How are we doing post-Brexit?

[ChristineM]

How could brexit affect child poverty isn’t brexit child poverty,did brexit cause child poverty in France too?.

I provided a google load of links. France isn't the subject however if you want. UK povert increased to 30% if all children living in poverty following brexit, only made worse by the pandemic

 

[England my lionheart]

I provided a google load of links. France isn't the subject however if you want. UK povert increased to 30% if all children living in poverty following brexit, only made worse by the pandemic

France is a good solid example that child poverty isn’t the fault of brexit though,I would guess it’s a similar story all over Europe,the links seem a bit desperate and something for remainers to clutch onto,for what reason who knows,it’s a dead horse move on which is what I’m going to do.

 

[ChristineM]

Brexit was right and also cool because the British people showed how much we wanted out in the general election,you can try to blame anything on brexit but I think the quote I gave by unicef tells us it didn’t cause child poverty.

I am not blaming, i am stating fact.

Correct didn't cause child poverty, but certainly increased it

 

[ChristineM]

France is a good solid example that child poverty isn’t the fault of brexit though,I would guess it’s a similar story all over Europe,the links seem a bit desperate and something for remainers to clutch onto,for what reason who knows,it’s a dead horse move on which is what I’m going to do.

So choose to ignore the dramatic increase in child poverty in britain since brexit

 

[England my lionheart]

I am not blaming, i am stating fact.

Correct didn't cause child poverty, but certainly increased it

Sobrexit in France Germany Spain and Italy

I am not blaming, i am stating fact.

Correct didn't cause child poverty, but certainly increased it

It’s a fact that child poverty is no better in the eu and in many countries much worse,if being in the eu hasn’t helped them in any significant way why would it make a difference to the uk leaving?,really it’s a sad world wide trend but some people just want to blame brexit.

 

[ChristineM]

Sobrexit in France Germany Spain and Italy


It’s a fact that child poverty is no better in the eu and in many countries much worse,if being in the eu hasn’t helped them in any significant way why would it make a difference to the uk leaving?,really it’s a sad world wide trend but some people just want to blame brexit.

i have provided a google full of links, i was particularly interested in the Joseph Roundtree foundation take.

 

[England my lionheart]

i have provided a google full of links, i was particularly interested in the Joseph Roundtree foundation take.

Thanks for the links but it doesn’t change anything.

 

[ChristineM]

Thanks for the links but it doesn’t change anything.

Well it doesn't change your opinion.

 

[Augustus]

Of course.
My experience of living in a working class area for nigh on 60 years is that the most terrifying thing you could do to a lot of the local indigenous population would be to offer them a job. And they are racist - before the kippers came along the BNP were popular enough to get elected as councillors. My partner deals with them in her work and I've spoken with them whilst out canvassing. They don't want the foreigners to "go home" so they can have their jobs back, they just want them to "go home."

And what % of those that voted for Brexit fo you think that applies to (especially given those who genuinely refuse to work tend not to be massive voters)?

How much do you think the Brexit vote was boosted by years of telling entire communities the only reason they could disagree with Remain was that they are stupid, lazy racists who can't think for themselves and have been fooled by Right Wing Media?

Remain voters might well have done more to help Brexit than the leave campaign did.

 

[Secret Chief]

And what % of those that voted for Brexit do you think that applies to (especially given those who genuinely refuse to work tend not to be massive voters)?

I am not going to put a number to it. I'm simply saying where I live is a place that had significant support for an overtly racist party and voted overwhelmingly for brexit. I was describing my perception of where i live. They do tend not to be massive voters but the referendum had a higher than normal turnout.

How much do you think the Brexit vote was boosted by years of telling entire communities the only reason they could disagree with Remain was that they are stupid, lazy racists who can't think for themselves and have been fooled by Right Wing Media?

I don't know. Imo they didn't need the media to tell them to do something that would get rid of the foreigners. In the aftermath of the result there was a national spike in racist abuse and incidents. Essentially the message was "We won, so **** off home" (as per the phone video filmed on a tram in Manchester).

 

[ChristineM]

I am not going to put a number to it. I'm simply saying where I live is a place that had significant support for an overtly racist party and voted overwhelmingly for brexit. I was describing my perception of where i live. They do tend not to be massive voters but the referendum had a higher than normal turnout.



I don't know. Imo they didn't need the media to tell them to do something that would get rid of the foreigners. In the aftermath of the result there was a national spike in racist abuse and incidents. Essentially the message was "We won, so **** off home" (as per the phone video filmed on a tram in Manchester).

I used to be proud of the multiracial attitude in my country. I spent a lot of time in Preston with 12% Asian population. And Manchester, with its black and Chinese populations.

It's sad to see.

 

[Secret Chief]

I used to be proud of the multiracial attitude in my country. I spent a lot of time in Preston with 12% Asian population. And Manchester, with its black and Chinese populations.

It's sad to see.

It is. It "legitimised" racist attitudes overnight. "We can say what we want to now."

 

[Flankerl]

Hahaha Cornwall voted for Brexit and they were told by the God Fearing Tories that they'd get the same amount of subsidies as they got from the EU.
That would be 100m.

How much will they get?
At most 3m.

Hahahahaha serves them right.

 

[Secret Chief]

Hahaha Cornwall voted for Brexit and they were told by the God Fearing Tories that they'd get the same amount of subsidies as they got from the EU.
That would be 100m.

How much will they get?
At most 3m.

Hahahahaha serves them right.

But that's balanced out by getting democracy back. Apparently.

 

[Augustus]

I don't know. Imo they didn't need the media to tell them to do something that would get rid of the foreigners. In the aftermath of the result there was a national spike in racist abuse and incidents. Essentially the message was "We won, so **** off home" (as per the phone video filmed on a tram in Manchester).

"They"? There were 17m people who voted leave for all kinds of different reasons.

 

[Secret Chief]

"They"? There were 17m people who voted leave for all kinds of different reasons.

Indeed they did. And the referendum clearly moved the Overton window wider...and to the right. I'm not saying all those who voted brexit are racists. But it would be an obvious thought that racists that voted would have voted to leave the EU.

 

[ChristineM]

It is. It "legitimised" racist attitudes overnight. "We can say what we want to now."

Personal experience of that. The kids are mixed race, just after the referendum i took them to see their dad in Lancaster. They were verbally abused several times and i was spit on once.

The kids have never been back, they are afraid to vist the country of their birth

 

[Secret Chief]

Personal experience of that. The kids are mixed race, just after the referendum i took them to see their dad in Lancaster. They were verbally abused several times and i was spit on once.

The kids have never been back, they are afraid to vist the country of their birth

That is, of course, appalling.

 

[Augustus]

Indeed they did. And the referendum clearly moved the Overton window wider...and to the right.

10% of MEPs, who have the ability to influence EU law, are part of a far-right bloc of actual racist parties like the French National front. Why doesn't that 'move the Overton window' and legitimise racism?

From Hungry to Poland to Austria and even 'enlightened' France actual far-right parties do much better than they do in Britain and have been in power or very close to power.

Maybe those opposed to far-right politics should be glad to be free of their pernicious influence.

MEPs create biggest far-right group in European parliament

But it would be an obvious thought that racists that voted would have voted to leave the EU.

So?

It's an obvious thought that most communists vote Labour but that doesn't mean a centre-left voter needs to take responsibility for the crimes of Stalin.

People are responsible for their own views, not for the worst possible examples of those who share a single belief of theirs.

 

[Secret Chief]

People are responsible for their own views, not for the worst possible examples of those who share a single belief of theirs.

What, so racism isn't a "worst possible example" then, do you mean?