How can any true Christian accept an Appointing of a gay bishop ?

[Duck]

Dang! Can't frubal you again, but bang on the head here!

Post pictures of ABBA then. Or maybe panties of some kind. We're starting a tradition.

 

[rusra02]

And what did Jesus teach us about homosexuality?

Some argue in favor of homosexuality, claiming that Jesus never spoke against it. But is that really so? Jesus Christ declared that God’s Word is truth. (John 17:17) That means that he endorsed God’s view of homosexuality as described at Leviticus 18:22, which reads: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.” Jesus listed fornication and adultery among the “wicked things [that] issue forth from within and defile a man.” (Mark 7:21-23) The Greek word for fornication,
por·nei′a, is a broader term than that for adultery. It describes all forms of sexual relations outside lawful marriage, including homosexuality. (Jude 7) Jesus Christ also warned his followers not to tolerate any professed Christian teacher who minimizes the seriousness of fornication.—Revelation 1:1; 2:14, 20.

 

[Duck]

Some argue in favor of homosexuality, claiming that Jesus never spoke against it. But is that really so? Jesus Christ declared that God’s Word is truth. (John 17:17) That means that he endorsed God’s view of homosexuality as described at Leviticus 18:22, which reads: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.” Jesus listed fornication and adultery among the “wicked things [that] issue forth from within and defile a man.” (Mark 7:21-23) The Greek word for fornication,
por·nei′a, is a broader term than that for adultery. It describes all forms of sexual relations outside lawful marriage, including homosexuality. (Jude 7) Jesus Christ also warned his followers not to tolerate any professed Christian teacher who minimizes the seriousness of fornication.—Revelation 1:1; 2:14, 20.

Did Jesus or did he not also "fulfill" the law?

In the event that he did, exactly WHICH laws did he fulfill. Bigots love to quote Leviticus at lgbt people, quite often while performing violence on them. Christian preachers love to quote Leviticus at lgbt people, quite often right before they claim that encouraging their flock to vote to strip lgbt people of secular rights is "loving" the sinner. When asked why the christian preachers, their flock and the bigots aren't also protesting the local Red Lobster, instead of having sunday brunch there, those people claim that Jesus fulfilled the law. When it is pointed out that the Leviticus quote regarding homosexuals is part of that law, these "holy" people squirm and get uncomfortable, and then seize on the idea that the Levitical prohibition was part of the "moral" law and Jesus only fulfilled the "purity" laws.

So if Jesus showed up and fulfilled the law, and said such things as: love god, and love your neighbor as yourself, from this the law proceeds (paraphrased I admit). Then WHY do christians keep brining up Leviticus? Was that or was that law not fulfilled?

If it wasn't fulfilled because its a MORAL law and not a PURITY law, could you provide me a list of which is which? I would like to know if I can gripe at my neighbor for not executing his disrespectful and disobedient 9 year old (the kid is obnoxious to his parents and other adults), surely respecting your parents would fall in the MORAL law realm because after all, isn't "honoring" your father and mother (part of which I think at least would include not being disrespectful) one of those things I seem to recall being on some tablet or other. You know one of ten things on stone. Something about Moses...

 

[Autodidact]

Dang! Can't frubal you again, but bang on the head here!

Thank you. This may help.

 

[Autodidact]

Some argue in favor of homosexuality, claiming that Jesus never spoke against it. But is that really so? Jesus Christ declared that God’s Word is truth. (John 17:17) That means that he endorsed God’s view of homosexuality as described at Leviticus 18:22, which reads: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.” Jesus listed fornication and adultery among the “wicked things [that] issue forth from within and defile a man.” (Mark 7:21-23) The Greek word for fornication,
por·nei′a, is a broader term than that for adultery. It describes all forms of sexual relations outside lawful marriage, including homosexuality. (Jude 7) Jesus Christ also warned his followers not to tolerate any professed Christian teacher who minimizes the seriousness of fornication.—Revelation 1:1; 2:14, 20.

So you're saying the Leviticus rules do apply to Christians then?
And that you support gay marriage?

 

[rusra02]

Did Jesus or did he not also "fulfill" the law?

In the event that he did, exactly WHICH laws did he fulfill. Bigots love to quote Leviticus at lgbt people, quite often while performing violence on them. Christian preachers love to quote Leviticus at lgbt people, quite often right before they claim that encouraging their flock to vote to strip lgbt people of secular rights is "loving" the sinner. When asked why the christian preachers, their flock and the bigots aren't also protesting the local Red Lobster, instead of having sunday brunch there, those people claim that Jesus fulfilled the law. When it is pointed out that the Leviticus quote regarding homosexuals is part of that law, these "holy" people squirm and get uncomfortable, and then seize on the idea that the Levitical prohibition was part of the "moral" law and Jesus only fulfilled the "purity" laws.

So if Jesus showed up and fulfilled the law, and said such things as: love god, and love your neighbor as yourself, from this the law proceeds (paraphrased I admit). Then WHY do christians keep brining up Leviticus? Was that or was that law not fulfilled?

If it wasn't fulfilled because its a MORAL law and not a PURITY law, could you provide me a list of which is which? I would like to know if I can gripe at my neighbor for not executing his disrespectful and disobedient 9 year old (the kid is obnoxious to his parents and other adults), surely respecting your parents would fall in the MORAL law realm because after all, isn't "honoring" your father and mother (part of which I think at least would include not being disrespectful) one of those things I seem to recall being on some tablet or other. You know one of ten things on stone. Something about Moses...

Yes, Jesus did fulfill the law and we are no longer under the Law of Moses today. However, the Law that Jesus was under and obeyed was the Law of Moses. And the Mosaic Law certainly helps us to see Jehovah's view relating to morality. The injunction against practicing homosexuality is also a law Christians must follow. (1 Corinthians 6:9,10) The apostle Paul was inspired to describe homosexual acts as expressions of “disgraceful sexual appetites” and as “contrary to nature.” He writes: “That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting.”—Romans 1:26-28.

The Scriptures offer no apologies, no concessions, no ambiguity; homosexual practices, adultery, fornication, are all repulsive in God’s sight. ​

 

[rusra02]

So you're saying the Leviticus rules do apply to Christians then?
And that you support gay marriage?

No, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law.

No, the Bible is clear that homosexual practices are disgraceful and are not acceptable to God.

 

[sandandfoam]

No, the Bible is clear that homosexual practices are disgraceful and are not acceptable to God.

And where does it say that a Christian may judge his fellow man?
Where does it outline the social conservatism of Christ

 

[kejos]

And where does it say that a Christian may judge his fellow man?

Is it seriously proposed that malefactors and criminals of every ilk can also be called saints?

 

[sandandfoam]

Is it seriously proposed that malefactors and criminals of every ilk can also be called saints?

Yes, that is exactly what Jesus showed us.

 

[rusra02]

And where does it say that a Christian may judge his fellow man?
Where does it outline the social conservatism of Christ

It is not judging someone to state what the Bible says as to how God views a particular course of conduct. There are many areas where what the Bible says is far different from what most people practice, to which many take offense.
True Christians do not judge others, leaving that to God. However, we are duty bound to speak the truth and not hide God's requirements.

I do not understand your second question or it's relevance. Jesus was concerned with doing his Father's will, not taking sides in political or social issues.

 

[sandandfoam]

It is not judging someone to state what the Bible says as to how God views a particular course of conduct. There are many areas where what the Bible says is far different from what most people practice, to which many take offense.
True Christians do not judge others, leaving that to God. However, we are duty bound to speak the truth and not hide God's requirements.

One can learn from the Bible, no doubt. But as soon as you claim to know the mind of God you presume to place yourself in a position superior to His.
I am skeptical of any human, religious or not, who claims knowledge of objective reality.

I do not understand your second question or it's relevance. Jesus was concerned with doing his Father's will, not taking sides in political or social issues.

On my reading, Jesus was a radical who took the side of the marginalised and the oppressed. Jesus loved the outcasts. He set the path for us to follow.
We are also told that above all else we should love one another.
That is THE social issue. Anything other than expressing love for my fellow beings is something far less than Christian to my mind. The more marginalised or oppressed the group the more a Christian should seek to help them.

 

[kejos]

Yes, that is exactly what Jesus showed us.

So when he told his disciples to pray, "Do not lead us into temptation," he was only joking. Should have known.

 

[sandandfoam]

So when he told his disciples to pray, "Do not lead us into temptation," he was only joking. Should have known.

That's actually an excellent point.
Is not the desire to express ones own views as God's a temptation?

Also if you're paying close attention to what He said, why are you apparently content to ignore the bit about above all else loving others?

 

[kejos]

That's actually an excellent point.

Indeed- quite thought-provoking.

Is not the desire to express ones own views as God's a temptation?

Undoubtedly. The carnal mind, the indelible mark of the saint.

Also if you're paying close attention to what He said, why are you apparently content to ignore the bit about above all else loving others?

Ah, but I don't. I have always insisted that prayer meetings include at least ten minutes in intercession for my bank robberies.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

It is not judging someone to state what the Bible says as to how God views a particular course of conduct.

What a pathetic cop out on your part.

Judging people is exactly what you are doing. You are simply using the religion to justify your bigotry toward a group of people that practice an act that you find disgusting.

I've watched you (and a couple of others) post in this thread, using a text written by mortal men in an appeal to authority to claim that you have a higher moral plane from which to preach intolerance toward people that you don't even know.

For those that follow the Christian religion that do practice tolerance, I salute you. For those of you that simply cherry pick your holy text to practice a blatant form of hypocritical bigotry, I have nothing but contempt. If your religious views are correct, I have absolutely no doubt that it is you (and those like you) that will burn in hell.

While you continue to spew your mindless hatred, I'll be glad to offer an apology (on your behalf) to those homosexuals that walk among us. I certainly hope that they don't judge the rest of the straight community based on your actions.

For what it's worth, your posts are serving some good. I am having my teenage son and daughter read them, as an abject lesson in intolerance and bigotry.

 

[Duck]

What a pathetic cop out on your part.

Judging people is exactly what you are doing. You are simply using the religion to justify your bigotry toward a group of people that practice an act that you find disgusting.

I've watched you (and a couple of others) post in this thread, using a text written by mortal men in an appeal to authority to claim that you have a higher moral plane from which to preach intolerance toward people that you don't even know.

For those that follow the Christian religion that do practice tolerance, I salute you. For those of you that simply cherry pick your holy text to practice a blatant form of hypocritical bigotry, I have nothing but contempt. If your religious views are correct, I have absolutely no doubt that it is you (and those like you) that will burn in hell.

While you continue to spew your mindless hatred, I'll be glad to offer an apology (on your behalf) to those homosexuals that walk among us. I certainly hope that they don't judge the rest of the straight community based on your actions.

For what it's worth, your posts are serving some good. I am having my teenage son and daughter read them, as an abject lesson in intolerance and bigotry.

OMG Marry me. Just kidding, it isn't legal for me both because of my job and because of where I live.

Truthfully, I don't judge the straight community by the words and actions of the bigots. I increasingly assume that this is the attitude I can expect from anyone styling themselves as christian, conservative or republican. My best friend (who doesn't really fit any of those categories beyond being "christian" (much more Jeffersonian than not though) ) gets on me quite a bit and warns me continually that I am pretty close to turning into what I hate.

So I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but it is increasingly difficult to do so.

 

[sojourner]

Thank you. This may help.

"Does your mother know?"

 

[sojourner]

However, the Law that Jesus was under and obeyed was the Law of Moses

Except when he disobeyed it because following it was harmful...

And the Mosaic Law certainly helps us to see Jehovah's view relating to morality.

Right. Stone and judge and shun and cast out. That's morality, all right. What Mosaic Law helps us to see is the ancient Hebrews' POV.

The injunction against practicing homosexuality is also a law Christians must follow.

It's not a morality issue, though, it's part of the purity laws, which we are don't have to follow.

The Scriptures offer no apologies, no concessions, no ambiguity; homosexual practices, adultery, fornication, are all repulsive in God’s sight.

Condemnation is likewise repulsive to God. Shall we err on the side of love and acceptance, or on the side of Puritanism?

 

[sojourner]

True Christians do not judge others, leaving that to God. However, we are duty bound to speak the truth and not hide God's requirements.

God requires that we love and accept everyone. That's the second commandment upon which all the Law and the prophets depend.