How can any true Christian not accept a gay Bishop?

[Pegg]

I find it rather interesting that you can divorce over idolatry but not for your spouse beating the hell out you.

the Apostle Paul spoke about 'separation' of married couples as being acceptable and there could be many reasons why a wife or husband might 'depart'...God does not expect anyone to suffer just because he hates divorce. 1 Corinthians 7:10-16: “To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband"

It could be that the abusive partner has some mental problem which causes them to act in such a way...well thats not a reason for divorce but it certainly is a reason to separate.

 

[sojourner]

all i can say is that as Jesus was a follower of the Mosaic law, he also accepted the laws as they were. The laws against homosexual activity are undeniable.

Leviticus 20:13 “When a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing. They should be put to death without fail. Their own blood is upon them.”

The christians maintained their belief that the practice of homosexuality (and other forms of sexual misconduct) was against Gods will at
Romans 1:26-28 26 "That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. 28 And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting"

So i really cant see how a christian could justify the idea that homosexuality is permitted in christianity. Christianity is about following Jesus and living by Gods standards of morality. Gods view is what a christian needs to take into consideration.

Pegg,
Here is a copy from a post I made in another thread that should be of interest to you:

There are only eight passages in the Bible that could refer to what we, in post-modern American culture, might refer to as homosexuality -- only five for sure, and none of them discuss the issue at any length.

The same-sex activity referred to in the Bible doesn't refer to what we would normally mean by "homosexuality." There were homosexual acts that took place, but there wasn't the understanding of sexual orientation that we have today.

Leviticus condemns such activity for reasons that were particular to the context of ancient Israel, especially in relationship to the Holiness code. some concerns were centered around fertility and population; some were centered around the maintenance of gender superiority. Some were tied to the idea that shame and honor were imbedded in sexual identity.

One important issue was purity -- specifically ritual impurity. This is the same concern that dictates against having relations with a woman during her menstrual cycle.

Since we no longer have the population issues prevalent in ancient Israel; since we have thrown out many of the purity laws (such as millions of us watching Sunday afternoon football, where many men handle a dead pigskin -- a true Levitican taboo) it is hard to fathom that we still choose to condemn homosexuality.

In Paul's time, same-sex activity was common. Often it was used as a rite of passage, where male youths were subjected as passive partners to older men of power. When the boys became adult, they would switch roles, get married and have children.

This stands in stark contrast to the kind of homosexual relationships that are shared between consenting adults today.

 

[GODISLOVE]

This thread is a direct counter-attack to the thread with the opposite name.

To be a Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ. Jesus never said one word about homosexuality being wrong, but he did say, "love your neighbor" not "hate your neighbor because he is different". In that respect, the gay or lesbian Christians are better Christians as they are not the ones spewing hatred.

Clearly u hav not read the bible were it says that bing gay is an abonination. God loves all his children but gays need to realise that what they doing is wrong.

 

[sandandfoam]

Clearly u hav not read the bible were it says that bing gay is an abonination. God loves all his children but gays need to realise that what they doing is wrong.

Blather.

Being a bigot or a homophobe is the way God made us.
Jesus gave us the message - look down on your fellow man because you are better than him
He also recommended we judge others and spread hate because that's how he likes it.
To make absolutely certain he went out of his way to avoid those against whom his society held prejudice. He would have nothing to do with Samaritans or tax collectors and the mere mention of a woman was enough to make him explode in temper.

So now, once again, with all this tolerance and inclusiveness nonsense behind us we can forget about that loving stuff and get on with the business of oppressing those who deserve it.
Just like Jesus showed us :no:

 

[sandandfoam]

Clearly u hav not read the bible were it says that bing gay is an abonination. God loves all his children but gays need to realise that what they doing is wrong.

ROFL
Brilliant!! - I see this is your first post 'God is love'
Like the name !!!
Lads, if I could only be drunk I'd laugh for a week

 

[GODISLOVE]

Blather.

Being a bigot or a homophobe is the way God made us.
Jesus gave us the message - look down on your fellow man because you are better than him
He also recommended we judge others and spread hate because that's how he likes it.
To make absolutely certain he went out of his way to avoid those against whom his society held prejudice. He would have nothing to do with Samaritans or tax collectors and the mere mention of a woman was enough to make him explode in temper.

So now, once again, with all this tolerance and inclusiveness nonsense behind us we can forget about that loving stuff and get on with the business of oppressing those who deserve it.
Just like Jesus showed us :no:

look, just saying that leviticus says being gay is wrong. would you have sex with your aunt or dog? no? Then why have sex with same gender - clearly baaaaddd. take a chill pill.

 

[GODISLOVE]

ROFL
Brilliant!! - I see this is your first post 'God is love'
Like the name !!!
Lads, if I could only be drunk I'd laugh for a week

Nice 2 meet u 2.

 

[sandandfoam]

would you have sex with your aunt or dog?

Have to say if it was you me and a desert island the dog would have reason to be worried :yes:

 

[GODISLOVE]

Have to say if it was you me and a desert island the dog would have reason to be worried :yes:

is it my face?

 

[GODISLOVE]

not my fault that gay people are being evil and are possessed by Satan because they is evil. why u ppl being so mean 2 me?

 

[LuisDantas]

Many of us are disgusted by homophoby.

And quite a few, both Christians and non-Christians, strongly disagree with the claim that there is anything inherently wrong with homosexuality, be it by biblical criteria or otherwise.

Please remember that homosexuals are people just like anyone else.

 

[McBell]

the reason being that God cannot forgive someone who is not seeking forgiveness.

Seems the God you paint is a bit of an egomaniac.

 

[McBell]

the Apostle Paul spoke about 'separation' of married couples as being acceptable and there could be many reasons why a wife or husband might 'depart'...God does not expect anyone to suffer just because he hates divorce. 1 Corinthians 7:10-16: “To the married people I give instructions, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not depart from her husband; but if she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up again with her husband"

Interesting, but rather irrelevant to the fact that she cannot get a Biblical divorce.

It could be that the abusive partner has some mental problem which causes them to act in such a way...well thats not a reason for divorce but it certainly is a reason to separate.

Or it could be that the abusive partner is just a plain old fashioned jack *** who honestly believes that the woman is his property, just like those back in time the Bibe was written believed.

 

[McBell]

Clearly u hav not read the bible were it says that bing gay is an abonination.

Really?
Where does the Bible say that being gay is an abomination?

It is not Leviticus 18:22 as being gay is not even mentioned.
And Leviticus 20:13 mentions only two men having sex.
So neither of those verses mentions a thing about being gay.

So you will needs present the verse(s) that you think condemn being gay.

 

[McBell]

look, just saying that leviticus says being gay is wrong.

I have already asked for the specific verses you think supports this claim.

would you have sex with your aunt or dog?

What does incest and bestiality have to do with the thread?

Then why have sex with same gender

Because some people are attracted to the same gender whilst others are not.

- clearly baaaaddd.

Source please.

 

[McBell]

not my fault that gay people are being evil and are possessed by Satan because they is evil.

source please.

why u ppl being so mean 2 me?

Because you are trying to use the bible to justify your bigotry and homophobia.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I was raised Episcopalian- Gay Bishops= No Problem

 

[ChristineES]

I think we are all talking around the whole issue. It isn't whether someone is gay or not, it is more than that. I don't know and I don't care if homosexuality is a sin or not. Sin is sin, someone pointed out, and yes, that is true. But, a big but, who is without any sin? It has been made perfectly clear that no one is without sin. Every time we (Americans) eat a Thanksgiving meal, we are committing the sin of gluttony. Every time we look at an attractive person lustfully, we are sinning. Every time we say we hate our brother or sister, we are sinning. Those are all against Jesus commands, aren't they? There are scores more.
The fact: Jesus told us to take the log out of our own eye and then we would see clearly to remove the splinter out of our brothers' (and sisters') eyes. So if someone else is sinning, then we are not supposed to judge them, we are to examine our own lives, to look at our own sins. That is a command that Jesus made, not I, not any preacher.
So if sodomy, or just being gay is a sin or if it is not a sin is not the issue. We all sin. Don't you think that if I were to believe that something is not a sin and it turns out that it is that God would forgive me? Or any of you? God has forgiven worse things than that. He forgave Manasseh for killing so many people their blood ran into the streets. Jesus forgave Peter for denying him, and without Peter even asking.

 

[sojourner]

Clearly u hav not read the bible were it says that bing gay is an abonination. God loves all his children but gays need to realise that what they doing is wrong.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the culture and world view of ancient Israel and ancient Greeks.

 

[sojourner]

look, just saying that leviticus says being gay is wrong. would you have sex with your aunt or dog? no? Then why have sex with same gender - clearly baaaaddd. take a chill pill.

Why does Leviticus say it's wrong? do the cultural norms and particulars of ancient Israel translate to post-modern America? No.