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How can you be a True Christian™ if you don't take the Eden story literally?

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
How can you play martyr when you post stuff like this? Earlier you were whining at me because everyone picks on you or makes jokes.
Ok if you don't think it's necessary. But why shouldn't a person that thinks he can communicate with the dead ask Bahaullah? Sorry about whining about you. :)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
How can you play martyr when you post stuff like this? Earlier you were whining at me because everyone picks on you or makes jokes.
Ok still why can't a bahai ask Bahaullah if they can speak to the living dead. I am only imagining it's because it is believed by some that he moved to the "other side."
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I'm referring to these verses on predestination: "What does the Bible say about Predestination?" And here is another reference: "What is predestination?"
And what is the Baha'i response to this? Actually, if there is a God, I would think it would be actively choosing and guiding people. But then... why did God create the people that would not believe and then punish them for not believing? Or worse, for believing in the wrong religion and getting punished for it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
@John53 I would think you and others would want to ask their reasoning on this. But...if you don't think it's pertinent it will have to be that way. Ok
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And what is the Baha'i response to this? Actually, if there is a God, I would think it would be actively choosing and guiding people. But then... why did God create the people that would not believe and then punish them for not believing? Or worse, for believing in the wrong religion and getting punished for it.
I think you got the right idea on this. There are some things God chooses to know and others He does not. That is because He is all powerful, all knowing and decides what He wants to know. No, from my understanding we are not predestined for an end. God is love and merciful.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
And what is the Baha'i response to this? Actually, if there is a God, I would think it would be actively choosing and guiding people. But then... why did God create the people that would not believe and then punish them for not believing? Or worse, for believing in the wrong religion and getting punished for it.

I'm a Wiccan, not a Baha'i. I suggest asking a Baha'i about their beliefs instead of asking me. I've always thought that if I wanted to understand the beliefs of another religion, then I'd ask someone who practices that religion rather than someone who doesn't or someone who is irreligious, such as an atheist.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And what is the Baha'i response to this? Actually, if there is a God, I would think it would be actively choosing and guiding people. But then... why did God create the people that would not believe and then punish them for not believing? Or worse, for believing in the wrong religion and getting punished for it.
Now here's the next question. Do Wiccans believe in God? Maybe Sgt. Pepper would like to answer, maybe not.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
@John53 I would think you and others would want to ask their reasoning on this. But...if you don't think it's pertinent it will have to be that way. Ok

Reasoning of what? The thread is a million miles long and you haven't quoted the bit you want to comment on.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Ok still why can't a bahai ask Bahaullah if they can speak to the living dead. I am only imagining it's because it is believed by some that he moved to the "other side."

Asking me what Baha'i believe is a waste of time. My knowledge on the subject could be comfortably written on the back of a postage stamp. I don't even know how to pronounce Baha'i. In my mind I read it as bah hah but feel it could be bah hah eye. Or more likely both are wrong.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Now here's the next question. Do Wiccans believe in God? Maybe Sgt. Pepper would like to answer, maybe not.
Wicca is a very individualist religion with no set doctrind on the conceptualization of the Lady and Lord. The primary diety is usually a Triple Goddess with the traditional aspects of Maiden, Mother and Crone. These correspond to several things such as the life phases; waxing, full, and waning moon; seasons where autum/winter is considered to be the Crone and some other more esoteric stuffl. She is also generally seen as the creator of the Earth. She is the spirit of the world.

The Horned God is her consort and usually subordinate. He is more tied with primal physicality of nature.

Those are generalities, and they will vary in amazing ways between indivifdual sects and persons.

editL I am answering because I was Wiccan. Once upon a time.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Asking me what Baha'i believe is a waste of time. My knowledge on the subject could be comfortably written on the back of a postage stamp. I don't even know how to pronounce Baha'i. In my mind I read it as bah hah but feel it could be bah hah eye. Or more likely both are wrong.
I understand
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I'm a Wiccan, not a Baha'i. I suggest asking a Baha'i about their beliefs instead of asking me. I've always thought that if I wanted to understand the beliefs of another religion, then I'd ask someone who practices that religion rather than someone who doesn't or someone who is irreligious, such as an atheist.
Actually, I didn't mean it for you. I should have written it, "I wonder what the Baha'i answer to this will be." But we only have one Baha'i here, and it's hard to tell what's her opinion and what is official Baha'i beliefs.
 
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