How can you be a True Christian™ if you don't take the Eden story literally?

[Subduction Zone]

You are doing what you did last week. You are making assertions with no argument to back them up.
This is not a discussion, it is a lecture.

Nope, and now you are making false claims about others.

Once again, you agreed to all of the "assumptions". You agreed that God could change it either way when it came to the first President.

By you trying to limit God omnipotence and omniscience you are saying that he is neither of those.


Take a deep breath and think it through.

 

[John53]

And it seems they contradicted one another. Why shouldn't a Baha'i here ask Bahaullah what he thinks. One tv on two tv off.

How can you play martyr when you post stuff like this? Earlier you were whining at me because everyone picks on you or makes jokes.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why not?

Because God created things the way they are now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I never said there is a causal relationship between what God knows we will choose to do and what we will choose to do.

You did not admit to it openly. There was no need to. But you did admit to it. I cannot force you to think logically. Only you can do that foryou.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because God created things the way they are now.

But you admitted that he could have changed any of the details if he wanted to.

 

[Trailblazer]

You did. You can deny it now, but you did. Sorry it is too late. You cannot refute rational thought with emotional reasoning.

No, I never said any such thing. That is only what you interpreted what I said to mean.

 

[ppp]

It matters in a court of law.

Not in any court in the US,

So what? Causes need to be considered in order for justice to exist.

You don't think so. You think only the most proximate cause is relavent. Or so you keep insisting. Repeatedly. Over and over again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I never said any such thing. That is only what you interpreted what I said to mean.

I can quote you. You did say those things. You just did not think out the consequences. That is because you are not able to reason rationally when it comes to a cherished belief. You had no problem when I asked again to confirm that I got your claims right.

 

[ppp]

Because God created things the way they are now.

But you think it wouldnt matter if God were omniscient or an ignorant buffoon, That the world would be the same either way. That is such a bizarre belief. You are basically scorning thought and awareness as having any causal connection to an agent's actions. I am not sure that you have thought that through.

 

[Trailblazer]

You did not admit to it openly. There was no need to. But you did admit to it. I cannot force you to think logically. Only you can do that foryou.

We're done here. When you start speaking for me and what I did I am done. You did this, you did that. I will not tolerate it.

I tried to have a discussion but it is impossible to have a discussion with you.
You can come back blaming me and telling me I am running away but I don't care because I have boundaries.

Happy trails.

 

[Trailblazer]

I can quote you. You did say those things. You just did not think out the consequences. That is because you are not able to reason rationally when it comes to a cherished belief. You had no problem when I asked again to confirm that I got your claims right.

I said we were done and I meant it.
Happy trails.

 

[Trailblazer]

But you think it wouldnt matter if God were omniscient or an ignorant buffoon, That the world would be the same either way. That is such a bizarre belief. You are basically scorning thought and awareness as having any causal connection to an agent's actions. I am not sure that you have thought that through.

I never said it wouldnt matter if God were omniscient or an ignorant buffoon, that the world would be the same either way. That is not my belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But you think it wouldnt matter if God were omniscient or an ignorant buffoon, That the world would be the same either way. That is such a bizarre belief. You are basically scorning thought and awareness as having any causal connection to an agent's actions. I am not sure that you have thought that through.

This may be why @dybmh so rudely interrupted my discussion. He probably lost this very debate in the past. I was not the first to think up of this. It is a logical argument that no theist appears to have an answer to. Many of them simply ignore this problem or place limits on God's omniscience and omnipotence and still pretend that their God has these traits.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I said we were done and I meant it.
Happy trails.

Just keep thinking. If you can reason logically you will have to admit that I am correct.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We're done here. When you start speaking for me and what I did I am done. You did this, you did that. I will not tolerate it.

I tried to have a discussion but it is impossible to have a discussion with you.
You can come back blaming me and telling me I am running away but I don't care because I have boundaries.

Happy trails.

I am not "speaking for you" I am pointing to what you said and what it implies. Don't get mad at me because I showed that you were wrong.

 

[ppp]

I never said it wouldnt matter if God were omniscient or an ignorant buffoon, that the world would be the same either way. That is not my belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

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Duly noted, but I don't remember the context so I am flying in the dark.... and on hardly any sleep!

 

[ppp]

Duly noted, but I don't remember the context so I am flying in the dark.... and on hardly any sleep!

Your memory for the contents of your own brain last for less than one hour.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your memory for the contents of your own brain last for less than one hour.

That is not normally true but it is true when I have only had 3 hrs of sleep for 3 nights in a row.

 

[Audie]

Better for personal religious beliefs, not better for knowledge. Everyone can benefit from learning more history.

Historians actually exist, no God is known to exist. Don’t confuse religious texts that refer to God as if factual. There is no case for that assumption.

I read the book of Mormon and it was like totally
factual history.