How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?

[rosends]

Santa has nothing to do with the Bible. Santa is a copycat of Jesus.

Yes, he copies the idea of giving a gift to those who choose the convenient path of belief in him. Exactly my point. Thank you.

 

[Skywalker]

Yes, he copies the idea of giving a gift to those who choose the convenient path of belief in him. Exactly my point. Thank you.

How is believing in the gift of salvation a belief of convenience? God gave many blessings to his creation, We have thousands of taste buds that we don't need to eat food. Wouldn't the God who blessed us with that give us the gift of salvation?

 

[rosends]

How is believing in the gift of salvation a belief of convenience? God gave many blessings to his creation, We have thousands of taste buds that we don't need to eat food. Wouldn't the God who blessed us with that give us the gift of salvation?

The belief is a conveninece so that we get what we want, just like with Santa.

By the way, if we don't eat food, we die.

 

[Skywalker]

The belief is a conveninece so that we get what we want, just like with Santa.

By the way, if we don't eat food, we die.

Why do we have thousands of taste buds that make food tasty? The creation reveals that God is a God of blessings, not that that should be taken for granted.

 

[rosends]

Why do we have thousands of taste buds that make food tasty? The creation reveals that God is a God of blessings, not that that should be taken for granted.

Who is taking anything for granted? But remember, God doesn't owe us anything regardless of what he might have given us. If you want that salvation, you have to believe, so take that convenient path to getting what you want!

 

[Skywalker]

Who is taking anything for granted? But remember, God doesn't owe us anything regardless of what he might have given us. If you want that salvation, you have to believe, so take that convenient path to getting what you want!

How is putting God first convenient? It involves giving up your way of doing things. Coming as you are isn't really giving anything up because being your own god just leads to pride, but it does involve self sacrifice.

 

[rosends]

How is putting God first convenient? It involves giving up your way of doing things. Coming as you are isn't really giving anything up because being your own god just leads to pride, but it does involve self sacrifice.

It is a convenient way to get the gift you want. Being good isn't always easy but it is a convenience as it gets children their gift from Santa.

 

[Skywalker]

It is a convenient way to get the gift you want. Being good isn't always easy but it is a convenience as it gets children their gift from Santa.

People don't follow God to use God to get what they want. The reward of following God is God. Name it and claim it theology is not biblical. God is not a vending machine.

 

[rosends]

People don't follow God to use God to get what they want. The reward of following God is God. Name it and claim it theology is not biblical. God is not a vending machine.

And yet you said he has the greatest gift for people if they believe in him. Cha-ching!

 

[Skywalker]

And yet you said he has the greatest gift for people if they believe in him. Cha-ching!

That doesn't mean that people follow God to get what they want. While God isn't looking for perfect people, He is looking for people who are going to seek Him and strive.

 

[rosends]

He is looking for people who are going to seek Him and strive.

Because they know that that's going to get them the great gift which they want. You keep saying the same thing. Santa wants kids who try hard to be good -- he doesn't expect them to be perfectly good.

 

[Skywalker]

Because they know that that's going to get them the great gift which they want. You keep saying the same thing. Santa wants kids who try hard to be good -- he doesn't expect them to be perfectly good.

Having a relationship with God is about knowing God it's not about what God can do for you. The teaching that knowing God is about what God can do for you is the prosperity gospel. The similarities between Jesus and Santa are just details. Santa is not about knowing Jesus he's a commercial character.

 

[rosends]

Having a relationship with God is about knowing God it's not about what God can do for you. The teaching that knowing God is about what God can do for you is the prosperity gospel. The similarities between Jesus and Santa are just details. Santa is not about knowing Jesus he's a commercial character.

Both are about having a convenient belief to get a gift. Done and done. (ho ho ho)

 

[Skywalker]

Both are about having a convenient belief to get a gift. Done and done. (ho ho ho)

Following God is about giving him the glory that he deserves, not about getting what we want from God.

 

[rosends]

Following God is about giving him the glory that he deserves, not about getting what we want from God.

Belief is a convenient way to get what you want, a special gift.

 

[Skywalker]

Belief is a convenient way to get what you want, a special gift.

People seek God for the same reason that people have a relationship with their parents-because they are their parents, not so their parents can do things for them.

 

[YoursTrue]

Exactly, and which makes much more sense in that the reason Israel was being punished was because of being careless in regards to the Law, thus being punished through exile, and then at the end of Isaiah there's the demand by haShem that they must obey the Law-- or else.

Obviously, that pattern cannot literally be applied to Jesus, but that by using a more circular pattern the issue of "salvation" can take on a meaning that's not literally the same as what Isaiah was referring to, but a parallel could be drawn dealing with "salvation" in a spiritual sense.

I'm sorta stumbling over words above, so does any of that make sense to you?

Considering that according to scripture, Jesus not only performed miracles, but was put up on charges of blasphemy and put to death -- and then was seen in resurrection by his disciples, it clinches the matter for some, I would say.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Suffering Servant is Israel personified, thus having no direct connection to Jesus.

Again, serious theologians know this, but Pastor Joe may not.

Reminds me of something Billy Graham once wrote, namely that the Christian message is simple enough that even one dull-of-mind can understand but complicated enough to turn theologians' hair grey.

Which reminds me of a personal experience. But don't want to be in trouble for proselytizing, so suffice it for me to be reminded of that very good song, "Amazing Grace." I like the way Judy Collins sings it, also with a band of bagpipes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Because they know that that's going to get them the great gift which they want. You keep saying the same thing. Santa wants kids who try hard to be good -- he doesn't expect them to be perfectly good.

It all happened after Adam and Eve did what they were told not to do.

 

[rosends]

People seek God for the same reason that people have a relationship with their parents-because they are their parents, not so their parents can do things for them.

My parents never promised me some great gift if I believed in them.