How Are Your Views More Correct Than Another's?

[SalixIncendium]

I'm pretty sure my views on mathematics are more correct than most other people's views. I'm pretty sure that my understanding of what modern physics claims is more correct than most other people's.

I think that there is such a thing as expertise and that means your ideas are more likely to be correct about that area of expertise than those of other people.

Of cot says nothing at all about areas outside of that expertise. For example, I know next to nothing about Sumerian verbs or about football.

We are all ignorant, just about different things.

Furthermore, my *job* is to 'impose' my viewpoints on other people: as an educator, that is precisely what I am paid to do. I am also paid to evaluate the correctness of the views of others.

Expertise is a good argument. But what do you think makes one an expert in a particular subject?

Also, I will assume the views you "impose" upon people as an educator are not in opposition to their views, and, for the most part, they are there to learn about the subject you're teaching. I'll guess you don't make it a habit to walk into the history professor's classroom and start "imposing" mathematics on their pupils.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Whenever you bring this up, I think back to the subject of activism. If activism has had an impact on the world, wouldn't it mean it does matter and it is practical?

I'm glad you bring this up. Let's use...umm...I don't know...abortion as an example.

There are those that feel it should be a woman's choice whether or not to abort a fetus. There are others that feel that all life is sacred and feel terminating a fetus is a sin.

Is it practical for one to impose their upon the other? If so, how? If not, why not?

 

[SalixIncendium]

I like to consider many do not have their own worldview, though some may see that it is their view.

I'm confused by this statement. Can you rephrase or expand on this?

 

[SalixIncendium]

With Covid, most definitely, and the health of others is the valid reason for imposing my views on others.
So, I don't accept this lukewarm "well, their just my views." Sometimes our views are factually correct, and sometimes the stakes are too high to play such a game.

I think we need to make a distinction between view and actions.

Since you mention COVID, I'll expand on that.

I have no issue with one believing social distancing and wearing a mask is useless...as long as they wear a mask in public and stay 6 feet away from me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm confused by this statement. Can you rephrase or expand on this?

I can't speak for Tony, but my answer is that in effect some people are an un-reflected product of nature and nurture. Not that it is incorrect or wrong. Rather they "mirror" their culture without doubting it. Of course they may adapt with variation, but in effect it is within the boundaries of regular culture.
E.g. they don't question that they have to be right to have a correct life, but they do it differently individually.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are a know-all in the following sense. You know what everything/reality/the world/the universe really is in a limited metaphysical sense. Be honest about that and state it as it is: You know what reality really is.

I do not know reality (Brahman in my parlance) completely. I do not know if it has a non-existent phase. If it does not have a non-existent phase, then it is going to be a problem for me, I will need to review my beliefs. Then Brahman too, like Gods and Goddesses of theists will need to explain as to from where it has arisen. I have never hidden this fact.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Why do you feel you have the right to impose your personal worldview upon another whose views don't align with yours?

Do you know more about pragmatic reality than they do? Why...or how?

Of course I don't feel I have any right to impose my world view on others and I wish others wouldn't do so either. All one can do is to present as much evidence as one can to support any views, and the degree to which any evidence will be recognised/accepted might depend upon any willingness to do so, or any other factors that might interfere with this (like having a fixed belief perhaps). I do know that my abilities are variable and limited, such that I am often forced to restrain from entering any discussions - just as I am in dealing with evidence (lacking ability and/or knowledge). But at least I know this.

As to the second question, it's hard to know such things, and is probably similar to asking what some have experienced in the mind compared with others. But undoubtedly I will know more about certain things than others, and vice-versa. Whatever we experience, we all tend to take away something of value hopefully, but what that will be is often dependent upon the individual more than anything else.

 

[Vinayaka]

I duh smart one hey.

I won't be naming anyone. I'm confident they know who they are based on their behaviors.

I don't think all folks like those you describe do know. Anava is powerful at times. The keen observers like yourself would know, but some individuals have clouds around their brains. I think you're expecting too much.

As for the OP, I was surprised at reading responses from some, that they think their view is correct, and others are wrong. (Some of the folks I have respect for) They claimed that is a must, that if they thought another view was better, they should switch.

Not how I view it. I view it more as one would view languages. I speak English. You speak Gujarati, and another speaks Portuguese. I could never claim that English is better than any other language. So world views aren't better, they're only different.

On pragmatic levels outside of religion, it's obvious some folks have better views, by their training, or experience. Not sure if there is much overlap to religious world view from that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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On pragmatic levels outside of religion, it's obvious some folks have better views, by their training, or experience. Not sure if there is much overlap to religious world view from that.

If you look closer some aspects outside religion are like religion. It can be in philosophy, some aspects of philosophy of science and indeed in some versions of what science is and of course in politics/ideology.

 

[Vinayaka]

If you look closer some aspects outside religion are like religion. It can be in philosophy, some aspects of philosophy of science and indeed in some versions of what science is and of course in politics/ideology.

Yes, I think something like climate change might be an example.

 

[Secret Chief]

Whilst it would be a rare situation for me to impose my beliefs on another, I have done it at least a couple of times that I can remember, where I wasn't willing to stand by.

Am I getting a word like "turtle" ?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Actually I think I'm one of the people who at some times could have been considered to be imposing.

I think I tend to do it with politics though, and there are multiple reasons...

One is that political debates in America are about rhetoric. So I sometimes remain confused whether RF tries to follow the same format as Presidential debates or instead wishes things to be more like formal debates, when they say "debate".

The other is about political discussions. I do consider politics about imposing your view on others. It's an American culture thing even if some Americans haven't noticed. Quiet people get lost in the political scene. Making a substantial statement requires some degree of activism and appealing to others. Good ideas get lost, bad ideas get lost, but activism gets you seen.

I try not to display this behavior too much about other subjects. It'd be distracting when it comes to such a serious subject as people's religion.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Why do you feel you have the right to impose your personal worldview upon another whose views don't align with yours?

Do you know more about pragmatic reality than they do? Why...or how?

So we allow people to keep believing throwing women onto funeral fires, tearing the hearts out of living people, etc is something we have no business in changing?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Actually I think I'm one of the people who at some times could have been considered to be imposing.

I think I tend to do it with politics though, and there are multiple reasons...

One is that political debates in America are about rhetoric. So I sometimes remain confused whether RF tries to follow the same format as Presidential debates or instead wishes things to be more like formal debates, when they say "debate".

The other is about political discussions. I do consider politics about imposing your view on others. It's an American culture thing even if some Americans haven't noticed. Quiet people get lost in the political scene. Making a substantial statement requires some degree of activism and appealing to others. Good ideas get lost, bad ideas get lost, but activism gets you seen.

I try not to display this behavior too much about other subjects. It'd be distracting when it comes to such a serious subject as people's religion.

Well, in an some what absurd sense everything is politics or rather morality/ethics when you look closer. There is no human behavior, which doesn't in end overlap with some aspect of morality/ethics. Off course sometimes I will let other have their view, but if one of them go to universal with "I can speak for an universal "we", for which...", I have a hard time not going skeptic on them.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So we allow people to keep believing throwing women onto funeral fires, tearing the hearts out of living people, etc is something we have no business in changing?

Yeah, that is all there is. Now you, heretic, get on your place on the fire stack, so we can burn you!!!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Am I getting a word like "turtle" ?

Woah...umm...
2 quick things...

1) I'm not sure what you actually meant
2) One of the examples I had in mind involved a turtle, and I am not even joking. At all.

That is uber weird. Please tell me I have told you the turtle story before, and that's what you were referring to. It seems unlikely, but otherwise I am confused.
And...again...not even joking.

 

[TheSimpleView]

We'll if we look to our national leaders as a guide line we find a precedent set. A number of law makers who don't believe in the Christian God passed laws to the extent of fines and jail that prayer to that God could not be public. We can pray to their god even other gods, but not the Christian God, a large number of the people your probably referring to no doubt applauding. That sounds like one sided imposing to me.

Why do you feel you have the right to impose your personal worldview upon another whose views don't align with yours?

Do you know more about pragmatic reality than they do? Why...or how?

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[SalixIncendium]

So we allow people to keep believing throwing women onto funeral fires, tearing the hearts out of living people, etc is something we have no business in changing?

Is this happening frequently in your neck of the woods?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Is this happening frequently in your neck of the woods?

It does happen frequently in Australia's closest neighbour (Papua New Guinea) and I lived there for a while. The examples I loosely alluded to (which I'm happy to detail, but only if people are interested) also occurred there, including the turtle example.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It does happen frequently in Australia's closest neighbour (Papua New Guinea) and I lived there for a while. The examples I loosely alluded to (which I'm happy to detail, but only if people are interested) also occurred there, including the turtle example.

I am interested. Are these occurrences a product of a group's or an individual's views, or are these moreso random acts of violence?