How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[Tumah]

There is clearly a difference between Jacob and Israel, and one that the translators of JPS 1985 Edition make explicit in their notes [Isaiah 59:20 side-note]. You clearly disagree with their comment. Why?

You cited the JPS notes on Isaiah 59:20 saying that they say that not all of Israel will be saved. This is obvious from the context of the verse: only the repentant will be saved. I do not disagree with this.

I don't have to use Romans 11:26 to support the view expressed in Isaiah 59:20. It's based on the idea that all Israel will be saved; an idea that is scattered throughout the Tanakh.

1 Samuel 19:5. [KJV] 'For he [David] did put his life in his hand, and slew the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great salvation for all Israel: thou [Saul] sawest it, and didst rejoice: wherefore then wilt thou sin against innocent blood, to slay David without a cause?'

1 Samuel 19:5. [JPS 1985 Edition]. 'He [David] took his life in his hands and killed the Philistine, and the LORD wrought a great victory for all Israel. You saw it and rejoiced. Why then should you incur the guilt of shedding the blood of an innocent man, killing David without cause?'

This quote is from after the war ended. After the war is over, whoever remains has been saved. And all the people that are left represent the new entirety of the nation. The trick is becoming one of the remainder.

Amazing words of truth, but only if you have eyes to see!

It's called tunnel vision.

 

[Skywalker]

Back to Hebrews as Paul wrote to some: "We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain, because you are dull of hearing. 12Although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to reteach you the basic principles of God’s word. You need milk, not solid food!" You're not showing scriptures at all to show that Jesus is God equal to two other godpersons making up one entity.

Matthew 25:13 in the KJV removes "wherin the Son of man cometh". Matthew 27:54 changes "the son of God" to "a son of God". A Christian is a son of God, they aren't the son of God.

 

[Brickjectivity]

*sigh* Guess I'll skim the thread. Its too long. Does anybody remember what they were talking about on page 10? I doubt it.

 

[Harel13]

The Hebrew of Jared is incorrect. It should be ירד - Yared, not גארד - Gared.
And I didn't understand how whoever made this reached the conclusion that Enosh means "sickly, fallen man".

 

[Harel13]

*sigh* Guess I'll skim the thread. Its too long. Does anybody remember what they were talking about on page 10? I doubt it.

Good luck...

 

[Ehav4Ever]

*sigh* Guess I'll skim the thread. Its too long. Does anybody remember what they were talking about on page 10? I doubt it.

Trust me when I say. You would be better off just ignoring this thread.

 

[ayin]

The Hebrew of Jared is incorrect. It should be ירד - Yared, not גארד - Gared.

You are right. It is a spelling mistake.

And I didn't understand how whoever made this reached the conclusion that Enosh means "sickly, fallen man".

Enosh is from the root anash, which means "weak, sick, frail", properties of a mortal(enosh) man, who has fallen.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Here's another neat passage of scripture, but only for those with eyes to see!

2 Samuel 19:10-15. [JPS 1985 Edition]
'All the people throughout the tribes of Israel were arguing: Some said, "The king saved us from the hands of our enemies, and he delivered us from the hands of the Philistines; and just now he had to flee the country because of Absalom [Father of peace]. But Absalom [Father of peace], whom we anointed over us, has died in battle; why then do you sit idle instead of escorting the king back?" The talk of all Israel reached the king in his quarters. So king David sent this message to the priests Zadok [Righteous] and Abiathar [Father of superfluity]: "Speak to the elders of Judah and say, 'Why should you be the last to escort the king back? And to Amasa [Burden bearer] say this, 'You are my own flesh and blood. May God do thus and more to me if you do not become my army commander permanently in place of Joab [Jah is Father]!' So [Amasa][Burden bearer] swayed the hearts of all the Judges as one man; and they sent a message to the king: "Come back with all your followers."

There's hope, yet!

 

[ayin]

 

[Rival]

 

[Harel13]

Enosh is from the root anash, which means "weak, sick, frail", properties of a mortal(enosh) man, who has fallen.

Example of this in a sentence from the Bible or Hebraic text from the Biblical era? Otherwise it would be like defining a word with the same word...

 

[Harel13]

And what does Hand Behold Nail Behold mean? I would have thought god would have been more coherent in his acronyms.

 

[ayin]

Strong's #3027 - יָד - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org Hand
Strong's #1887 - הֵא - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org Behold
Strong's #2053 - וָו - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org Nail
= Behold the nailed hand.

If that's not enough, here are the images of the letters with their meanings: https://i2.wp.com/www.minimannamome...8/pictograph-hebrew_med_hr.jpg?resize=469,795

 

[Rival]

Names and words have contexts. My username is from one meaning of my real name, but I'm not actually anyone's competitor or enemy or whatever. My name exists in a certain context.

I can make a weird sentence out of some of the real names of RF friends and me. I can think of one now. It's cool, but it's also meaningless.

 

[Harel13]

Strong's #1887 - הֵא - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org Behold

Yeah, no, the context of the verses brought for הֵא makes need for a lot of twisting around to somehow believe that the word means "behold"...
But sure, I'll humor this interpretation for a moment. Couldn't god invent a more coherent sentence to turn into an acronym of his name?

 

[ayin]

Example of this in a sentence from the Bible or Hebraic text from the Biblical era? Otherwise it would be like defining a word with the same word...

"Sick: In the sense of the mortality of man. KJV (9): (vf: Paal, Niphal) sick, incurable, desperate, wicked, woeful" Strong's #0582 - אֱנוֹשׁ - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org

 

[Harel13]

"Sick: In the sense of the mortality of man. KJV (9): (vf: Paal, Niphal) sick, incurable, desperate, wicked, woeful" Strong's #0582 - אֱנוֹשׁ - Old Testament Hebrew Lexical Dictionary - StudyLight.org

I don't see how that answers my request.
Is there a Biblical passage or other ancient Hebraic text that includes the wrote of the word in a manner that makes it clear that the meaning is what you say it is? Or in other words, where does Strong's get its definition from?

 

[ayin]

And what does Hand Behold Nail Behold mean? I would have thought god would have been more coherent in his acronyms.

It means "Behold the nailed Hand!"

Yehoshua(Jesus) = YHWH is salvation = Behold the nailed hand is salvation!

The Bible is amazing.

 

[Harel13]

It means "Behold the nailed Hand!"

So why is it so grammatically incoherent? I thought god was perfect.
@rosends, teach god some English...

 

[Redemptionsong]

You cited the JPS notes on Isaiah 59:20 saying that they say that not all of Israel will be saved. This is obvious from the context of the verse: only the repentant will be saved. I do not disagree with this.


This quote is from after the war ended. After the war is over, whoever remains has been saved. And all the people that are left represent the new entirety of the nation. The trick is becoming one of the remainder.


It's called tunnel vision.

JPS notes on Isaiah 59:20. 'Those in Jacob who turn back from sin: It is the penitent Israelites, not the whole nation, who will enjoy the salvation long predicted and thus far delayed.'

The penitent are Israelites, the whole nation is Jacob. So, the difference between the two is based on who 'turn back from sin'.

Then I want to know from what sin the Israelite must repent.

If the trick is to be one of the remainder after the war, what do you think enables a person to remain and not be a casualty?