How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[rosends]

@Harel13

Or, alternately, "God's name is Mark" because the alef is "el" and the tav means "mark."

I see God's name as "Mark" to be metaphorical because God's name is Steve.

 

[ayin]

Oxen aren't on crosses.

Why don't you see the figurative?

Goats are also sacrifices. None is ultimate.

For if the blood of goats and oxen and the ashes of a young cow, sprinkled on the defiled, sanctifies to purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your consciences from dead works to serve the living God!
Heb. 9:13-14

 

[rosends]

Why don't you see the figurative?

Why don't you see how ridiculous the figurative you invent is?

For if the blood of goats and oxen and the ashes of a young cow, sprinkled on the defiled, sanctifies to purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your consciences from dead works to serve the living God!
Heb. 9:13-14

I'll quote Harry Potter if you'd like. Or maybe some Hamlet. It is about as relevant.

 

[dybmh]

God in His divine nature cannot die, but God in His human nature he could. YHWH became man, and as man he was crucified.
Zech 12:10 And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and supplication; and they will look upon me whom they have pierced, and they will mourn over him like the mourning over the only son, and bitterly grieve over him as one bitterly grieves over the firstborn.

This doesn't say that God can become a man.

 

[Skywalker]

So alef is an ox, but the actual letter's name is El which is God, so God is an ox. I thought we left all that bull in Egypt.

Elohim is a plural word. The Jewish word Elohim hints at the Trinity. It's the plural form of the word eloah. The word Elohim is in the very first sentence of the Bible.

 

[dybmh]

Yes, the original name of the first letter was El. Hebrew Alphabet Chart |

This isn't very convincing. You'll need something stronger than a chart on a website to change the name of the letter from Aleph to El.

In the Hebrew language, God is symbolic called an ox for its strength. Also because the ox was used as a sacrifice in the Tanakh God is called an ox for God is the final and ultimate sacrifice. He is the ox on the cross.
God is of course not literally an ox. God is also called lion, leopard, bear, and rock in the Tanakh, but only symbolic and not literally.

You're claiming that God is symbolically called an Ox, but your link doesn't show that at all. Where on the link does it say that? In fact, the link makes a stronger case to claim the opposite. Besides, if you're claiming that Jesus was an Ox, then that weakens the claim that Jesus was the lamb led to slaughter in Isaiah 53:7. So which is it? Is Jesus a lamb or an ox?

 

[Skywalker]

This doesn't say that God can become a man.

God became a man when he appeared to Abraham in the tent. The Bible doesn't describe Abraham's experience as a vision. Abraham plead to God for Sodom and Gommorah. He had a relationship with God. It wasnt a vision.

 

[dybmh]

Elohim is a plural word. The Jewish word Elohim hints at the Trinity. It's the plural form of the word eloah. The word Elohim is in the very first sentence of the Bible.

And yet, anytime the Tanach talks about the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, it always uses the singular.

 

[dybmh]

God became a man when he appeared to Abraham in the tent. The Bible doesn't describe Abraham's experience as a vision. Abraham plead to God for Sodom and Gommorah. He had a relationship with God. It wasnt a vision.

If you'd like to discuss it, please quote the verse and look for the name of God in the verse. If I recall correctly the verse says "messanger".

 

[rosends]

Elohim is a plural word. The Jewish word Elohim hints at the Trinity. It's the plural form of the word eloah. The word Elohim is in the very first sentence of the Bible.

You don't know much of Hebrew, do you?
The word elohim can be a singular or a plural. One looks at the verb, pronoun or adjective to see. In the first sentence of the bible, the verb is in the singular so the noun is in the singular.

 

[dybmh]

Why don't you see the figurative

Are you looking for a figurative Messiah or a real one?

For if the blood of goats and oxen and the ashes of a young cow, sprinkled on the defiled, sanctifies to purity of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your consciences from dead works to serve the living God!
Heb. 9:13-14

Why don't you see that this is circular reasoning?

Bringing a quote from the New Testament only shows that the author of the New Testament believes your claim. The New Testament can't be used as a evidence of its own claims. It's the weakest of the weak arguments.

 

[Skywalker]

Not as a godperson equal to the other two.

The Spirit of the Lord hovering over the water mirrors the Holy Spirit breathing life into Jesus.

 

[Skywalker]

Adam, of course, was not a Christian, but you might want to look at Luke 3:38.

Adam was a Christian, because Job was around before Christianity, yet he believed in the coming mediator and redeemer Messiah.

 

[Skywalker]

What are the differences?

Messianic Jews and Hebrew Christians often use the term Yeshua, but they don't believe that it's a name more sacred than the English Jesus.

 

[Skywalker]

And yet, anytime the Tanach talks about the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, it always uses the singular.

In John 8:58 Jesus said before Abraham was, I am. He wasn't talking about God in the triune sense all the time.

 

[Skywalker]

You don't know much of Hebrew, do you?
The word elohim can be a singular or a plural. One looks at the verb, pronoun or adjective to see. In the first sentence of the bible, the verb is in the singular so the noun is in the singular.

In the Bible verse let us make man in our image, Elohim is used in the plural. The verse about God creating the heaven and the earth does not reference Elohim.

 

[rosends]

In the Bible verse let us make man in our image, Elohim is used in the plural. The verse about God creating the heaven and the earth does not reference Elohim.

Yes, that verse has a plural, but it isn't involved with the word elohim. The text reads
And Elohim said "Let us make man in our image". Elohim is still singular (as evidenced by the "said" verb which is in the singular). If I say to my class "let's make ice cream sundaes that we can eat" I am still singular.

 

[Skywalker]

Yes, that verse has a plural, but it isn't involved with the word elohim. The text reads
And Elohim said "Let us make man in our image". Elohim is still singular (as evidenced by the "said" verb which is in the singular). If I say to my class "let's make ice cream sundaes that we can eat" I am still singular.

Elohim itself is a plural word. There doesn't have to be a mention of the Trinity for there to be a plural word.

 

[Skywalker]

If you'd like to discuss it, please quote the verse and look for the name of God in the verse. If I recall correctly the verse says "messanger".

The Son of God is sometimes called the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament, and angel means messenger.

 

[rosends]

Elohim itself is a plural word. There doesn't have to be a mention of the Trinity for there to be a plural word.

No, it is not a plural word. It is a word which can be plural and can be singular. When it is used as a singular, it is singular. When it is used as a plural, it is plural. English has words like this also:

"Please give the fish its food"

and

"Please give the fish their food"

In the first case, the word "fish" is a singular word. In the second, it is a plural word. The pronoun clarifies.