How Bad Will It Get?

[BrokenBread]

So what to do? I'm probably as safe here as most non native born people. By inauguration day if all goes well I will be a US citizen, so they won't be able to kick me out, hopefully.

If you came here legally and don't have a criminal record on what basis do you think you would be "kicked out " ?

 

[Alien826]

If you came here legally and don't have a criminal record on what basis do you think you would be "kicked out " ?

Maybe when they are done with illegals they will get to legals. After all Trump wanted to kick out Haitians here legally. Probably not, but put it down to my not feeling safe any more in general.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No...Ukraine will become a EU country, so no Russian presence, for sure.
Except for the regions that already joined the Russian Federation.

Joined, as in annexed - just like Hitler.

 

[libre]

There are many thoughts I have, but better to digest them another day.

Complaining after an election is easy to interpret as ungracious and unproductive, celebrating after an election is easy to interpret as immodest and lacking empathy for those that are genuinely scared by the transfer of power.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Inflation IS low -- brought down by the Biden/Harris admin. And you've had it explained to you what caused the rise in inflation in the first place -- money spent to prevent thousands of businesses from going under (and thus turning their employees out), and to prevent the millions who couldn't go to work and their families from starving to death. I can only presume those are of no consequence to you, since you ignore it every single time you're told.

Yes, I want people to die of starvation. This is the kind of fear mongering the left does that was just rejected. No, I just don't think we would have had mass starvations in the US without the handouts. Inflation rate is historically high, 2023 was 3.4% and 2024 so far is 3.02%. The average pre 2020 was 2.17% with 90% of the years being under 2%. Economists I read say inflation under 1%-2% is a healthy economy. Under Biden the inflation rate averaged 4.3%.

And you've had it explained to you how Trump tariffs will increase inflation, which he doesn't understand any more than you do.

Tariffs may increase prices on certain products but they do not increase inflation. Those are two different concepts.

And other people have kids, too. Some of them are gay, or trans, or otherwise "different," who are now in greater danger than they have been in decades. Some of them are girls who may one day make a mistake -- to her great cost.

In danger of what exactly?

I am aware you don't see it, but I think you will come to regret this. Or maybe you won't. Doesn't matter, either way -- it's' done.

I can say the same about you. It is obvious you are upset but that does not make Trump a Nazi or me garbage.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

He will have to make them go away, somehow. They will be growing visual evidence that he is not helping the economy, nor "Making America Great Again". And since he doesn't care about them as human beings, because they are the "losers". He'll use whatever expedient means that his supporters will accept to be rid of them. Which will be forced labor camps, deportation, and just letting them starve so long as they do it out of sight and at no one else's expense.

You being one of his supporters, just ask yourself what you are willing to accept as a means of getting these homeless scum.

Okay. This is insane, he never said anything like this.

 

[Argentbear]

Let's see if you are actually right or just blowing off steam. Personally I want to see life improving, not digressing.

life improving for who?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

WAIT!

Yo DO acknowledge that Trump stopped ISIS which resulted in even SMALLER numbers of civilian casualties and that when Biden left Afghanistan, more civilian casualties, freedom fighters and even our soldiers lost their lives?

Are you still pushing political bias because Trump won? Maybe you should try praying and stop creating scenarios that are in the future and don’t know if it really is going to be that way?

So far you haven’t responded to my questions about the facts.
Raising the ante, I‘ve Already vetted you (tRump’s) claims, and found them to be the standard package of self promoting lies he has always lived by.

https://academic.oup.com/book/36779/chapter-abstract/321914651?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Abstract This chapter shows that, despite Trump's claims to the contrary, he did not entirely defeat Islamic State, and it was not him or -- rather -- him alone who had achieved the military successes against the group. The campaign consisted of three distinct phases. After some hesitation, Obama made defeating Islamic State a priority, created a plan and structure, and executed a significant part of the military campaign. Trump's "generals" continued implementing this strategy, albeit with the new "rules of engagement" that involved greater risks in return for faster, more decisive operations. Trump's personal involvement was limited to the last phase, in which he declared victory over Islamic State and announced a pull-out of American forces from Syria. In doing so, he contradicted his own administration's policy, alienated allies, strengthened America's adversaries, and emboldened the nearly defeated Islamic State.

As for the Afghanistan withdrawal and timeline set up by tRump, both POTUSs are to blame, as you know. With tRump failing to communicate with the Taliban and the incoming administration, yet leaving the withdrawal date as set (like a time-bomb), while Biden’s military staff executed the withdrawal poorly.
Of course we were loosing troops weekly by keeping them in country. The prompt withdrawal, saved the lives of many more of our soldiers than would have occurred had they stayed.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...ghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump-2023-04-06/

I’m not “pushing political bias”. I am simply presenting my disappointment and sadness at how easily the American public has been duped by this dangerous and traitorous Conman. Your “counter arguments” do stand in nicely as a case in point.. For which I thank you.

So; do try to own up for tRump’s false claims, and answer my original questions of you.
If you believe that mine are also wanting, then answer them and cite your evidence to support your argument. Simple….if they’re based in reality.

Biden was determined to continue the same
America uber alles big stick military
intervention everywhere policies that have
made USA feared, resented and distrusted
worldwide.

He has withdrawn our forces from the Middle East. No other military actions have been taken. ?”Big stick”?

See Ukraine and the Middle East!

Harris is clumsy, ill informed, inarticulate and
inexperienced. Not particularly bright. And big on more billions to
kill people in Europe and the Middle East.

There is zero evidence to support your ad hominem attacks, and abundant evidence to the contrary.
As for supporting the Ukrainian fight against the warlord known as Putin…. Of course. What else would you reccomend?

Among other major issues.

Trump is a flawed guy, but the democrats all
but deliberately handed him top job.
Twice.

Good going, guys.

No wonder we dont trust or respect you.

The Republicans handed him both elections. Built primarily on an apologetic right-wing-biased media, and tRump’s own rankings for division, hatred, fear, and threats of violence.
How you , @Kenny , and others see reality differently is both puzzling and very disturbing.

I don't care what Jesus said.

Securing the border, low inflation, high employment for minorities, school choice, a more peaceful world etc. are good for the lives of all Americans and myself. It is not about just me, but about my kids future and all Americans that includes myself. Trump delivered these things, Harris did not.

Trump made the border less secure while wasting billions of dollars, and time.
Inflation and the US economy, as usual, were handed to a Dem POTUS as the markets burned to ash, and that Dem saved us all. Any other outlook is impatient and short-sighted. Of course tRump will claim responsibility for Biden’s achievements not just in January, but even now. And his worshipper will think it’s true.

This is not true. Conservatives stayed where they were, the progressives moved further left. The left moved to cooky beliefs such as 37 genders, men playing in women's sports, men can have babies, not securing the border, loan forgiveness, giving body mutilating surgeries to children without parental consent, supporting terrorist organizations, abandoning Israel, advocating giving illegal immigrants voting rights, housing and health care over American citizens. We also saw the left threaten free speech rights and parental rights. Regular Americans are not for these cooky ideas and we are tired of being called nasty names because we oppose them. Republicans have become more moderate in some areas, accepting same sex marriage and homosexuality at a higher rate than ever for example and they are more likely to want to fund social programs.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

We don't care what Beyonce, Taylor Swift or the elites think, they don't have to live with the consequences of their ideas. We want to be left alone to live a normal American life and exercise our liberty. The dem party opposes that.

You forgot the Clintons selling children as sex slaves and immortality cannibal food out of a pizza shop basement.
NOTHING that you listed is true. Wow! Just, wow.

You should try reading the Pew report yourself, rather than having an editorial piece from Investors.com interpreting it for you. Pew does good work, but they just present the facts. Like….how people of each party are accepting homosexuality as part of human life. It’s just that Dems have more rapidly adjusted to the reality at hand, while Republicans, while have not adapted as well to reality.
The editorial is basically (purposefully)misreading the Pew report like this….
”In 1994 92% of Dems think it’s a bad idea to shoot yourself in the foot, while 37% of Repubs think that’s true. Now in 2017 100% of Dems think shooting oneself in the foot is bad news, while 40% of Republicans agree with that.” “So clearly the Dems are swinging more than TWICE as far from the more centrist Republicans yet again!” “Those crazy moon-bat Lefties!”



If you want bias OUT OF your news, then read the facts yourself.

If you came here legally and don't have a criminal record on what basis do you think you would be "kicked out " ?

You have obviously not been following the news.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-military-enemy-from-within-election-day/index.html

 

[SkepticThinker]

This is not true. Conservatives stayed where they were, the progressives moved further left.

Nah. Conservatives now worship a cult leader and do whatever he says.

The left moved to cooky beliefs such as 37 genders, men playing in women's sports, men can have babies, not securing the border, loan forgiveness, giving body mutilating surgeries to children without parental consent, supporting terrorist organizations, abandoning Israel, advocating giving illegal immigrants voting rights, housing and health care over American citizens. We also saw the left threaten free speech rights and parental rights. Regular Americans are not for these cooky ideas and we are tired of being called nasty names because we oppose them. Republicans have become more moderate in some areas, accepting same sex marriage and homosexuality at a higher rate than ever for example and they are more likely to want to fund social programs.

This list is absurdly silly and inaccurate. Hyperbolic in the extreme.
If regular Americans believe this codswallop, then no wonder Trump won.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

We don't care what Beyonce, Taylor Swift or the elites think, they don't have to live with the consequences of their ideas.

Nah, you care what Kid Rock and Hulk Hogan think.

We want to be left alone to live a normal American life and exercise our liberty. The dem party opposes that.

You think Democrats oppose people being left alone and living normal lives? What a weird thing to say and believe.

The party that wants to control what other people do with their own bodies is not the Democrats. But then, you support that too, while going on about liberty and freedom, without even a hint of irony.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes, I want people to die of starvation. This is the kind of fear mongering the left does that was just rejected. No, I just don't think we would have had mass starvations in the US without the handouts. Inflation rate is historically high, 2023 was 3.4% and 2024 so far is 3.02%. The average pre 2020 was 2.17% with 90% of the years being under 2%. Economists I read say inflation under 1%-2% is a healthy economy. Under Biden the inflation rate averaged 4.3%.

Frankly, I'm sick of this, I'm sick of Trump, I'm sick of arguing about it. But for the record, inflation is now under 2.4%. I've added a graph, below, to show how COVID cases developed EVERY DAY in the US, during which time, literally millions of workers in bars, restaurants, hotels, theatres, recreation and entertainment, retail, transportation and more were simply unable to work -- and therefore unable to be paid. This happened around the world, and governments everywhere provided much-needed assistance to people who would otherwise have quickly exhausted savings (if they had any), and needed to pay rent, mortgages and for food. And also, the consequent interruption of supply lines world-wide contributed greatly to increasing prices. Trump's initial mis-handling of that pandemic was obvious to all, even though he didn't have to deal with it for as long as Biden did. Look at the graph.

Tariffs may increase prices on certain products but they do not increase inflation. Those are two different concepts.

According to the IMF, "Inflation measures how much more expensive a set of goods and services has become over a certain period, usually a year." That's the definition you just gave.

In danger of what exactly?

You ask this in response to my statement that "other people have kids, too. Some of them are gay, or trans, or otherwise "different," who are now in greater danger than they have been in decades. Some of them are girls who may one day make a mistake -- to her great cost." Really?

Do you know when it was perfectly okay to discriminate against gay people and toss them out of their apartments? Do you know when they were allowed (finally) to marry -- and how badly many "christians" want to take that right away? Do you know how trans kids suffer when they must spend every waking moment trying vainly to pretend they're not who they are -- and how they are so often taunted because they can't succeed, simply because they really ARE WHO THEY ARE?

Do you know how many women suffered serious health-care issues directly as a result of Dobbs?
US Obstetrician-Gynecologists' Perceived Impacts of Post–Dobbs v Jackson State Abortion Bans

I can say the same about you. It is obvious you are upset but that does not make Trump a Nazi or me garbage.

I did not call Trump a Nazi, nor you garbage.

However, you say you feel the same about me (that I might come to regret [Trump's election]) -- well guess what, I already do.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The expected start date of third world war is now around 2040 (earlier it was 2050).

III World War or rather the final war called Armageddon - Psalm 46:9
The expected start signal is Not a date but when the powers in charge are saying, " Peace and Security....." those rosy-sounding words can lead people down that old primrose path, Not to safety but will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

- 1st Thessalonians 5:2-3

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

life improving for who?

For some people, life appears to be a zero-sum game: if somebody is doing better than me, it must be at my expense.

 

[Koldo]

This is not true. Conservatives stayed where they were, the progressives moved further left.

To become a center-left party. You may or may not be aware of this, but if not for abortion rights, loan forgiveness, transgender rights, and the likes, the Democratic party would be a right-wing party.

The left moved to cooky beliefs such as 37 genders, men playing in women's sports, men can have babies, not securing the border, loan forgiveness, giving body mutilating surgeries to children without parental consent, supporting terrorist organizations, abandoning Israel, advocating giving illegal immigrants voting rights, housing and health care over American citizens. We also saw the left threaten free speech rights and parental rights. Regular Americans are not for these cooky ideas and we are tired of being called nasty names because we oppose them.

Some of those are lies while some others are twisting the truth.

Republicans have become more moderate in some areas, accepting same sex marriage and homosexuality at a higher rate than ever for example and they are more likely to want to fund social programs.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

We don't care what Beyonce, Taylor Swift or the elites think, they don't have to live with the consequences of their ideas. We want to be left alone to live a normal American life and exercise our liberty. The dem party opposes that.

And yet xenophoby is on the rise among the right.

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe when they are done with illegals they will get to legals. After all Trump wanted to kick out Haitians here legally. Probably not, but put it down to my not feeling safe any more in general.

He also said he wanted to deport Jack Smith.

No idea where he is going to deport him to.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Trump made the border less secure while wasting billions of dollars, and time.
Inflation and the US economy, as usual, were handed to a Dem POTUS as the markets burned to ash, and that Dem saved us all. Any other outlook is impatient and short-sighted. Of course tRump will claim responsibility for Biden’s achievements not just in January, but even now. And his worshipper will think it’s true.

Facepalm all you want but inflation was 1.4% when Biden took office. Trump's economy prior to the pandemic was very healthy inflation was down, unemployment was down and historically so for black men, interest rates were low, etc. Biden did not do any of that so I am not sure what he is taking Biden's credit for.

Biden removed the remain in mexico policy in his first day that is the main reason there is chaos at the border and millions of immigrants in the country that we have no idea who they are.

What did Biden do to "save us all"?

You forgot the Clintons selling children as sex slaves and immortality cannibal food out of a pizza shop basement.
NOTHING that you listed is true. Wow! Just, wow.

These things you listed are not true. But everything else I listed is true, but when you listen to the media you don't get the truth.

 

[Estro Felino]

Trump's 1st term was marked by lack of accomplishment.

If by lack of accomplishment you mean that the war hawks's thirst for war was not satiated....you're 100% right.

None.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Frankly, I'm sick of this, I'm sick of Trump, I'm sick of arguing about it. But for the record, inflation is now under 2.4%. I've added a graph, below, to show how COVID cases developed EVERY DAY in the US, during which time, literally millions of workers in bars, restaurants, hotels, theatres, recreation and entertainment, retail, transportation and more were simply unable to work -- and therefore unable to be paid. This happened around the world, and governments everywhere provided much-needed assistance to people who would otherwise have quickly exhausted savings (if they had any), and needed to pay rent, mortgages and for food. Trump's initial mis-handling of that pandemic was obvious to all, even though he didn't have to deal with it for as long as Biden did. Look at the graph.

According to the IMF, "Inflation measures how much more expensive a set of goods and services has become over a certain period, usually a year." That's the definition you just gave.

Do you know what "set of goods means"?

You ask this in response to my statement that "other people have kids, too. Some of them are gay, or trans, or otherwise "different," who are now in greater danger than they have been in decades. Some of them are girls who may one day make a mistake -- to her great cost." Really?

Do you know when it was perfectly okay to discriminate against gay people and toss them out of their apartments? Do you know when they were allowed (finally) to marry -- and how badly many "christians" want to take that right away? Do you know how trans kids suffer when they must spend every waking moment trying vainly to pretend they're not who they are -- and how they are so often taunted because they can't succeed, simply because they really ARE WHO THEY ARE?

Do you know how many women suffered serious health-care issues directly as a result of Dobbs?
US Obstetrician-Gynecologists' Perceived Impacts of Post–Dobbs v Jackson State Abortion Bans

Notice all of your statements are in the past. Why is Trump going to bring these dangers back?

I did not call Trump a Nazi, nor you garbage.

No, but the people you support did.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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These things you listed are not true. But everything else I listed is true, but when you listen to the media you don't get the truth.

Seems as if instead of trusting the media people trust blogs
Campaigning seems to be commercial with billionaires $$$$$$$$$$$ wanting to or having their way

 

[Revoltingest]

If by lack of accomplishment you mean that the war hawks's thirst for war was not satiated....you're 100% right.

None.

One failure was his campaign promise to end the Afghan war.
Instead, he continued it for 4 years. It took Biden to end it.
Your Trump is a warmonger too.

 

[Estro Felino]

One failure was his campaign promise to end the Afghan war.
Instead, he continued it for 4 years. It took Biden to end it.
Your Trump is a warmonger too.

Trump loves Europe.
As much as Europe loves America.

It's time things are fixed.