How Can We Identify True Worship?

[savagewind]

Christ returned in 1914 and found the Bible Students doing good so God chose them to lead the world out of sin.
The current structure of the Jehovah's Witnesses did not appear until 2012.

 

[savagewind]

Speaking of honesty....Who is your teacher? Yourself?

Please tell us how people were taught before Russel in 1870 and before Rutherford in 1917 and while you're at it tell us how you will be taught when your teachers have left with Jesus.

No Christians can exist in isolation away from their spiritual family. (Heb 10:24, 25) Who is your spiritual family?

A great cloud of witnesses. Hebrews 12. Do you remember reading that, "all are alive to Jehovah"? Jesus now has the authority to make alive. Yes or no? If I stay by Jesus I am present with his cloud of witnesses. Am I not?

How often do you meet with them?....especially since the day is drawing ever nearer.

well, I am posting every day so I meet with them every day.

Are you in full agreement with what they believe? (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Of course! You are right about a couple of things and to be in agreement with them is one good thing you know.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus is our teacher...he is the one who appointed the slave...the Bible doesn't say that slave appointed himself. (Matthew 24:45) We are to accept the spiritual food served by the slave...we are not told to prepare our own meals or to feed ourselves only what is palatable, whilst refusing the rest.

So, because a few men say that Jesus appointed them, you believe them? The Mormons go door to door and are growing faster than the wt, but they aren't the true religion because they teach a different gospel than the wt. Explain that to us.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Please tell us how people were taught before Russel in 1870 and before Rutherford in 1917 and while you're at it tell us how you will be taught when your teachers have left with Jesus.

They weren't! From the time of the last apostle until Rutherford, God left His people and there was no one to spread the good news.

 

[savagewind]

I have readjusted my thinking on the second part of the faithful and discrete slave parable. I had said maybe Matthew 24:48 was added by someone who wanted Matthew 24:45 to be viewed as a human slave.


If the slave is the Bible
εἴπῃ
ὁ
κακὸς
δοῦλος
ἐκεῖνος
Might mean -
but yet speaks wrongly that servant in the heart [of the reader] because the master is delaying [judgement]

If people misunderstand what is written because they think the master is far off, then acting and teaching it wrong causes woe to other people who come to know The Word, the faithful and discreet slave.

I also have an idea what the number is that everyone has to get.

 

[savagewind]

If the Bible is read right, God will be happy, the writers of it will be happy and you will be happy.
But if you read it wrong the writers will not be happy.
If you teach it wrong, God will be angry, you will bring shame to the writers of it and you will suffer.

I suppose people do know that Tis can mean what, not who.

And when you put the wrong words into force you make it the anti-christ.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Not reluctant at all. I just don't like painting a target on my back.

Personally, I feel it is quite unfair for one denomination to be singled out amongst all the thousands of others for being "weird". With enough nitpicking, NO denomination has it "right".

Do you understand? Someone who loves the truth will come to Jehovah....those who don't will get what they ask for....their heart's desire.

But is it necessary for them to experience God the way we do? If we tell a fish it can only be saved by walking (excluding amphibious fish, thank you, LOL), are we being fair? If we tell a person with no legs they must walk (without prostheses or wheelchairs) with legs to heaven, is that fair? Can't God meet them where they are instead of forcing them into a certain limited mindset?

Funny....but that is exactly what Jesus did....why do you think the Jews wanted to be rid of him?

It's not that cut and dry, though. Jewish authorities rightly feared Roman overkill tantrums. Did the poor and needy really deserve the kinds of things the Romans did to them because of a few rabble-rousers (which is all Jesus was to them)? If we truly wish to be spiritually enlightened, it doesn't hurt to risk "walking a mile in their shoes".

The only person who can save me is myself, through taking positive action to change my life.

Jesus said to be the light or the salt of the world. If we had no real power, he couldn't have told us to do things ourselves.

Jesus never meddled in politics because he said that his kingdom was "NO part of this world".

In theocracies, it's impossible to avoid being political while being religious.

You forget.....they said they were "casting out demons" in His name. Satan could make it look that way, that these ones were really doing it, simply to mislead. Those demons would just leave on their own, but still hang around. Satan is a Master at deception!

So when demons claim Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, or some such thing ...?

John 14:6...."No one goes to the Father except through me."

Plenty of people even see God (and Jesus says the pure in heart will see God) without Jesus in the OT, so ...?

In the OT, God was King, as of 1914 Jesus became King. How many Kings are in the Kingdom of God?

God likes His days of rests, so He needs others to work on His off days.

. First it all depends on what writings or belief system is your final authority.

And in religions that poo-poo idolatry, there is the problem that ink and paper ARE considered "final authority".

Every christian should be glorifying YHWH and Jesus.

They aren't inherently glorious? Are we like Turtle Wax or something?

No one can say that JW's are dishonest, untrustworthy, or that we don't do what Christ commanded in a way that no other "Christian" body does. We are known throughout the world for our obedience to Christ's commission. (Matt 28:19, 20; 24:14)

I had a patient once in a nursing home who was Jehovah's Witness. She was a dear friend and I mourned her passing. Even though I only agree with your theology just a few times a day (I'm with you on non-Trinitarianism, church "issues", etc), I concede that I've never met an evil one.

It is not dogma nor doctrine that makes us evil, just the state of our hearts.

How is false worship identified? By disunity, lack of faith, lack of knowledge, being up to their necks in the world, having little regard for their fellowman, and for blatant disobedience to Christ's commands.

Agreed, but on the other hand, it's possible disunity is happening because everyone is straining for gnats and forget the camels, the water is just bad. It can be like griping there's a fly in testicle soup or something ...

Perhaps, if we use Jesus' gardening metaphors, we should realize that "companion gardening" is more useful than homogenous planting. If every plant is the same, disease can spread quickly. If there is genetic diversity, it does NOT spread as quickly and can adapt to environmental changes more easily.

God created us and uses us out of love for his followers.
What a privilege for a speck of dust to be used by the creator.

Have you ever asked a toddler to do a chore so they can "help" even though it's a hot mess when they're done?

I don't need a toddler to make a bed. I can easily do that myself. I also don't expect the toddler to be doing anything but practicising.

You do not know the circumstances.

Neither do you. Never take the word of the victors as to the quality of the victims.

 

[David1967]

Yes, but the hell of the Bible is not the one taught by Christendom.....(Eccl 9:5, 10; Acts 24:15) The Jews had the same belief about death as Jesus taught. (John 11:11-14)
Eternal punishment is eternal death.....which meant no resurrection. You are confusing hades with gehenna. (both commonly translated "hell")
Jesus never taught about burning forever in hell, because Jews never had this belief.....so which came first? Who deviated?

Of all the points we obviously disagree on, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if you are right on this one.

 

[David1967]

Oh dear........

Where do you get these emojis?

 

[David1967]

Personally, I feel it is quite unfair for one denomination to be singled out amongst all the thousands of others for being "weird". With enough nitpicking, NO denomination has it "right".

You are correct!

 

[David1967]

Wow apostates coming back! I'm new so I haven't seen that.

Your new? Theres still time...run!!!

 

[anonymous9887]

It was 185,000 and it was because the Assyrians threatened the Jews. What did God do when the Jews murdered the Midianites? Helped them. What a loving and compassionate God.

Well yeah I wasn't quoting the bible exactly but I apologize, I was off 20,000.
Why did the Judgments happen to these people?
1. For one people from the

Your new? Theres still time...run!!!

Na. They are the closest to the truth if not all.

 

[savagewind]

Na. They are the closest to the truth if not all.

What does "if not all" mean?

If they are not the truth but they appear to be the truth it is then possible to draw people away from the actual true way to worship. Matthew 24:24

 

[anonymous9887]

What does "if not all" mean?

If they are not the truth but they appear to be the truth it is then possible to draw people away from the actual true way to worship. Matthew 24:24

I heard your objections, you can bring more out, but the last interpretation of the faithful slave didn't make sense with all due respect.

If you were honest you would leave witnesses alone. You strongly oppose them, but why don't you pick on muslims or pick on catholics, but no you pick on a small but zealous sect.

 

[savagewind]

I heard your objections, you can bring more out, but the last interpretation of the faithful slave didn't make sense with all due respect.

If you were honest you would leave witnesses alone. You strongly oppose them, but why don't you pick on muslims or pick on catholics, but no you pick on a small but zealous sect.

They are good zealous and I am bad zealous. Is that right?
Does it really make sense that God would appoint men to trust salvation to? Psalms 146:3 Psalms 60:11 Psalms 118:8 Isaiah 2:22 Jeremiah 17:5

Try not to think of the words of Jesus as prophesies of real events to happen but as parables which are stories to explain things that are too deep to see without help.

The things Jesus talks about are scary. Too scary for novices.

 

[savagewind]

. You strongly oppose them,

Thank you for noticing.

but why don't you pick on muslims or pick on catholics, .

I do not know about those others.

 

[savagewind]

Novice, ok that definitely sounds like a meek and humble attitude.

This is what doesn't make sense

People that don't even believe in the bible
Muslims 1.6 billion
Catholic at 1.2 billion
But no I think I'll focus my energy on Jehovah's witnesses at 8000000.

It sounds like your making the right choice.

That is sarcasm. Paul warned against speaking like that. Do you want the scripture?
The Bible is misleading the entire inhabited Earth. Those that do not put heart into it are right imho.

 

[anonymous9887]

They are good zealous and I am bad zealous. Is that right?
Does it really make sense that God would appoint men to trust salvation to? Psalms 146:3 Psalms 60:11 Psalms 118:8 Isaiah 2:22 Jeremiah 17:5

Try not to think of the words of Jesus as prophesies of real events to happen but as parables which are stories to explain things that are too deep to see without help.

The things Jesus talks about are scary. Too scary for novices.

Let's just say on the off chance we are wrong. I'm assuming.
Your time is better spent drawing muslims and catholics to the bible because more lives are at risk.

But this is personal, it's not about what's best for mankind it's about you.

 

[savagewind]

Mister, you say your belief is unknown and I say some people (I wasn't addressing you alone) are novices and you say I am not humble?

It is not a humble thing to see how things really are according to who?

 

[savagewind]

Let's just say on the off chance we are wrong. I'm assuming.
Your time is better spent drawing muslims and catholics to the bible because more lives are at risk.

But this is personal, it's not about what's best for mankind it's about you.

Draw people to the Bible? For what pray tell?