Your post is a personal attack and it is offensive.That is trash talk, but has come to be expected from you.
I wonder how nobody sees this kind of things happening here ...
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Your post is a personal attack and it is offensive.That is trash talk, but has come to be expected from you.
Your post was at least as bad. I can see that he stepped over the line. Can you see that you stepped over the line first?Your post is a personal attack and it is offensive.
I wonder how nobody sees this kind of things happening here ...
Lots of us have been there. We believed, then one day... just couldn't. And that's all I'm saying. Without believing all of it, I couldn't keep believing those basic beliefs about Jesus being the savior either.I really don’t expect non-Christians to believe the biblical accounts. I didn’t until I got to the point of realizing I needed a Savior. Once born again to new life in Christ my understanding of the scriptures and all of life changed. As the old hymn says,
“I was blind, but now I see”.
I guess what’s discouraging is that non-believers won’t even admit to the obvious, basic truth revealed in the scriptures, that all are sinners in need of a Savior. Rather than sincerely dealing with that, endless time is spent in diverting arguments or excuses to deny God.
Oh noes!!! Whatever will we do?I am banning this forum out of my time during one month.
Get over it.
Bye
My favorite is still this....There is also a story of a talking donkey and a man who survived three days inside the belly of a big fish.
Yeah, that's how it goes. One religion says, "Oh, those things that they believe? Those things aren't true. Our stuff, though, that did happen and is true. And we know it's true because our Scriptures say so."But those two really happened.
A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus, a survey commissioned by the BBC suggests.Like which Christians? Fake-Christians on internet?
There are a lot of fakers posing as independent Christians but they are just deceiving people ...
Otherwise, who are you talking about? A Christian who does not believe Jesus rose from the dead? Really?
As 30% of US adults are something not-Christian, I would expect that number to be higher. That would mean that at least 10% of the people who are non-Chistian believe in the resurrection. Weird20% of U.S. adults don’t believe in the resurrection while 14% are unsure of their belief on this matter.
https://www.gcrr.org/post/more-americans-believe-in-christ-s-resurrection-than-britons
Well, I’d say there’s a difference between believing simply because you’re taught to believe something, in this case the Bible, or in knowing Jesus in a real way and having a living, personal relationship with Him. I wasn’t taught to believe in Jesus and hardly knew any Bible stories. I didn’t get saved or even understand who Jesus really was until in my 30’s. Now that I know Him and my life has been transformed, there’s no way I could ever doubt Him or His word. As Peter said, “Where would I go Lord, You have the words of eternal life?”Lots of us have been there. We believed, then one day... just couldn't. And that's all I'm saying. Without believing all of it, I couldn't keep believing those basic beliefs about Jesus being the savior either.
Now I'd imagine there many people that do believe in Jesus but, inside, they don't believe the young Earth and flood stuff. And that's the question... Are they really true believers? But then you've got the same problem between Protestant Christians compared to Catholic Christians. Or those that don't believe in the gifts of the spirit like the full-gospel Pentecostals.
Are you saying that you have never sinned or know people who are sinless? If not, then the Bible is accurate in pointing out the reality that everyone does sin, therefore credible in that regard.Books say a lot of of things that lack credibility. That is just one of them..
That just looks like belief. You may have a strong belief, but it does not appear that you "know" Jesus. Knowledge is demonstrable and I have never met a Christian that could show that they "knew" Jesus.Well, I’d say there’s a difference between believing simply because you’re taught to believe something, in this case the Bible, or in knowing Jesus in a real way and having a living, personal relationship with Him. I wasn’t taught to believe in Jesus and hardly knew any Bible stories. I didn’t get saved or even understood who Jesus really was until in my 30’s. Now that I know Him and my life has been transformed, there’s no way I could ever doubt Him or His word. As Peter said, “Where would I go Lord, You have the words of eternal life?”
I’m not going to say who is a true believer. God knows those who belong to Jesus and one’s new life in Christ is an ongoing process, not an instantaneous understanding of all biblical or spiritual truths.
I thought the same thing. Believe it or not, I read elsewhere that there are Americans who are not Christians yet they believe in the resurrection.As 30% of US adults are something not-Christian, I would expect that number to be higher. That would mean that at least 10% of the people who are non-Chistian believe in the resurrection. Weird
I don’t see it that way.All Christians do that. Whether on purpose or via convoluted rationalization. If one is a serious believer the biggest mistake is to try to read the Bible literally. If one is honest that only leads to atheism. If one accepts the lessons of the Bible then one may be able to maintain one's faith and still reason rationally.
Of course. The problem is that you cannot show that your "knowledge" is any better than that of other Christians that claim the same and yet have very different beliefs. As the saying goes, you can't all be right, but you can all be wrong.I don’t see it that way.
I have no evidence that anyone has ever sinned. Not me. Nor anyone else. The word "sin" means an offense against a god. Without a god, the term is meaningless. I would further argue that the term "sin" has only a coincidental association with morality. The two are not the same thing.Are you saying that you have never sinned or know people who are sinless?
I know that there are. I have met them. I was just surprised at the numbers. I suspect (with only anecdotal evidence) that it is because Christainity is normative and agressive in the US, and that there is a high correlation to negative consequences for not believing.I thought the same thing. Believe it or not, I read elsewhere that there are Americans who are not Christians yet they believe in the resurrection.
Talk about odd. But this is how brainwashing works.
I have no evidence that anyone has ever sinned. Not me. Nor anyone else. The word "sin" means an offense against a god. Without a god, the term in meaningless. I would further argue that the term "sin" has only a coincidental association with morality. The two are not the same thing.
That is what happened with me. I decided that I had been lax and needed to become more serious and invested in my faith (National Baptist). So I buckled down, studied the Bible, attended VBS and Bible Study, discussed with my fellow church members and theologians, and read the works of the prominent apologists of the time. And I prayed a lot. I loved it. And the more I learned the further I was driven into non-belief. Until I got to the point where it was clear that there is no reason to be convinced that anyone has a good reason, or is capable of having a good reason, to come to the conclusion that God exists.I don’t see it that way.
Like my priest who taught me Catechism?For those of you who don't take the story of the Fall literally. Adam, Eve, Tree, Serpent, etc, how do you envision the Fall of Man happening? And if it didn't happen, what use is Jesus?
You didn’t go over the points with any real information. All you basically said was…No, No, and No.Why do you think that one has to go over the whole Earth to know that the stories in the Bible have been refuted. We do not need to know that. There are enough obvious contradictions to the claims that we do not need any more. if one wants to claim that the Bible is accurate the burden of proof is upon believers and they do not seem to have any evidence.
As to your claims let's go over them.
!. No that is just an argument from ignorance on your part. Yes, it is complex, but that does not mean that it cannot be understood. It only means that you cannot understand it. Do you not see you your error?
2. Again no, Nothing points to an intelligent designer. You, like all creationists, do not understand the concept of evidence and you need to learn what is and what is not evidence. Handwaving is not a valid argument.
3. Nope, once again, they only appear to be fine tuned to the ignorant. You need more than appearances. You would need to prove that it is fine tuned and the more we learn the clearer it is that it is not fine tuned.
4. And those accounts often contradict each other on rather important points. They were also edited. You simply are unaware of the history of the Bible. When early church fathers decided what gospels to keep and which ones to throw away that is an editing process. It occurred in the fourth century. There were on the order of 40 gospels and they narrowed it down to 4. That is a lot of editing.