from DC....
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Hey! I rather liked that movie. But then again, I always set the bar really low when I'm watching a comic book made into a "movie". Especially from DC....
This is not what this topic is all about, lets concentrate on the real issue.
Ah, the ever-popular recourse to suspecting Jewish People for no good reason. Muslims seem to love it. I wonder why.
Mind you, the Gospels do defame the Jewish People in, for instance, Matthew 28:15.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
This just in, Christians the world over think that Jesus is their buddy, when in reality he's just their guy.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Why did they chose to slay Jesus? Maybe, because he got defamed. Defamation always been around.
Are you always so casual about this rather ironic act of accusing other of being defamers?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
No, but I am however currently reading a book called "narcissist you know" it talks about bullies who spread rumors about their target.
So, why do you think they chose to slay Jesus?
I don't believe there was ever a historical Jesus as such. Everything in the Gospels and early epistles feels like alegory to me.