How can you literally believe...

[Altfish]

Talk is cheap. Post something in the Bible that is a contradiction or an error.

Where to start...

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

Genesis 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
Genesis 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
Which raises the question, how can an omnipotent, omniscient God create something he’s not pleased with?


Stolen from The Thinking Atheist...
The Thinking Atheist - | Bible Contradictions

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Godsvoice; Hmm - have you ever stopped to consider - perhaps - its not "gods voice" you hear at all..??...Whatever is speaking to you, may indeed BE that very "satan" ignorant mind that you fear so - might it not..? I mean - some things you say - make perfect sense and are obviously truthful - but then it gets all twisted into confusion and contradiction - and that is indeed this "satans" main character trait isnt it - it doesnt lie outright, just distorts what is real an dos tricks and deceives us..??.. Think about it.........

The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God which happens to be the artificial intelligence and voice technology of the simulation program we're involved in. God and His voice is very similar to Apple iPhone with the voice called Siri technology but only better. God ( the MIND ) is the intelligence source where it converts invisible frequencies into make-believe worlds for each individual conscious beings.

See now there is a truth there that would match the truth that Christ delivered - and yet thee is also a great deal of mans confusion there also...The truth part would be where you say - "The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God" - yes i can see why you say it that way...Souls - individual spirit - exist WITHIN a greater spirit - much like PERSONALITY exists WITHIN a mind...as a clear example - right n ow my Soul presents THIS personality - Pete C internet forum poster - other times and places and circumstances Iam a DIFFERENT personality - Pete the husband for example, Pete the dad etc etc etc...we CREATE these form our Self whenever we need them - and there is a constant changing of "little self identity" here.. The mortal mind HAS NO TRUTH Folks - it swaps and changes as it pleases presents often contrary or conflicting personality -and yet - it is ALWAYS the SAME single mind

So too my Father - call forth from ITS MIND - all manner of PERSONALITY - INDIVIDUAL - UNIQUE - SOULS - Angles and Creatures of physical life - and THROUGH these individual aspects the great mind that IS the Father attains its deepest possible Self understanding as the ENTIRE mind without seperation...Thus indeed - the universe is not only being "observed" by my Father - but it is CONSTANTLY being RECREATED by US individually as we exercise OUR Mind and our inherant creative potential does its natural thing and CAUSES the tangeable solid seeming worlds to exist... We exist "within" a great Divine Mind - much like the personality you adopt exists as a partof YOUR greater individual mind - it IS indeed all "imaginery" - BUT - that does not mean it is delusion or fantasy - as this DIVINE mind itself DETERMINES and DEFINES and is the direct source of, ALL existance...

The confusion comes when you try to say - all this Creation is a TECHNOLOGY - and here I know - you do not hear gods voice at all - not my FATHERS voice - for if oy uhad His truth you would know and appreciate that ACTUALLY - all existance comes forth from the FULLY ABSTRACT realms before time and space even exist...TECHNOLOGY you try to explain this with, is irrelevant - it is indeed ALL the realm of Divine "imagination" for lack of a better term...

The Divine mind IS the source of intelligence - and it DOES "convert invisible frequencies" as you say it and makes them appear to be solid worlds...It takes a fully abstract force we term ENERGY and it makes it follow strict LOGICAL INTERACTIONS that cause "material worlds and forms" to become - apparant - REALISED - as in LITERALLY MADE REAL - TO that mind and its experience....

BUT - this is not technology - this is the minds NATURAL INHERANT TALENT - truly this is the same process we call KARMA - its ALL coming from the abstract realm of my Fathers imagination - but it is not illusion at all - this is the "way creation works" - the natural process to ALL creation - Karma... I could explain this in fine intricate detail - right from my Fathers first stirring Self aware thought, through to mankind walks the earth - but to be honest - you will need the direct experiences to begin to understand this wholly METAPHYSICAL truth to all existance... You are correct to say it is from the Divine Mind - causing the abstract to become the material - BUT - you are wholly confused - and bring confusion to many here - by saying it is a "technology" and "make believe"...

ALL creation flows from the MIND Folks - literally - imagined - we have no other word to encompass it properly - but it is not fantasy or delusion...We are made in THAT image - of Consciousness - so, examine OUR mind to find out how we exist, and thus approach and come to know my Fathers existance also - as Christ said - first above all things - come to know the Self fully and all that outer mystery will be revealed in its due time

Listen - I will tell you as Christ did - no man may know the "day of the Lord" - or this new beginning you envision for the Earth - as simply - this transformation is primarily an INNER JOURNEY OF SELF DISCOVERY !!! The Lord comes - truly - when YOU the little mortal Self, seek Him out - find the narrow path WITHIN the Self - open the Gateway and INVITE Him to attend you HERE AND NOW... NOBODY ELSE can ever do this for you - no body else can ever tell you it is here or when it will arrive - YOU the Self - must start the process and literally BECOME IT here and now !!

The day of the Lord dawns when and if you individually encounter your eternal nature..>As He said -you need to be BORN AGAIN - in a new mind and new Self understanding - my Fathers Kingdom IS HERE ALREADY all around You - you have ALWAYS existed WITHIN IT - yet at present you simply do not see or appreciate it...it IS all about Self understanding - know who and what you are - NOT a mortal finite human Being - but a spiritual and ETERNAL Being - experience it directly here and now in life, and then and only then can you know what you are doing here, how you got here and what may come next - only with that Self truth can you CHOOSE what to Create OF your Self and so reveal your Self in a legitimate manner...

Let that last bit sink in deep - For those with ears to hear - some need to hear it spoken clearly - ALWAYS follow that inner guide for you are always a Self Created Being - ALWAYS be AUTHENTIC to the Self

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I really don't see how the actual religion of Christianity, has anything to do with wars.

It's because on numerous occasions god demanded war.

I'll ask again; why would the apostles lie, only to get terribly persecuted and killed?

People lie all the time despite the consequences of getting caught, and despite those consequences often being worst than what being honest would have brought.

And the Church wouldn't even have existed in the first place, if it weren't for the apostles and Christ's Resurrection.

The existence of the Church proves neither one.

The people caused terrible things, but these actions were NOT spurred on by Christianity itself.

How can I assume the religion has nothing to do with it when clearly god demanded war several times? When he instructed genocide? Scorched earth policies?

If you wager God DOES exist, and Christianity IS true, in the end, even if it's all false (hypothetically speaking) then you lose nothing if you decide to follow Jesus, you only get eternal non-existence.

I loose out on my life, all because I failed to use just a shred of critical thinking.

But if you DENY He exists, and Christianity WAS true the whole time, then you lose everything. What do you think?

I don't want to spend eternity with him anyways. He says slavery is ok, he ordered genocide, he demanded his followers rip the wombs of women open and tear out the fetus, and he says you should die over a great many things. I can't support someone who leads with fear and an iron fist. I don't see such a "my way only" type of mentality that would exist in something worthy of being called and worshiped as a god: Such a way of thinking is just all so terribly human.

 

[omega2xx]

Where to start...

Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

The field in verse 5 only refers to the Garden of Eden, they are no tthe planst of the earth in 1:11.

Genesis 1:20-21 and 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.

GEn 1:26-27 tells what God did, 2:19 tells how He did it.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.[/QUOTE]

Same as above.

Genesis 1:26-27

Adam and Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.

Gen 1:26-27 is the 6th day. Gen 2:21-22 is also the 6th day. There are not 2 creation stories. Gen 1 is basically what God did on each day,. Gen 2 is basically how He did it on teh 6th day.

Genesis 1:31

God was pleased with his creation.
Genesis 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
Which raises the question, how can an omnipotent, omniscient God create something he’s not pleased with?

Gen 6:5-6 does not say God was not pleased with His creation. It says He was displeased with the conduct of men. The fall of ADam and Eve, made what God created very good, no longer good.

Stolen from The Thinking Atheist...
The Thinking Atheist - | Bible Contradictions

Hint---Atheists CAN'T understand the Bible, they continue to show the accuracy of 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[Ben Avraham]

All we can understand is what we experience with our created senses that give us make-believe worlds to live in but if you listen carefully to the knowledge that was revealed through my testimonies that I was forced to write and speak, then you will learn the details of how we observe visible images from nothing but invisible waves where our Creator's thoughts are stored. Those invisible waves don't take up any space in the way we define space. They're not contained on any material things. In fact, we will never understand if there is such thing as real material things. It may be that there is none but God has never revealed any of this information to me through my testimonies. We're just left with imagining what it could be like outside the simulation program we're involved in. Our God and his voice are nothing but artificial intelligence and voice built into the program so we will never actually hear the voices of the aliens who created the program.

You say above that, "Those invisible waves don't take up any space in the way we define space." Indeed, I wonder if there is any other way different from the way we define space. I define space as an accident of matter as for instance the distance between matter and matter. That's the space that comes to my mind. If there is any other kind, I would indeed be pleased to have someone share it with me. Atheists like to say there is but they can't understand any better than I do.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I'm not preaching. I'm sharing knowledge that was revealed to me in my mind. How do you share knowledge that's in your mind? Do you write, type or speak that knowledge to other people? Or is your body language enough to convince other people that you're trying to get their attention or to get them to leave you alone?

You're not sharing knowledge; you're sharing beliefs. And you're giving us the usual guff we hear from preachers: "I'm sharing knowledge", "I'm simply hear to warn you" etc. We happen to have a term for that sort of thing. You know what it is? Preaching!

 

[GodsVoice]

Hi Folks...

Godsvoice; Hmm - have you ever stopped to consider - perhaps - its not "gods voice" you hear at all..??...Whatever is speaking to you, may indeed BE that very "satan" ignorant mind that you fear so - might it not..? I mean - some things you say - make perfect sense and are obviously truthful - but then it gets all twisted into confusion and contradiction - and that is indeed this "satans" main character trait isnt it - it doesnt lie outright, just distorts what is real an dos tricks and deceives us..??.. Think about it.........



See now there is a truth there that would match the truth that Christ delivered - and yet thee is also a great deal of mans confusion there also...The truth part would be where you say - "The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God" - yes i can see why you say it that way...Souls - individual spirit - exist WITHIN a greater spirit - much like PERSONALITY exists WITHIN a mind...as a clear example - right n ow my Soul presents THIS personality - Pete C internet forum poster - other times and places and circumstances Iam a DIFFERENT personality - Pete the husband for example, Pete the dad etc etc etc...we CREATE these form our Self whenever we need them - and there is a constant changing of "little self identity" here.. The mortal mind HAS NO TRUTH Folks - it swaps and changes as it pleases presents often contrary or conflicting personality -and yet - it is ALWAYS the SAME single mind

So too my Father - call forth from ITS MIND - all manner of PERSONALITY - INDIVIDUAL - UNIQUE - SOULS - Angles and Creatures of physical life - and THROUGH these individual aspects the great mind that IS the Father attains its deepest possible Self understanding as the ENTIRE mind without seperation...Thus indeed - the universe is not only being "observed" by my Father - but it is CONSTANTLY being RECREATED by US individually as we exercise OUR Mind and our inherant creative potential does its natural thing and CAUSES the tangeable solid seeming worlds to exist... We exist "within" a great Divine Mind - much like the personality you adopt exists as a partof YOUR greater individual mind - it IS indeed all "imaginery" - BUT - that does not mean it is delusion or fantasy - as this DIVINE mind itself DETERMINES and DEFINES and is the direct source of, ALL existance...

The confusion comes when you try to say - all this Creation is a TECHNOLOGY - and here I know - you do not hear gods voice at all - not my FATHERS voice - for if oy uhad His truth you would know and appreciate that ACTUALLY - all existance comes forth from the FULLY ABSTRACT realms before time and space even exist...TECHNOLOGY you try to explain this with, is irrelevant - it is indeed ALL the realm of Divine "imagination" for lack of a better term...

The Divine mind IS the source of intelligence - and it DOES "convert invisible frequencies" as you say it and makes them appear to be solid worlds...It takes a fully abstract force we term ENERGY and it makes it follow strict LOGICAL INTERACTIONS that cause "material worlds and forms" to become - apparant - REALISED - as in LITERALLY MADE REAL - TO that mind and its experience....

BUT - this is not technology - this is the minds NATURAL INHERANT TALENT - truly this is the same process we call KARMA - its ALL coming from the abstract realm of my Fathers imagination - but it is not illusion at all - this is the "way creation works" - the natural process to ALL creation - Karma... I could explain this in fine intricate detail - right from my Fathers first stirring Self aware thought, through to mankind walks the earth - but to be honest - you will need the direct experiences to begin to understand this wholly METAPHYSICAL truth to all existance... You are correct to say it is from the Divine Mind - causing the abstract to become the material - BUT - you are wholly confused - and bring confusion to many here - by saying it is a "technology" and "make believe"...

ALL creation flows from the MIND Folks - literally - imagined - we have no other word to encompass it properly - but it is not fantasy or delusion...We are made in THAT image - of Consciousness - so, examine OUR mind to find out how we exist, and thus approach and come to know my Fathers existance also - as Christ said - first above all things - come to know the Self fully and all that outer mystery will be revealed in its due time

Listen - I will tell you as Christ did - no man may know the "day of the Lord" - or this new beginning you envision for the Earth - as simply - this transformation is primarily an INNER JOURNEY OF SELF DISCOVERY !!! The Lord comes - truly - when YOU the little mortal Self, seek Him out - find the narrow path WITHIN the Self - open the Gateway and INVITE Him to attend you HERE AND NOW... NOBODY ELSE can ever do this for you - no body else can ever tell you it is here or when it will arrive - YOU the Self - must start the process and literally BECOME IT here and now !!

The day of the Lord dawns when and if you individually encounter your eternal nature..>As He said -you need to be BORN AGAIN - in a new mind and new Self understanding - my Fathers Kingdom IS HERE ALREADY all around You - you have ALWAYS existed WITHIN IT - yet at present you simply do not see or appreciate it...it IS all about Self understanding - know who and what you are - NOT a mortal finite human Being - but a spiritual and ETERNAL Being - experience it directly here and now in life, and then and only then can you know what you are doing here, how you got here and what may come next - only with that Self truth can you CHOOSE what to Create OF your Self and so reveal your Self in a legitimate manner...

Have you ever stopped to consider that I used many visible bodies to testify on My behalf who end up writing and speaking for Me;

Psalm 34
11: Come, O sons, listen to me, I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Psalm 32
8: I will instruct you and teach you the way you should go; I will counsel you with my eye upon you.

Jeremiah 15:
15: Behold, I am bringing upon you a nation from afar, O house of Israel, says the LORD. It is an enduring nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say.

Isaiah 41
13: For I, the LORD your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, "Fear not, I will help you."

Isaiah 45
5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me,
6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7: I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.

Revelation 3:
20: Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

John 18:
37: Pilate said to him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth hears my voice."

Exodus 19:
5: Now therefore, if you will obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is mine,

Ezekiel 12
25: But I the LORD will speak the word which I will speak, and it will be performed. It will no longer be delayed, but in your days, O rebellious house, I will speak the word and perform it, says the Lord GOD."

Hosea 13
4: I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

Exodus 4:
10: But Moses said to the LORD, "Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either heretofore or since thou hast spoken to thy servant; but I am slow of speech and of tongue."
11: Then the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him dumb, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
12: Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak."

I AM the same Lord who used all these visible bodies who wrote and spoke for Me in the past. The servant who is typing this post is doing exactly what I command him to write or speak.

 

[GodsVoice]

You say above that, "Those invisible waves don't take up any space in the way we define space." Indeed, I wonder if there is any other way different from the way we define space. I define space as an accident of matter as for instance the distance between matter and matter. That's the space that comes to my mind. If there is any other kind, I would indeed be pleased to have someone share it with me. Atheists like to say there is but they can't understand any better than I do.

What "matter" are you referring to? Are you talking about those very tiny specks ( particles ) that most confused physicists talk about as "particles"? Don't you know those particles are only illusions formed from invisible waves?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Oh my goodness, does this poster actually believe he or she is God incarnate? Hilarious.

 

[GodsVoice]

You're not sharing knowledge; you're sharing beliefs. And you're giving us the usual guff we hear from preachers: "I'm sharing knowledge", "I'm simply hear to warn you" etc. We happen to have a term for that sort of thing. You know what it is? Preaching!

I don't have any "beliefs". I know things that no man has ever known before and those who are interested, I share that knowledge with them. It's obvious you're not chosen to participate in this knowledge that's required to know who you really are in the MIND.

 

[GodsVoice]

Oh my goodness, does this poster actually believe he or she is God incarnate? Hilarious.

I AM the GOD of ALL MINDS. When you get to know Me, then you will get to know yourself.

 

[Rival]

Oh my goodness, does this poster actually believe he or she is God incarnate? Hilarious.

Of course I am. Problem?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't have any "beliefs". I know things that no man has ever known before and those who are interested, I share that knowledge with them. It's obvious you're not chosen to participate in this knowledge that's required to know who you really are in the MIND.

I see. So you can build a stable fission reactor from scratch? Can you collapse a planet into a micro-singularity?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Of course I am. Problem?

Well it seems there's more than one God right now. How do we know which is the real deal? Only one way to find out: FIIIIIGHT!!

 

[Rival]

Well it seems there's more than one God right now. How do we know which is the real deal? Only one way to find out: FIIIIIGHT!!

No! I have a better challenge.

I wrote a book. Now my bet is that no-one can write a book like it, thereby proving that I am God. By the way I'll be the judge of this contest, just to keep things fair, ok?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

No! I have a better challenge.

I wrote a book. Now my bet is that no-one can write a book like it, thereby proving that I am God. By the way I'll be the judge of this contest, just to keep things fair, ok?

Well you're God so why on earth would I bother to even question it? You know better. I know this because the book you wrote told me so.

 

[Ben Avraham]

What "matter" are you referring to? Are you talking about those very tiny specks ( particles ) that most confused physicists talk about as "particles"? Don't you know those particles are only illusions formed from invisible waves?

I am referring to all kinds of matter. The thing the Universe is composed of. Visible and not so. Any thing contains matter, even the invisible atom.

 

[Altfish]

The field in verse 5 only refers to the Garden of Eden, they are no tthe planst of the earth in 1:11.

GEn 1:26-27 tells what God did, 2:19 tells how He did it.

Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.

Same as above.


Gen 1:26-27 is the 6th day. Gen 2:21-22 is also the 6th day. There are not 2 creation stories. Gen 1 is basically what God did on each day,. Gen 2 is basically how He did it on teh 6th day.


Gen 6:5-6 does not say God was not pleased with His creation. It says He was displeased with the conduct of men. The fall of ADam and Eve, made what God created very good, no longer good.


Hint---Atheists CAN'T understand the Bible, they continue to show the accuracy of 1 Cor 2:14.

As usual it needs interpretation, why couldn't this supreme being us clear concise language? He should confer with The Plain English Society...
Plain English Campaign

So, were animals created before or after Adam? Your excuse is not clear.

Maybe I do need more spirit, now where did put that bottle of Glenfiddich;

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You can kill the body that's writing this post but I will remain forever. Fighting won't do any good.

If you really know everything you'd know that post isn't serious; it's a reference to something. That proves your claims are false.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks....

Hes god -shes god - no its him - no - over here - its me..and ME - no the guy with the big nose far left - HEs god - or it is that fit blonde lady winking at me ?....damn - just so hard to decide...lol....

Anyway - I thought - we were all Negan ..???... Thats what I heard last.........lol.....

Hmm - god of the bible - Negan from walking dead - actually they are very SIMILAR when I consider - violence, intimidation - my way or DIE - Hmmm - maybe I stumbled onto summat there....lol..