How Bad Will It Get?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Stop blaming me for the names other people might have called you. Blame me when I do it, and not before.

Uh huh, you blamed me for what Trump has called others because I voted for him. I was just doing the same. Is it right or wrong to do that?

And by the way, Vance deliberately and loudly called Harris "Garbage" in his closing speech.

If he did that, it was something he should not have done.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If he did that, it was something he should not have done.

"If he did that..."

You are confirming something I've gathered all along -- you don't actually listen to those you support. So how in the heck can you really know what you're voting for?

I, on the other hand, listen very carefully to both sides. And I don't even get a vote!

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

"If he did that..."

You are confirming something I've gathered all along -- you don't actually listen to those you support. So how in the heck can you really know what you're voting for?

OMG, I was being honest, I did not hear him say that. Jeeze.

I, on the other hand, listen very carefully to both sides. And I don't even get a vote!

You just need a break, all you do is find anything to insult others with when you have no idea what they have or have not done.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

OMG, I was being honest, I did not hear him say that. Jeeze.

And that's my point. If you don't know what he says, why vote for him?

You just need a break, all you do is find anything to insult others with when you have no idea what they have or have not done.

If what I say about another person is backed up by real evidence -- especially if it's evidence provided by themselves, out of their own mouths -- then I don't think you can characterize what I'm saying as insulting them. Rather, I'm reporting on facts. If the facts are insulting -- well, that's hardly my fault, is it?

 

[sayak83]

And that's my point. If you don't know what he says, why vote for him?

If what I say about another person is backed up by real evidence -- especially if it's evidence provided by themselves, out of their own mouths -- then I don't think you can characterize what I'm saying as insulting them. Rather, I'm reporting on facts. If the facts are insulting -- well, that's hardly my fault, is it?

The danger for Canada and Europe is far greater. I think that Trump represents a majority view now in USA that it should get out of all foreign defense and military and international commitments. So USA will move away from NATO and trans-pacific defense pacts and start closing bases etc. Instead it will seek short term opportunistic bilateral deals the way Russia and China does it. This will greatly impact the security situation of the other Western nations who will have to seriously invest in the millitary technology and create their own alliances now.
The UN will also become defunct. I do not expect it to survive to the next decade.

 

[Estro Felino]

The danger for Canada and Europe is far greater. I think that Trump represents a majority view now in USA that it should get out of all foreign defense and military and international commitments. So USA will move away from NATO and trans-pacific defense pacts and start closing bases etc. Instead it will seek short term opportunistic bilateral deals the way Russia and China does it. This will greatly impact the security situation of the other Western nations who will have to seriously invest in the millitary technology and create their own alliances now.
The UN will also become defunct. I do not expect it to survive to the next decade.

The danger of Europe...what do you mean?

Europe is not in danger, unless the warmongers are in power.
And Trump vowed to promote peace between NATO and Russia. What we need now is peace, peace, peace.
Frieden, paix, pace, paz.

 

[sayak83]

The danger of Europe...what do you mean?

Europe is not in danger, unless the warmongers are in power.
And Trump vowed to promote peace between NATO and Russia. What we need now is peace, peace, peace.
Frieden, paix, pace, paz.

I am not really interested in discussing this with you as our views on reality are wildly divergent. I anticipate and continued increase in wars, instability and increasing millitary spending throughout the world, including in Europe. A lot of countries will now try to develop nuclear weapons as well now.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is I suppose bad news for developing nations like India. The US companies will withdraw their investments. Then increased tariffs. Let us see, how Indian market has reacted to Trump victory.

The Indian Sensex is up, gold is down, Rupee has touched a record low 84.25 for a USD. Reserve Bank does not generally interfere in rupee value.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Chill. The effects of trumps yet to start presidency won’t be felt for a while.
Economic changes that are occurring this week are simply a snapping back to normal following all of the tension and uncertainty of the last several months.

By January Trump will have an acted a few presidential orders on domestic social issues.

The US and world economies won’t be affected by him for at least six months to a year and a half after January 2025. The international military implications that @sayak83 suggest won’t come to any sort of fruition until 2026 at the earliest.
Perhaps some smaller warlords will try to take action early on…. correctly, figuring that they can bribe Trump into ignoring international humanitarian violations. Even Putin has overstretched his powers trying to invade and conquer the Ukraine. Once Trump hands him the Ukraine on a silver platter (and showing the world that the US is not an ally to anyone and should be avoided at all possible turns, especially including economic, technological, and military deals and alliances ) Putin will have to take quite some time to re-organize his military before trying another major invasion of a neighbor….most likely some former member of the USSR.

The designing and building of research and large scale construction facilities (tanks, guns, ammo, fighter jets, missles, nukes, etc…), as well as military promotion and recruiting will take at least a couple years in European, African, Asian nations, who formally allied themselves with the USA, before they appear visible to their citizens. And this of course, could lead to severe global economic disruptions. Of course Trump may think of this as a good thing, since the US is ready willing and able to sell all sorts of military equipment, and technology to the highest bidder. Along with our honor and souls.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And that's my point. If you don't know what he says, why vote for him?

Are you serious? I did not hear him say this one thing. Again Jeez.

If what I say about another person is backed up by real evidence -- especially if it's evidence provided by themselves, out of their own mouths -- then I don't think you can characterize what I'm saying as insulting them. Rather, I'm reporting on facts. If the facts are insulting -- well, that's hardly my fault, is it?

So your evidence that I don't listen to Trump or Vance is that I did not hear one comment Vance made. Ok, that is not good evidence.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Two items that I've heard mentioned in the news, and possibly in this thread....regarding defunding.

TOTUS has stated that he wants to defund/end government R&D funding for Electric Vehicles and Renewable Energy - This would drag us further back than we already are in the international markets, and leave our working class jobless and poorly educated relative to foreign middle-class workers.

And speaking of uneducated - TOTUS wants to end the Department of Education (both of these he could conceivably do relatively quickly come January. As if our teachers and the public schools weren't financially strapped already. Yet somehow he has actually tricked his worshippers into thinking that this will IMPROVE their school choices . I know. Right?
So, what will he try to replace public schools with? Private school vouchers? HA! The relative costs would be stratospheric , with absolutely no guarantee of any quality, and be strictly religious in 99% of the cases (violating Amendment #1).

Who here was lucky enough to have a public school education?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Are you serious? I did not hear him say this one thing. Again Jeez.

So your evidence that I don't listen to Trump or Vance is that I did not hear one comment Vance made. Ok, that is not good evidence.

Okay, I'm not trying to be confrontational here, so let's get that out of the way.

Look, it may be a problem with my brain -- but I cannot conceive of how anyone could have listened -- actually listened, with good comprehension -- to one of Trump's rambling, 2+ hour orgies of self-pity mixed with self-glorification and no end of pointless, inane and sometimes insane diversions into worlds of pure fantasy, and still have thought the man fit for the highest office in the nation. I think I can say that many of our fellows here on RF, who, like me, actually listened to him, feel the same.

We felt the same during his first term, when he was suggesting from the White House Press Room that maybe injecting bleach would be a good idea for COVID, while basically dismissing what the actual doctors in the room were telling him. We remember, for example, that at least 48 White House staff members or associates, closely working with White House personnel, tested positive for the virus. The White House resisted efforts to engage in contact tracing, leaving it unclear how many people were infected in total and what the origins of the spread were. A Stanford preprint study concluded that likely over 30,000 cases and 700 deaths could be attributed to Trump rallies held between June 20 and September 22, 2020. On June 20, Trump held a campaign rally in Tulsa, the first since the start of the pandemic. Attendees who tested positive include two Secret Service agents, two staffers, the girlfriend of the President's eldest son, Kimberly Guilfoyle and politician Herman Cain. Cain died from the disease on July 30. Tulsa experienced a significant increase in cases after the rally.

I honestly feel that they are not hearing his words, nor making intelligent use of his actions -- or are weaving them into their own narrative, which is essentially the same as making the case for Trump on their own, out of whole cloth.

 

[Altfish]

Looks like Project 2025 is back on the agenda....

MAGA stars gloat they can 'finally' admit Trump's secret agenda

Conservatives are gloating that 'Project 2025' will be enacted in the new Donald Trump era, despite the former president having disavowed the agenda during the campaign.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MSN

Trump lied ... now what a surprise

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Looks like Project 2025 is back on the agenda....

MAGA stars gloat they can 'finally' admit Trump's secret agenda

Conservatives are gloating that 'Project 2025' will be enacted in the new Donald Trump era, despite the former president having disavowed the agenda during the campaign.

www.dailymail.co.uk

MSN

Trump lied ... now what a surprise

Trump LIED? Gosh, I never would have guessed such a thing possible!

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

We felt the same during his first term, when he was suggesting from the White House Press Room that maybe injecting bleach would be a good idea for COVID, while basically dismissing what the actual doctors in the room were telling him.

He never said this. This is what he said:

Trump Didn't Tell People to 'Inject Bleach' for COVID-19. But Here's What He Did Say

Trump's confusing remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic were revived during the 2024 presidential campaign.

www.snopes.com

The left likes to take something Trump says and make it into something else that sounds crazy, racist or stupid. This is a good example, another example is the "good people on both sides" comment. He never said white supremacists were good people either. Until the media and the left stop doing this why should I take what they say seriously? They have made Trump into a boogeyman to divide people and make them fearful. And it did not work.

I honestly feel that they are not hearing his words, nor making intelligent use of his actions -- or are weaving them into their own narrative, which is essentially the same as making the case for Trump on their own, out of whole cloth.

Is this not what you are doing with the "inject bleach" comment? If Trump is so bad the left should not have to lie about him. I do listen to Trump and Vance and I don't like everything they say or do but I do like their policies and it is because I listen to them I know he is not going to be a dictator, round people up and put them in camps, inject people with bleach, put the media or political opponents in jail, kill his political opponents or any of the other crazy insane things the left believes about him. Because they are crazy and unhinged. Do you really think I would vote for those things?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

He never said this. This is what he said:

Trump Didn't Tell People to 'Inject Bleach' for COVID-19. But Here's What He Did Say

Trump's confusing remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic were revived during the 2024 presidential campaign.

www.snopes.com

The left likes to take something Trump says and make it into something else that sounds crazy, racist or stupid. This is a good example, another example is the "good people on both sides" comment. He never said white supremacists were good people either. Until the media and the left stop doing this why should I take what they say seriously? They have made Trump into a boogeyman to divide people and make them fearful. And it did not work.

Is this not what you are doing with the "inject bleach" comment? If Trump is so bad the left should not have to lie about him. I do listen to Trump and Vance and I don't like everything they say or do but I do like their policies and it is because I listen to them I know he is not going to be a dictator, round people up and put them in camps, inject people with bleach, put the media or political opponents in jail, kill his political opponents or any of the other crazy insane things the left believes about him. Because they are crazy and unhinged. Do you really think I would vote for those things?

Gawd, you miss the simplest, most obvious things: he was the PRESIDENT, speaking from the White House -- that is to say officially. He knows nothing about medicine, but was making ridiculous statements that his medical advisors were in no position, in that forum, to dismiss. That is wantonly dangerous, because people who know even less than he does were listening to him -- and did not hear anyone say "don't do that!"

Try to remember the office that he held, and will hold again. That matters.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Gawd, you miss the simplest, most obvious things: he was the PRESIDENT, speaking from the White House -- that is to say officially. He knows nothing about medicine, but was making ridiculous statements that his medical advisors were in no position, in that forum, to dismiss. That is wantonly dangerous, because people who know even less than he does were listening to him -- and did not hear anyone say "don't do that!"

Try to remember the office that he held, and will hold again. That matters.

And you just changed your argument. You went from he said to inject bleach to just talking about bleach as a possible covid killing agent is dangerous.

He said this right after he made his comments:

"It wouldn't be through injection. We're talking about through almost a cleaning, sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't work. But it certainly has a big effect if it's on a stationary object."

He also said:

"So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."

Again this is why we don't listen to the media or the left very much. They lie and twist what he says constantly.

 

[Alien826]

Trump is the wet dream of every misogynist and every xenophobic in the US: a man that represents their values and managed to become the republican candidate. Consider all this talk about the borders during the election. It is only a relevant point in a nation with a lot of xenophobes.

Yup.

84? Really?
I am amazed. I hope that if I ever get to 83 years old, I get to sound like you. For some reason, I thought you were in your fourties.

I'm feeling a lot older now. I'll recover, I usually do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Facepalm all you want but inflation was 1.4% when Biden took office. Trump's economy prior to the pandemic was very healthy inflation was down, unemployment was down and historically so for black men, interest rates were low, etc. Biden did not do any of that so I am not sure what he is taking Biden's credit for.

Biden removed the remain in mexico policy in his first day that is the main reason there is chaos at the border and millions of immigrants in the country that we have no idea who they are.

What did Biden do to "save us all"?

These things you listed are not true. But everything else I listed is true, but when you listen to the media you don't get the truth.

And again you completely ignore Trump's massive bungling of the pandemic, as you did the last time I pointed it out to you.
It's amazing to me that Trump supporters seem to just blot that out of their memories. You guys just pretend it never happened.

Biden did all of that during his term and more. You give him zero credit and don't pretend the pandemic didn't happen.

Funny thing, that.

 

[bobhikes]

Trump is currently winning. Let’s assume he gets re-elected.

He has said that he will be a dictator on day 1.
Trump has always represented hard-core right-wingers, and holds contempt for left-wing ideas/ideals.
He has stated that he will shut down broadcasting networks who disagree with him.
That outspoken comedians, and Democratic political leaders, and outspoken students, etc…. Should be arrested, killed, or thrown out of the USA.

What will he really do?​

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How I see it,

If you're LBGT or an Immigrant, you will get the worst treatment of the Presidency
If you're a minority or poor you will get the 2nd worst treatment of the Presidency
If you're a democrat or woman you will get the 3rd worst treatment of the Presidency

The Middle Class will get higher taxes and other charges like healthcare and such but will mostly be OK.

The Rich will be treated good
The Rich willing to praise Trump to his face and compliment Trump publicly will be treated better
The Foreign Countries willing to pay Trump well and compliment Trump publicly will be treated the best.