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How Can We Identify True Worship?

anonymous9887

bible reader
Jesus did not one time address His Father as YHVH, not one time. Was it not as important for Him as it seems to be for us to use that name?
As I posted before:
1. I agree that we should call him father and address him as such no problem.
2. In Jesus time he was speaking to Jews and old testament based religions, and of course maybe some people that believed in other gods.
3. The problem today is if I say father which father am I addressing? The father that belong to the trinity, the father in oneness pentecostalism which is Jesus, so when a JW says Jehovah god we know it is the father Jehovah being addressed the true god of the bible not a man made god.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you ever really listen, majority don't whine about their time with the witnesses. Majority of them use witness literature and the bible to show how wrong some of JW teachings are. Many will say that the positive that they do is getting the truth out. Unfortunately, witnesses keep old literature from the rest of the world and only members are allow the library discs. If lucky, a non member can get one, but that is very rare. The so called apostates get old literature out for everyone to see. Calling them pathetic and other demeaning names only serves to make you look worse, and puts you and your regilious beliefs in a negative light. Name calling helps no one!
Thank you.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
If you are not an ex witness it is amazing that you got it, it is not for public distribution.

By his own admission, he got it by deceiving a poor trusting brother who thinks he is actually interested in studying the truth of God's word, when he is just stringing this brother along (who is volunteering his own time) lying to him so that he can undermine his faith and provide ammo for him to fire back at us....such an honest person with such good scruples, abusing the trust of someone who has no idea about his intentions. :rolleyes: What does this say about a person's character? o_O

Those websites are considered apostate.

Yes, and 'target shooters' feed on them regularly in order to distort the truth. That is the "other table". It serves tasty poison. A distorted half truth is more damning than an outright lie.
 

blue taylor

Active Member
Actually there was times when he did not use humans to pronounce judgement, Assyria was an example, when an angel killed 165,000. So no he doesn't need a human to accomplish something. There was times he used human, but he also did supernatural things through the angels.
An angel killed 165,000 people. What a peaceful loving god!
 

Shak34

Active Member
By his own admission, he got it by deceiving a poor trusting brother who thinks he is actually interested in studying the truth of God's word, when he is just stringing this brother along (who is volunteering his own time) lying to him so that he can undermine his faith and provide ammo for him to fire back at us....such an honest person with such good scruples, abusing the trust of someone who has no idea about his intentions. :rolleyes: What does this say about a person's character? o_O



Yes, and 'target shooters' feed on them regularly in order to distort the truth. That is the "other table". It serves tasty poison. A distorted half truth is more damning than an outright lie.

Wow, talk about selective reading. Did you even read my post before that. Go to an apostate website and you will see for the most part you are miss informed about them. They do not give lies like you think they do. I challenge you to go to some of these websites and use your library disc to see if they are distorting what the society says. I think that some of that poison might be coming from your own table.
 

Shak34

Active Member
@Deeje If you want I can give you some great websites to go to that only use facts so you can avoid the few that you might view as target shooters.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@Deeje If you want I can give you some great websites to go to that only use facts so you can avoid the few that you might view as target shooters.
Those facts might be about the past. Jehovah's Witnesses are about the future. I do not blame them for ignoring the bad things JWs might have done in the past. I am trying to show them that they are going forth with misunderstandings. I think that it is ok to do that as it is not my business what they do, but it is not ok to teach that Jehovah God wants all people to go forth with their misunderstandings.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So who am I do know some things they teach are wrong? I am nobody, but this is something. Psalms 146:3

They teach a god who changed his mind. Do not trust the sons of men to save you, but I have given you men to obey for your and your children's salvation.
 

anonymous9887

bible reader
So who am I do know some things they teach are wrong? I am nobody, but this is something. Psalms 146:3

They teach a god who changed his mind. Do not trust the sons of men to save you, but I have given you men to obey for your and your children's salvation.
Sounds like something Korah would have said about moses.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
They say scripture says, "obey those taking the lead among you". I do not believe it that way but let's go with it. So even though the Book they say must be obeyed says Psalms 146:3 they put Hebrews 13:17 ahead of it.

Do not put your trust in princes*Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.+
17 Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging

How is that not judging scripture?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm sorry I should have been more specific. The attitude.
What attitude is it? This one?
1After these events King Ahasuerus promoted Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him and established his authority over all the princes who were with him. 2All the king's servants who were at the king's gate bowed down and paid homage to Haman; for so the king had commanded concerning him. But Mordecai neither bowed down nor paid homage.3Then the king's servants who were at the king's gate said to Mordecai, "Why are you transgressing the king's command?"…
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses do not bow to the Pope and I do not bow to them. Can you explain this better than you have tried so far?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
They have put a positive spin on Hebrews 13:17 saying it means obey them. BUT what if it really means do not fight with them?

to persuade

A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty) -- agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) conflent, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

http://biblehub.com/greek/3982.htm

To persuade: cause (someone) to do something through reasoning or argument

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the elders who obey them in every way use PERSUASION to convince anyone who might listen of the rightness of the governing body way.

BUT, the scripture says we are to persuade THEM. It really does. Read it.
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
If you ever really listen, majority don't whine about their time with the witnesses. Majority of them use witness literature and the bible to show how wrong some of JW teachings are.

And please share with us what teachings you believe are wrong. Have you ever actually asked for an explanation or do you just blindly accept what apostates tell you?

Many will say that the positive that they do is getting the truth out.

So this is the great commission? :shrug: Spreading slander and false accusations? (Matthew 5:11)
Where is the preaching about the kingdom? (Matthew 24:14)
Where is the "meeting together to incite to love and fine works"? (Hebrews 10:24-25)
Where is the good news? (Matthew 9:35-38)
All we hear is bad news and constant whining about how terrible we are.
Are one sided sob stories really the truth? How would you know? Can any judge make a decision about a case with just one side of a story? (Proverbs 17:15; Proverbs 18:13) Yet how many people are doing just that?

If the devil can make the perfect son of God look bad, what do you think he is going to be able to do with his imperfect disciples? Are we going to make mistakes? Did the apostles make mistakes? Its what humans do.
If you are waiting for us to be perfect...don't hold your breath. :confused: We are sinners just like everyone else.


Unfortunately, witnesses keep old literature from the rest of the world and only members are allow the library discs. If lucky, a non member can get one, but that is very rare.

"Old literature" is just that....like an "old" newspaper....good to look back on, but not necessarily up to date with what is happening now. (Proverbs 4:18) All anyone needs to know is posted for all to see on our website. JW.ORG

The so called apostates get old literature out for everyone to see. Calling them pathetic and other demeaning names only serves to make you look worse, and puts you and your regilious beliefs in a negative light. Name calling helps no one!

Telling the truth hurts no one but the liars and those who love the lies. People will believe whatever they want to be true. Those who can do nothing but destroy and tear down, rather than build something worthwhile and positive are rather pathetic in my estimation. What else would you call them? They are like vandals....unable to "construct" anything worthwhile, they "destruct" what others have worked hard to build. But one thing is for sure....nothing will hinder the work of God's spirit.

If we are call ourselves disciples of Christ, then we have to act like him and go out searching for the lost sheep as he did, and as he instructed his disciples to do. (Matthew 10:11-14; Matthew 28:19-20) Christians are a body who all work in harmony with one another. (1 Cor 1:10)...is this a description of Christendom?

This "witness" Jesus said, was to be given right up until the end of the system of things, which is now looming ever closer as the world falls apart. We all have to ask ourselves what Jesus will think of us when the judgment comes, because the "many" are going to be bitterly disappointed because they failed to "do the will of the Father". (Matthew 7:21-23) :(
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
All we hear is bad news and constant whining about how terrible we are.
That is what people hear from the Jehovah's Witnesses. I think it is safe to bet the farm that not one soul has ever been told by a JW, "God loves you just the way you are".
 
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