Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
And yet we see people predominantly advocating the former rather than the latter.
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How are we doing post-Brexit?
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Secret Chief
Very strong language
"Retail giant Marks & Spencer has said it will close 11 of its stores in France due to fresh and chilled food supply issues following Brexit."
- Sky News.
Possible Reasons:
1. Nothing to do with brexit.
2. Who cares.
- Sky News.
Possible Reasons:
1. Nothing to do with brexit.
2. Who cares.
This British guy...at 14:50
The Britons feel like a sense of liberation, after Brexit.
The Britons feel like a sense of liberation, after Brexit.
Altfish
Veteran Member
No we don't. Parts of middle England may feel that way but the rest of the country is anything but happy.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
The UK doesn't have enough trade deals in place to meet demand for gas. This is just down to higher prices, nothing to do with brexit.
It appears that the shortage of truck drivers is not only impacting food supply but also fuel... Garages are running out of petrol/diesel and so are having to close.
Brexit does it again
Psst, ive just ordered 3000 litres of fuel oil for the heating, anyone want to buy any?
Brexit does it again
Psst, ive just ordered 3000 litres of fuel oil for the heating, anyone want to buy any?
Secret Chief
Very strong language
It's called "Prospering Mightily" according to the Bull*******-in-Chief. Food shortages, fuel shortages, HGV driver shortages. Nope, nothing to do with brexit, it's all just a massive coincidence. The latest idea is to invite all those EU drivers we told to " **** off" to come back and bail us out. Pretty please? We were only pretending to be racist *****.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Who knows, maybe after having been liberated from gas and food, we may finally see Britons liberate themselves from their dysfunctional economic system and the regime that presides over it.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
No. The majority has pretty consistently considered it was a bad idea with hindsight: Brexit opinion poll 2021 | Statista
Secret Chief
Very strong language
I can only conclude that you're smoking dope.
I have always heard of overproduction crisis, here in my country. Food overproduction.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Is your country the UK?
Italy.
We are an exporting country...
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Well, I was talking about the UK.
Most Italians envy the UK for exiting the EU.
Augustus
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Might be of interest.
If pro-EU commentariat had spent more time and effort on an honest attempt to understand people and discussing things like this rather than "They are all stupid racistz fooled by right wing meeja" I doubt Brexit would have happened.
Michel Barnier: why is the EU’s former Brexit chief negotiator sounding like a Eurosceptic?
Michel Barnier: why is the EU’s former Brexit chief negotiator sounding like a Eurosceptic?
“The first chapter of my book is entitled ‘A warning’,” says Barnier, holding up an elegant yellow-jacketed French edition. “People in the bubble of Brussels think they are always right,” he says. “They don’t want to listen. They don’t want to change anything. This is precisely the way to provoke more Brexits elsewhere in Europe. I’m not a federalist. I’ve never been a federalist. I’m a Gaullist and I’m still on the same track – a patriot and a European. And I’m a European in addition to being a patriot and not instead of being a patriot. As the former Brexit negotiator and as a French politician I will draw the lessons of Brexit, OK?”
If Barnier sounds testy, it may be because he has endured a difficult month. At a hustings in the southern city of Nimes, he expounded on what the lessons of Brexit might be, delivering a series of proposals that were greeted with disbelief by former colleagues in Brussels. The restoration of sovereign powers to the French state was the theme. In certain areas, he said, France should no longer be subject to the rulings of the European court of justice or the European court of human rights. French influence in Europe needed to be reasserted, in the face of an unacceptable level of German domination. Perhaps most strikingly, he would hold a referendum on migration policy and aim to introduce a moratorium on all immigration, including family reunions, from outside the EU. A “constitutional shield” would be put in place to allow France to develop its own non-EU immigration policy without interference from the European courts. It all sounded, well, pretty Eurosceptic...
“I don’t know why people are surprised by what I say, because you can look at each and everyone of my declarations over the past four or five years. From the very beginning I spoke about the consequences of Brexit. I spoke in front of the economic and social affairs committee in Brussels and I’m very sorry that some people in Brussels chose not to listen. There is a kind of arrogance there. We have to respect people and listen to them.”..
Britain’s departure from the European Union, he says, “was a lose-lose game with no added value for the United Kingdom or the EU. Obviously we regretted it.”
Compounding that historic error with a “Frexit” would therefore be out of the question. But the leave-vote was not just about looking back. Barnier writes in a diary entry on Valentine’s Day in 2018 that Brexit also came about because of a popular sentiment that a global, liberal, open economy was not delivering prosperity and opportunities for large swathes of the population. “British citizens… voted [in the referendum] thinking they were voting against globalisation, against a Europe that did not protect them enough, against a Europe that had deregulated and de-industrialised. The same reasons that so many French voters in Marseille and Picardy vote for Jean-Luc Mélenchon [the leader of the hard left France Unbowed party] and Marine Le Pen. We must pay attention to this.”
There is, he agrees, a clear parallel between the disillusionment and discontent among the red wall voters who elected Boris Johnson to “get Brexit done”, and the gilets jaunes movement in France, which launched a nationwide rebellion against a fuel tax rise that morphed into a broader revolt against elites and the metropolitan centres of power. Brexit, in this sense, was a disastrously wrong answer to a legitimate set of questions.
“Many regions in the UK, in France and Belgium and elsewhere have a sense of being abandoned by power; deprived of public services, of industry, of a future. This is what I call a ‘popular’ sentiment, which is not the same thing as populism. Populist politicians are using it for their own purposes, particularly in relation to immigration, but we have to understand it and respond and offer solutions at different levels – at the European, national and regional level.”
If pro-EU commentariat had spent more time and effort on an honest attempt to understand people and discussing things like this rather than "They are all stupid racistz fooled by right wing meeja" I doubt Brexit would have happened.
Michel Barnier: why is the EU’s former Brexit chief negotiator sounding like a Eurosceptic?
Michel Barnier: why is the EU’s former Brexit chief negotiator sounding like a Eurosceptic?
“The first chapter of my book is entitled ‘A warning’,” says Barnier, holding up an elegant yellow-jacketed French edition. “People in the bubble of Brussels think they are always right,” he says. “They don’t want to listen. They don’t want to change anything. This is precisely the way to provoke more Brexits elsewhere in Europe. I’m not a federalist. I’ve never been a federalist. I’m a Gaullist and I’m still on the same track – a patriot and a European. And I’m a European in addition to being a patriot and not instead of being a patriot. As the former Brexit negotiator and as a French politician I will draw the lessons of Brexit, OK?”
If Barnier sounds testy, it may be because he has endured a difficult month. At a hustings in the southern city of Nimes, he expounded on what the lessons of Brexit might be, delivering a series of proposals that were greeted with disbelief by former colleagues in Brussels. The restoration of sovereign powers to the French state was the theme. In certain areas, he said, France should no longer be subject to the rulings of the European court of justice or the European court of human rights. French influence in Europe needed to be reasserted, in the face of an unacceptable level of German domination. Perhaps most strikingly, he would hold a referendum on migration policy and aim to introduce a moratorium on all immigration, including family reunions, from outside the EU. A “constitutional shield” would be put in place to allow France to develop its own non-EU immigration policy without interference from the European courts. It all sounded, well, pretty Eurosceptic...
“I don’t know why people are surprised by what I say, because you can look at each and everyone of my declarations over the past four or five years. From the very beginning I spoke about the consequences of Brexit. I spoke in front of the economic and social affairs committee in Brussels and I’m very sorry that some people in Brussels chose not to listen. There is a kind of arrogance there. We have to respect people and listen to them.”..
Britain’s departure from the European Union, he says, “was a lose-lose game with no added value for the United Kingdom or the EU. Obviously we regretted it.”
Compounding that historic error with a “Frexit” would therefore be out of the question. But the leave-vote was not just about looking back. Barnier writes in a diary entry on Valentine’s Day in 2018 that Brexit also came about because of a popular sentiment that a global, liberal, open economy was not delivering prosperity and opportunities for large swathes of the population. “British citizens… voted [in the referendum] thinking they were voting against globalisation, against a Europe that did not protect them enough, against a Europe that had deregulated and de-industrialised. The same reasons that so many French voters in Marseille and Picardy vote for Jean-Luc Mélenchon [the leader of the hard left France Unbowed party] and Marine Le Pen. We must pay attention to this.”
There is, he agrees, a clear parallel between the disillusionment and discontent among the red wall voters who elected Boris Johnson to “get Brexit done”, and the gilets jaunes movement in France, which launched a nationwide rebellion against a fuel tax rise that morphed into a broader revolt against elites and the metropolitan centres of power. Brexit, in this sense, was a disastrously wrong answer to a legitimate set of questions.
“Many regions in the UK, in France and Belgium and elsewhere have a sense of being abandoned by power; deprived of public services, of industry, of a future. This is what I call a ‘popular’ sentiment, which is not the same thing as populism. Populist politicians are using it for their own purposes, particularly in relation to immigration, but we have to understand it and respond and offer solutions at different levels – at the European, national and regional level.”
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Really? The Italians I talked to actually liked travelling to other countries and working there without fear of getting deported.Most Italians envy the UK for exiting the EU.
Now, granted, my sample is arguably skewed towards Italians that actually work in other countries, but it still suggests that your "majority" may well just be the people in your general social circle that happen to agree with you (and the politicians that you vote for because they happen to agree with you).
Perception is funny like that.
Actually the problem is the Eurozone. Most do want to quit the Eurozone.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
And get back to the Lira, a currency that was widely derided for its massive inflation? Why?
Are you friends doing any kind of business in the Eurozone outside Italy? One of my cousins runs a company that imports Italian food, and I cannot imagine him preferring to juggle his business in two currencies!