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How can someone be a male and be a feminist at the same time?

dust1n

Zindīq
He used that one quote but referenced an entire list of quotes of women who have claimed to be feminist. They are actors, teachers, theorist, etc. I do agree though that no one would actually publish anything like that in a scholarly text, although I wouldn’t be surprised if people do. That is kind of like a well-known scientist posting a blog entitled “Creationist and brainless chimps”. It does nothing to promote science, just their own politically driven agenda to slander one group to make another look better. It does nothing to help promote feminism as a theory or philosophy. Which is why its better to view it in a historical context. I can understand why women would say stuff like that, but oversimplified generalizations are just stupid generalizations I guess. That fact that there are some feminist who do hold such views and are feminist is enough to make me think twice about any group of people that claim to be feminist.

Let's look at these "quotes:"

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

Going too far (Open Library)

I can already feel this one is taken out of context, since it's from a book about all different attitudes of feminism. I don't know the context, cause the book ain't there. I can't find the context, cause the book ain't free.

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

Already talked about this one.

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

First of all, if you look up this quote or try to find out where it's from, all you get is page after page of anti-feminist sites making reference to this passage, but not referencing which writing this is included. That being said, I can't find it. How do I actually even know she said it, let alone figure out the context?

That being said, since it's Dworkin, if this is a true quote, she was most like talking about pornography in that sense that women are portrayed this. The "I want to see..." is a proactive statement meant to show how this type of imagery is used against women not men. That would be first my assumption. But since I can't even find out which writing this quote is even from, I can't even examine it.

“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller

Against Our Will

Written in 1971. She talks about from prehistoric times leading to '71. Just to give you an idea of the history of rape and so fourth at this time:

"Since the 1970s many changes have occurred in the perception of sexual assault due in large part to the feminist movement and its public characterization of rape as a crime of power and control rather than purely of sex. In some countries the women's liberation movement of the 1970s created the first rape crisis centers. This movement was led by the National Organization for Women (NOW). One of the first two rape crisis centers, the D.C. Rape Crisis Center ([4]), opened in 1972."

History of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the majority of the world, women have no access to any legitimate civil recourse towards a rape, and might actually themselves be charged with a crime.

That being said. I don't agree with her wording that 'all men' do anything to 'all women.'

“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

An actress... really?

“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]Claim: Feminist Catharine MacKinnon said "All sex is rape."

Status: False.

snopes.com: Catherine MacKinnon 'All Sex is Rape' Quote
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“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

Again, can't find it. Anywhere on the internet. I can't find the article she supposedly wrote. The only real place I see reference to is Wikipedia, but the guy who mentioned it just added and didn't put any reference to it. So I have no way of even confirming if this is real or not.


In fact, since I couldn't confirmed (and since it isn't referenced) a Wiki member can remove the claim. So I did.

Sally Miller Gearhart: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

Yea, I legitimately can't say anything about that one. The only thing I can say is that isn't a feminist writer or someone anyone looks to for feminism. She's just "assistant dean of student life at Vassar." And that was interview in a newspaper, not writing. She doesn't write anything.

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

French's 1977 novel, The Women's Room, follows the lives of Mira and her friends in 1950s and 1960s America, including Val, a militant radical feminist. The novel portrays the details of the lives of women at this time and also the feminist movement of this era in the United States. At one point in the book the character Val says "all men are rapists". This quote has often been incorrectly attributed to Marilyn French herself. French's first book was a thesis on James Joyce.

Marilyn French - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Her character said in a fictional novel, not her.

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release. The problem of recidivism ought to have shown young men like John Greenaway just what sort of a notion security is, but there is no indication that he would understand it. Security is when everything is settled, when nothing can happen to you; security is the denial of life. Human beings are better equipped to cope with disaster and hardship than they are with unvarying security, but as long as security is the highest value in a community they can have little opportunity to decide this for themselves.” - Greer, The Female Eunuch

Grasping for more straws in fictional works that really have nothing to do with feminism at all! My goodness, what a shock.





Okay, so like 2 or maybe 3 of those quotes mean anything like what it insists it means. Not very easy to find 2 or 3 amongst thousands of feminist texts.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
It's okay. The safe bet is to go to google and type in "feminists hate men" and go to the first link and copy down those quotes and just assume they are right. The people who take time to actually investigate claims are full of delusions and distortions. If only they were like me and used google, I mean critical thinking, to blindly accept whatever view on the internet happens to be out there.
 

uberrobonomicon4000

Active Member
Okay, so like 2 or maybe 3 of those quotes mean anything like what it insists it means. Not very easy to find 2 or 3 amongst thousands of feminist texts.
It's okay. The safe bet is to go to google and type in "feminists hate men" and go to the first link and copy down those quotes and just assume they are right. The people who take time to actually investigate claims are full of delusions and distortions. If only they were like me and used google, I mean critical thinking, to blindly accept whatever view on the internet happens to be out there.
I don’t have to do a Google search. I can turn on the TV and listen to people spew their crap about men all day long.

I can go to the local store and see retarded phrases like “All men are stupid” with other similar idiotic phrases.

I can watch people on this forum make excuses for feminism then have guys tell me and others they claim to be die-hard feminist. To the point, that you will believe if you aren’t a feminist you are against women and everything against women is anti-feminism. What a joke.

Sorry bro, you are not a feminist! You’ve just been duped.

But you can continue to believe you are a feminist. That is fine by me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings.
 

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
I don’t have to do a Google search. I can turn on the TV and listen to people spew their crap about men all day long.

I can go to the local store and see retarded phrases like “All men are stupid” with other similar idiotic phrases.

I can watch people on this forum make excuses for feminism then have guys tell me and others they claim to be die-hard feminist. To the point, that you will believe if you aren’t a feminist you are against women and everything against women is anti-feminism. What a joke.

Sorry bro, you are not a feminist! You’ve just been duped.

But you can continue to believe you are a feminist. That is fine by me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings.

Well, I'm convinced.

PbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA I'm sorry. I couldn't sell that lie. I tried, I really did. Whoooooo boy. Man that was hilarious...
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I don’t have to do a Google search. I can turn on the TV and listen to people spew their crap about men all day long.

I can go to the local store and see retarded phrases like “All men are stupid” with other similar idiotic phrases.

I can watch people on this forum make excuses for feminism then have guys tell me and others they claim to be die-hard feminist. To the point, that you will believe if you aren’t a feminist you are against women and everything against women is anti-feminism. What a joke.

Sorry bro, you are not a feminist! You’ve just been duped.

But you can continue to believe you are a feminist. That is fine by me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings.

Sorry bro. I am a feminist. I read feminist texts (well have). I've been to feminist rallies. I've dated feminists and would only ever date one again. I personally don't care if you think this is true or not, everyone one else in the world does and knows exactly what I mean when I say it. If you have a problem with guys being with feminist, than it's your problem and no one else feels any effect from that.

Enjoy your reality alone. Me taking this thread seriously any longer ends here. Later.

I'm not going to spend anymore of my time going through this topic for 70 pages because someone lacks the maturity to even know how to debate or talk about an issue, discern evidence.
 
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Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I don't get why you have to be female to be a feminist. That's like saying only females can care about females.
 

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
Sorry bro. I am a feminist. I read feminist texts (well have). I've been to feminist rallies. I've dated feminists and would only ever date one again. I personally don't care if you think this is true or not, everyone one else in the world does and knows exactly what I mean when I say it. If you have a problem with guys being with feminist, than it's your problem and no one else feels any effect from that.

Enjoy your reality alone. Me taking this thread seriously any longer ends here. Later.

I'm not going to spend anymore of my time going through this topic for 70 pages because someone lacks the maturity to even know how to debate or talk about an issue, discern evidence.

Dude, he totally went to the store... what more do you need?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Dude, he totally went to the store... what more do you need?

If I wasn't convinced this was just a young guy, I'd totally think that this entire thread was one giant trolling session. But really, I must refrain from saying too much about it anymore...
 

uberrobonomicon4000

Active Member
I don't get why you have to be female to be a feminist. That's like saying only females can care about females.
Because it has historical ties that involve women progressives for equal rights.

"All men were dumb, dumb, dumb heads".

I don't know how feminism applies to modern, everyday society and no one has taken the time to explain this to me.
 

uberrobonomicon4000

Active Member
Sorry bro. I am a feminist. I read feminist texts (well have). I've been to feminist rallies. I've dated feminists and would only ever date one again. I personally don't care if you think this is true or not, everyone one else in the world does and knows exactly what I mean when I say it. If you have a problem with guys being with feminist, than it's your problem and no one else feels any effect from that.

Enjoy your reality alone. Me taking this thread seriously any longer ends here. Later.

I'm not going to spend anymore of my time going through this topic for 70 pages because someone lacks the maturity to even know how to debate or talk about an issue, discern evidence.
Well tell me what the feminist rally was like. I would like for you share some of your experiences and expertise with me.
 

uberrobonomicon4000

Active Member
No thanks. I no longer wish to discuss the matter any longer. Good luck in your inquiry.
That’s fine. I would like to thank you though for furthering this debate.

I’m just trying to find real world solutions to real world problems.

It has nothing to with prejudice against men or women.
 

uberrobonomicon4000

Active Member
It's a real world problem that men call themselves feminists?
Is it a real world problem when feminism doesn’t involve women, equal rights and the right to protest or speak out against oppression?

If feminism is a movement, then women don't need a man (or men) to hold their hand during protests. They are more than capable of protesting on their own accord.

Why would a feminist movement involve men?
 
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