How can YHWH be the FATHER?

[1213]

A bet without a stake can happen when two people make a prediction or a wager purely for the satisfaction of being right. For example:

Two friends, Alex and Sam, are discussing who will win a local soccer game. Alex says Team A will win, while Sam believes Team B will come out on top. They don't wager any money, favors, or tangible stakes—they just want to see who’s right. Each is expressing confidence in something that isn't certain. The payoff is being publicly right, and the risk is being publicly wrong. My understanding is that it is these two elements (prediction and risk) that mean it is a true bet.

But God had no risk, he knew perfectly well how it will go. I believe He allowed it to happen, because He knew Job can stand it and that by letting it all happen, we can all see that God knows better than Satan, who is evil torturer.

It doesn't have to. It describes one.

I disagree with that.

This is what textual critics and analysts have determined....

Ok, I reject their opinion, because I think it is not reasonable and it is not well supported.

 

[firedragon]

Why do you think the original had different ending?

Many scholars say that Job has a redaction. Job 42. (Can't remember the exact verses). For example, Norman Habel, Robert Alter. You could look it up.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But God had no risk, he knew perfectly well how it will go.

You are trying to make a creative story, a myth, apply to reality, and by doing so, you are missing the very point of the text. Whoever lost the bet would look bad, they would be publicly wrong. And that makes it a bet.

 

[teage]

Interesting. So you also believe there were two Gods?

More than that. Devine council of God's, one God most high.

 

[firedragon]

More than that. Devine council of God's, one God most high.

So two Gods like Marcion.

 

[teage]

So two Gods like Marcion.

A little over 200

 

[teage]

So two Gods like Marcion.

Each tribal god, Yhwh included, makes up the devine council. El is head of the council.

 

[firedragon]

Each tribal god, Yhwh included, makes up the devine council. El is head of the council.

That's not Marcions theology.

 

[firedragon]

A little over 200

That's not Marcions theology.

 

[teage]

That's not Marcions theology.

That's why I told you no when asked.

 

[teage]

That's why I told you no when asked.

I just think he had some things right.Who knows what he could have done in a modern society?

 

[Muffled]

The very fact that your Christian texts say that the old covenant is abrogated and that you are under a new covenant MEANS that the two are incompatible.

I do not believe that. I believe the grace of God fulfills the law. So that continuity exists. What is incompatible is trying to keep the law in ones own strength when grace is available.

 

[Muffled]

"Before Abraham was, I am" Jesus.

I believe that is God speaking who is before Abraham even though Jesus isn't.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I do not believe that. I believe the grace of God fulfills the law. So that continuity exists. What is incompatible is trying to keep the law in ones own strength when grace is available.

I appreciate the fact that you have these beliefs. I'm really not interested in trying to change your mind. I'm simply sharing my own perspective, which is that this "gospel of grace" conflicts with the entire essence of the Tanakh.

 

[teage]

How can you say that when there is not even a question about it? Maybe you are reading a different book.

Sorry for my very late reply, the creation account we all know in Genesis is actually from another book, tablet to be more precise. So in essence, you are reading from another book.

 

[teage]

One story I have yet to fully understand is the Eden story . the Snake is not Ha Satan .. that much we can say

I have been doing a lot of reading on ancient Sumerians. Could the "snake" possibly be Enki?

 

[dybmh]

we all know in Genesis is actually from another book

Have you read this other story and compared it side by side with Genesis?

 

[teage]

yes

Have you read this other story and compared it side by side with Genesis?

yes

 

[dybmh]

yes

Thank you,

In comparing the two side-by-side how many correspondences are there? How many total lines of text? Approximately?

Also, which version did you read? If I recall, there are 3. The original from 2000BCE, the later version from 700ish BCE, then a much later version 300 CE?

 

[teage]

Thank you,

In comparing the two side-by-side how many correspondences are there? How many total lines of text? Approximately?

Also, which version did you read? If I recall, there are 3. The original from 2000BCE, the later version from 700ish BCE, then a much later version 300 CE?

There was Anu, the head of the counsel of gods. Anu orders creation to take place. Enlil is head of operations but not creator. Enki, Ninmah and Ningishzidda are the creators.A trinity of of a sort. Humans are meant to be slaves, work and tend the garden of Edin(Eden) and other tasks.

Enki gives awareness to the first humans, Adapa(Adam) and Titi(Eve), against Enlils orders.
Upon finding this out, Elil gets enraged and a scolding ensues. The Samerian account does not mention a banishing of the garden that im aware of.

It goes on....Adapa and Titi are now (enlightened). They then are breed and give birth to Ka'in(Cain) and Abael(Abel). Ka'in murders Abael in a jealous rage and thus is sentenced into exile.

Even the flood myth in the Sumarian accounts are creepy close. Its amazing.

You can read it in the Eridu Genesis. UCLA website has a plethera of cuneiform texts in their library.