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How can someone be a male and be a feminist at the same time?

Alceste

Vagabond
Considering that you have failed to provide evidence for your objection to my initial statement, would it be fair to say that you're unwilling to admit that you hold a position which you simply can't back up, and yet follow blindly?

My opinion of anyone who believes that women shouldn't be taking precautions when violent crime is so high in South Africa is very clear. It's a shame you're in that category.

Would it be fair to say you get pathologically offended and lose your ability to reason when your ideas are rejected?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Considering that you have failed to provide evidence for your objection to my initial statement, would it be fair to say that you're unwilling to admit that you hold a position which you simply can't back up, and yet follow blindly?

My opinion of anyone who believes that women shouldn't be taking precautions when violent crime is so high in South Africa is very clear. It's a shame you're in that category.

And what would that be? I've only heard your opinion of the women who don't "take precautions," which is that they're "stupid."

(I still don't know what those "precautions" are supposed to be, though. Maybe you could also clarify that?)
 

sunni56

Active Member
And what would that be? I've only heard your opinion of the women who don't "take precautions," which is that they're "stupid."

(I still don't know what those "precautions" are supposed to be, though. Maybe you could also clarify that?)
Not really, that is only one of my opinions. There is another one that you disputed with no evidence for...you know...when I said that I have no idea whether there might a male rapist in the world who's motivation is his sexual urge...? You disputed that claim with no evidence. You either agree with me, or you disagree with some substance...this isn't a school playground where saying something, ipso facto means it's correct :)
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Not really, that is only one of my opinions. There is another one that you disputed with no evidence for...you know...when I said that I have no idea whether there might a male rapist in the world who's motivation is his sexual urge...? You disputed that claim with no evidence. You either agree with me, or you disagree with some substance...this isn't a school playground where saying something, ipso facto means it's correct :)

Well, it does seem that you think I have to agree with you and concede a straw man that I didn't claim in the first place.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
 

sunni56

Active Member
Well, it does seem that you think I have to agree with you and concede a straw man that I didn't claim in the first place.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
No need for the strawman. You don't have to agree. What you do have to do though, is provide evidence, unless you're blindly rejecting my viewpoint...?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
No need for the strawman. You don't have to agree. What you do have to do though, is provide evidence, unless you're blindly rejecting my viewpoint...?

I agree with your opinion that you honestly have no idea why some men rape women.

I disagree with your opinion that female rape victims are stupid for not taking precautions, with the disclaimer that the original precaution we were discussing is wearing a shapeless sack to conceal your entire person in public.

Since rape is about violence and domination rather than sexual arousal, a sack will not help you. The only precaution that will help you is to look less weak than the woman beside you.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
No need for the strawman. You don't have to agree. What you do have to do though, is provide evidence, unless you're blindly rejecting my viewpoint...?

Evidence for my opinion—that sexual desire is often not the primary motivator for rape? Okay. Here you go again (hopefully my effort to repost this doesn't go to waste again):

I have already answered it more than once.

And as I said, more than one link has been presented to you so far:


See here from a report at the Center for Sex Offender Management.



No mention of anyone getting horny. It's an act of violence.

Sure I did. Here, try another:



Source

Care to address any of those?
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
I disagree with your opinion that female rape victims are stupid for not taking precautions, with the disclaimer that the original precaution we were discussing is wearing a shapeless sack to conceal your entire person in public.
I would like to add to this. The idea that a rapist is a stranger is not true. To my understanding, its often someone the victim knows and trusts. Its hard to take precaution in that case, especially if its someone you regard as family.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I would like to add to this. The idea that a rapist is a stranger is not true. To my understanding, its often someone the victim knows and trusts. Its hard to take precaution in that case, especially if its someone you regard as family.

Yes, that seems to be true. I think between pedophiles and domination sex offenders, as opposed to anger motivated rapists, the victims are likely to be well known to the perpetrator, and those categories together make up the bulk of offenses according to the research that has been presented in this thread.

The hate motivated and sadistic rapists are a different story, but thankfully much less common.
 
As the saying goes, feminism is the radical idea that women are human beings.

You don't need to be a woman to believe in equality. I am male, and I feminist because I believe in absolute equality between all human beings in this modern world of ours.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Well that's a fact in some areas of the world. It doesn't matter how you spin it, in South Africa for example, rape is through the roof, it's out of control. So yes, a person could argue (successfully in the case of South Africa) that men simply can't control their sexual urges.

'can not control' is not equal to 'do not control'.
You probably meant 'unsuccessfully'.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Once again, I am talking about violence in general, not only sexual violence. Rape is a sub-category of the greater category: violence. It is not about sex. If it were about sex a dirty magazine and a bottle of lotion would get the job done much more easily than forcing your will on another human being.

Rape is violence, not sex. Violence is learned behavior.

The sooner you understand this point (I've made it three times now) the better.

Considering how the erection works ( we are talking about men raping women, right? ) I don't think we can so easily discard 'sexual arousal' from the equation. But this is certainly far from saying it is sufficient to make a rape happen.

Rape is violence and sex.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Considering how the erection works ( we are talking about men raping women, right? ) I don't think we can so easily discard 'sexual arousal' from the equation. But this is certainly far from saying it is sufficient to make a rape happen.

Rape is violence and sex.

The point is that rapists are sexually aroused by the violence and domination. Not the mere sight of an attractive female.

Normal, healthy men who are aroused by the sight of an attractive female buy her a drink.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I would like to add to this. The idea that a rapist is a stranger is not true. To my understanding, its often someone the victim knows and trusts. Its hard to take precaution in that case, especially if its someone you regard as family.

Yesterday I was looking at rape stats in Idaho (don't ask!) and about 70% of the 1700 victims per annum knew the attacker. Until yesterday I thought rapists were strangers....... not so, it seems.....
 
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