How can you literally believe...

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Forever Catholic;

If you ever decide to study Church history, you will find that apostolic teaching has been entirely consistent within Catholicism since Christ first commanded the apostles to “teach all nations,” specifying that “whoever hears you hears me.” The apostles did not only preach to the people in general. They had disciples of their own. Many of these men were ordained by the apostles, and passed their teachings on both orally and in writing, which is where we get the term “Sacred Tradition.”

Hmm - so your RELIGION tells you to believe - but - do you think they may be a tad - bias..??...lol

Everything I said in my earlier post is entirely correct and easily verfiiable.... Here look this is one of your high up religious leaders explaining the truth for you regarding this Nicea event and the manufacturing of bogus canon :

"Excepting Constantine himself and Eusebius Pamphilius, they were a set of illiterate, simple creatures who understood nothing"
(Secrets of the Christian Fathers, Bishop J. W. Sergerus, 1685, 1897 reprint).

See clearly then , when your bible new part was MANUFACTURED at this event, the leaders of these various sects, had no actual input in the formation of the "catholic religion".. They understood nothing of what was occurring, and were merely in attendance with their documents as ordered by the emporer.. THEY themselves did not even decide that which was to be included or discarded as doctrine - they had NO SAY WHATSOEVER in what was to put into their "bible" - and so your claim above of some kind of "sacred tradition" is in effect completely bogus as look at ACTUAL REAL WORLD HISTORIC EVENTS and see the truth clearly... That guy I quote above is a BISHOP of your religion - and he has just told you clearly that only Constantine and his personal aide Eusibius, were the only peoplw with any authority or control at that event -THEY decided EVERYTHING about your bible and they didnt give two hoots about anything that came before, could nto care less about spiritual truth, and merely wanted all the civil unrest to stop - CLEARLY STATED here - look at the next quote to see what actually happened - they gathered all your religious leaders and their books - then your so called church fathers had NO INPUT at all as Constantine told his aide directly :

"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."

Understand now..?..Constantine - sick of civil war among his subjects - ORDERS them to "play nicely" - and gives them NO CHOICE in what was to happen...HIS SCHOLARS decided "christian doctrine" and that is undeniable..His scholars literally cut n paste a NEW version of "truth" from over 1000 PRE EXISTANT ORIGINAL TEXTS - cobbled together a set of COMPLIMENTARY books then forced it upon the world as the ONLY truth permitted !! They then set about destroying and eradicating all original spiritual knowledge whwrever they found it, without mercy compassion or exception they tortured and murdered any and all who would not accept THEIR version - and through this despicable and wholly evil regime they literally REPLACED the ORIGINAL truth that Christ gave, with their own bogus twisted doctrines...

If YOU knew actual history then you would see this is undeniable - your bible new canon is a bogus twisted truth manufactured to order by a military leader to quell unrest among the peoples he has already conquered....To keep the peace and to ENFORCE CONTROL he literally invented a "new religion" and MADE them all abide by HIS RULES.....This is so undeniable that it is a FACT that is indeed admitted BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ITSELF - and when we ask them DIRECTLY where the canon comes from -THIS is the answer given OFFICIALLY by them :

"the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled" (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels "do
not go back to the first century of the Christian era"
Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed.,vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).

Thats their first admission even stated on the preface, right at the start in their OWN encyclopedia !! Let it sink in - fully admitted - the GOSPELS DO NOT DATE BACK TO THE LIFE OF CHRIST - are NOT to be found at all in the FIRST century - and that means that whatever the gospels contain now is NOT and CAN NOT BE EVER, written by Christ ,disciple or ANY eye witness at all.....And further they go on to admit this HUGE GAP - of nearly FOUR HUNDRED YEARS before the gospels ARE known and sanctioned...LOOK :

the earliest of the extant manuscripts of the New Testament, it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD"
(Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

See NOW..?...the church OFFICIALLY STATES in its own encyclopedia that THEIR OWN COPIES - the EARLIEST and original versions that THEY THEMSELVES ACTUALLY HOLD IN ARCHIVES - DO NOT DATE BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE FOURTH CENTURY !!!

Let that sink in too - understand clearly, they have just told us in plain English - they hold the EARLIEST copies of canon ANYWHERE in the world - and their own copies are from the MID 4th century - and that is EXACTLY when Constantine MANUFACTURED this book for you all....The canon as YOU have it now DID NOT EXIST ANYWHERE UNTIL that event when Constantine INVENTED your religion..!!

Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and itsearliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia , Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)

And see now they have just admitted that after all THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED !!! The AUTHENTICITY - the LEGITIMACY for all this - they tell you outright to TAKE IT FOR GRANTED - in other words, they ask that you blindly trust them

And you do indeed BLINDLY trust them dont you..?..

This process of faithfully passing on to each generation what Christ taught has continued unchanged to this day through an unbroken succession of bishops. Heretical efforts throughout the centuries to co-opt the bible or rewrite history for the purpose of redefining the faith have not changed the truth.

Sure you wouldnt like to retract that now - after seeing your own church leaders admittinig the truth in their own encyclopedia and history..??.....Wise up - they have lied and tricked and manipulated this truth since the beginning - FULLY ADMITTED - if a little obscurely...They dont advertise the truth and would much prefer that you keep swallowing the cr*p they give you, but legitimate truth of all this is there for any who genuinely want to know.. So for Christs sake - as they say - just quit being so gullable.....DAMN those pharisees, religious authority - they DO NOT KNOW TRUTH He warned you (all) already and when they do, they WITH HOLD It from you seek to dominate you always....Historoy just bares HIS words a s truth - doesnt it..??......He alone is the ONLY one to trust I assure you -and HE would have you forego shun and avoid THAT religion and especially that "god" entirely....This is WHY they murdered Him -wise up....

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Rusra;

Many of Jesus miracles were done before large crowds, and there were hundreds of eye witnesses to Jesus resurrection. These witnesses were so convinced Jesus was resurrected, they were willing to die rather than deny the Christ.

Yes indeed - HIS MIRACLES - that remember Folks - NO priest of this "god" Yhvh could EVER perform or come close to matching...He came - told them they have the wrong god entirely - proved it with miracles they themselves could NOT perform - first one in public - He heals a LEPER...Understand the significance here - a leper the priest of Yhvh said - was OUTCAST BY THEIR GOD and so became an outcast in SOCIETY also....beyond the gods help entirely - abandoned by that god, so the priest NEVER heals them - CAN NOT HEAL THEM.....I keep saying it - but do let it sink in Folks - it is crucial to understand His truth - because look closely - things such as magik -sorcery - Divine intervention - common EVERYDAY EVENTS to these people - check their history for clarity - yet something EXTRAORDINARY about Christ catches and captivates their attention makes Him stand out from the crowd...MANY claimed to be this "messiah" - many indeed - but NONE received the treatment that the religion gave to Him alone and NONE other have had such a lasting monumental impact.. Something about Christ alone, was seen as a threat by the pharisees where none of those others had threatened before..They act ot silence HIM but left all those others unmolested....His difference was HIS DIVINE TRUTH amply demonstrated time after time - MIRACLES that no priest of Yhvh EVER performed

My mate finds such a leper - heals Him IMMEDIIATLY with just a spoken Word and a Divine touch -TELLS him to now GO FIND A PRIEST - show then FIRST what I have done...He wanted no fuss or public commotion - wanted to PERSUADE the priesthood by His obvious truth just demonstrated...But that leper man ruined it -mortal free will ruined it - instead the leper runs off tot he market and all the other common folks - starts to tall everyone WOW LOOK WHAT HAPPENED -yesterday Iam a leper -today Iam WHOLE and look THIS MAN DID IT, HE IS THE MESSIAH !!!

oops - confrontation inevitable !!! The priest come find Christ - do indeed confront Him and are openly hostile to Him in public in that first meeting - read it in that bible even - John canon version - see Christ even there, tell them face to face that their god is NOT His Fatherr at all....His truth quite literally fractured the very foundation of their faith...WRONG GOD He said - not Divine - not the Source of Creation - lies and deceipt He warned... All PROVED by many MANY such miracles that I remind you (all) the priests of Yhvh COULD NOT MATCH or ACHIEVE.. When the Jews finally realised His direct threat to their status - taking people AWAY fromthe temple entirely - away from THEIR authoirty - and they,POWERLESS to stop Him as everyne SAW HIS TRUTH, KNEW He was legitimate -and so did the priesthood fuinally realise also...So, as we know, they go to Rome and have them MURDER HIM to silence this new truth and direct threat to their power and status....

Except - CHRIST IS DIVINE - the death of the mortal form of Yeshua was entirely NECASSARY, and so actually it is CHRIST HIMSELF who makes it happen - practically tells Judas to betray Him - tells Judas it is vital and necassary....He knows - when He rises it will be the final proof they all need - undeniable truth of Who and What THEY ARE - a LIVING ETERNAL SOUL - demonstrated clearly as He returns from mortal death just as He taught and just as He promised was possible...

And yes indeed Folks - THIS EVENT - the resurrection - totally DESTROYS the Jewish faith - in the first few years as said elsewhere over a HUNDRED NEW RELIGIONS all formed trying to now make sense of all this confusion and chicanery...Pity - but it was still the original pharisees - dominant group - that managed to cling to authority all the way through - and it is the SAME false priesthood worshipping the same false deity that is still in charge to this day..

 

[GodsVoice]

Hi Folks..

Forever Catholic;

Hmm - so your RELIGION tells you to believe - but - do you think they may be a tad - bias..??...lol

Everything I said in my earlier post is entirely correct and easily verfiiable.... Here look this is one of your high up religious leaders explaining the truth for you regarding this Nicea event and the manufacturing of bogus canon :



See clearly then , when your bible new part was MANUFACTURED at this event, the leaders of these various sects, had no actual input in the formation of the "catholic religion".. They understood nothing of what was occurring, and were merely in attendance with their documents as ordered by the emporer.. THEY themselves did not even decide that which was to be included or discarded as doctrine - they had NO SAY WHATSOEVER in what was to put into their "bible" - and so your claim above of some kind of "sacred tradition" is in effect completely bogus as look at ACTUAL REAL WORLD HISTORIC EVENTS and see the truth clearly... That guy I quote above is a BISHOP of your religion - and he has just told you clearly that only Constantine and his personal aide Eusibius, were the only peoplw with any authority or control at that event -THEY decided EVERYTHING about your bible and they didnt give two hoots about anything that came before, could nto care less about spiritual truth, and merely wanted all the civil unrest to stop - CLEARLY STATED here - look at the next quote to see what actually happened - they gathered all your religious leaders and their books - then your so called church fathers had NO INPUT at all as Constantine told his aide directly :



Understand now..?..Constantine - sick of civil war among his subjects - ORDERS them to "play nicely" - and gives them NO CHOICE in what was to happen...HIS SCHOLARS decided "christian doctrine" and that is undeniable..His scholars literally cut n paste a NEW version of "truth" from over 1000 PRE EXISTANT ORIGINAL TEXTS - cobbled together a set of COMPLIMENTARY books then forced it upon the world as the ONLY truth permitted !! They then set about destroying and eradicating all original spiritual knowledge whwrever they found it, without mercy compassion or exception they tortured and murdered any and all who would not accept THEIR version - and through this despicable and wholly evil regime they literally REPLACED the ORIGINAL truth that Christ gave, with their own bogus twisted doctrines...

If YOU knew actual history then you would see this is undeniable - your bible new canon is a bogus twisted truth manufactured to order by a military leader to quell unrest among the peoples he has already conquered....To keep the peace and to ENFORCE CONTROL he literally invented a "new religion" and MADE them all abide by HIS RULES.....This is so undeniable that it is a FACT that is indeed admitted BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ITSELF - and when we ask them DIRECTLY where the canon comes from -THIS is the answer given OFFICIALLY by them :



Thats their first admission even stated on the preface, right at the start in their OWN encyclopedia !! Let it sink in - fully admitted - the GOSPELS DO NOT DATE BACK TO THE LIFE OF CHRIST - are NOT to be found at all in the FIRST century - and that means that whatever the gospels contain now is NOT and CAN NOT BE EVER, written by Christ ,disciple or ANY eye witness at all.....And further they go on to admit this HUGE GAP - of nearly FOUR HUNDRED YEARS before the gospels ARE known and sanctioned...LOOK :



See NOW..?...the church OFFICIALLY STATES in its own encyclopedia that THEIR OWN COPIES - the EARLIEST and original versions that THEY THEMSELVES ACTUALLY HOLD IN ARCHIVES - DO NOT DATE BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE FOURTH CENTURY !!!

Let that sink in too - understand clearly, they have just told us in plain English - they hold the EARLIEST copies of canon ANYWHERE in the world - and their own copies are from the MID 4th century - and that is EXACTLY when Constantine MANUFACTURED this book for you all....The canon as YOU have it now DID NOT EXIST ANYWHERE UNTIL that event when Constantine INVENTED your religion..!!



And see now they have just admitted that after all THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED !!! The AUTHENTICITY - the LEGITIMACY for all this - they tell you outright to TAKE IT FOR GRANTED - in other words, they ask that you blindly trust them

And you do indeed BLINDLY trust them dont you..?..



Sure you wouldnt like to retract that now - after seeing your own church leaders admittinig the truth in their own encyclopedia and history..??.....Wise up - they have lied and tricked and manipulated this truth since the beginning - FULLY ADMITTED - if a little obscurely...They dont advertise the truth and would much prefer that you keep swallowing the cr*p they give you, but legitimate truth of all this is there for any who genuinely want to know.. So for Christs sake - as they say - just quit being so gullable.....DAMN those pharisees, religious authority - they DO NOT KNOW TRUTH He warned you (all) already and when they do, they WITH HOLD It from you seek to dominate you always....Historoy just bares HIS words a s truth - doesnt it..??......He alone is the ONLY one to trust I assure you -and HE would have you forego shun and avoid THAT religion and especially that "god" entirely....This is WHY they murdered Him -wise up....

Here's some quotes from the God I know that can be quite humorous to those who know that Christianity isn't what Christians think it is.

Since the Romans were pagan worshippers, did you expect not to see their church?

The church of God isn't quite the same as a Christian church. It doesn't have a floor, walls, windows, doors, ceilings, roof, pews, altar, pulpit and not even a good sound system.

Just think of all the poor people who could have lived on the real estate the churches were built on if they would have interpreted the scriptures properly.

A cathedral in Europe makes you forget all about God while you're admiring the millions of hours of hand crafted idols in them.

Some churches have found a gold mine in Jesus. Do you suppose this is what Jesus meant by the poor and meek inheriting the Kingdom?

There's a reason the churches are preaching a false gospel today. The profits are much better.

If there wasn't any money in preaching the gospel, it would be left up to the saints who preach for free.

The Vatican boys made so much money off the poor that they could afford to dress up for every occasion, even for their favorite little boys.

 

[Desert Snake]

Constantine the blessed didn't invent Christianity, he converted after a religious experience, and simply enacted it /by authority, into the kingdom.

If he had built another pagan temple, then presumably no one would be accusing him of inventing paganism.

 

[GodsVoice]

Constantine the blessed didn't invent Christianity, he converted after a religious experience, and simply enacted it /by authority, into the kingdom.

If he had built another pagan temple, then presumably no one would be accusing him of inventing paganism.

Constantine only converted to show all these pagan Christians that he was like them and then he announced that he would be a temporary pope. He was a lying pagan is all he was and he began making up new words ( laws ) for the Christians to chant contrary to the Law of God ( Gospel ) that God's saints were preaching before they were all killed by the pagan worshipers who love their false gospels. Pagans couldn't understand the Law of God but they stole many words from the Gospel to use with their pagan traditions and doctrines they were comfortable with. These false gospels, traditions and pagan doctrines are what made up the New Testament writings.

The true Gospel writings by God's saints who testified for Him were taught by the Vatican boys that they were "evil gnostic" writings because they could not understand anything in those words from the true Word of God. The New Testament has deceived every single reader since the Catholic priests started teaching their followers ( Christians ) from those pagan words.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; What else can we call it..?...He did indeed conceive of a scheme to unite them all as ONE RELIGION that as yet did not even exist - and so he has indeed INVENTED It and literally manufactured it - as he did indeed have THEM gather together all their SACRED TEXTS - he did then indeed have his AIDE and a gang of scribes - who had NO BELIEF IN OR SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THESE TEXTS - NONE WHATSOEVER - yet he had THEM decide what was truth and what was discarded.. To all intents and purposes here he did indeed literally manufacture a whole new set of books made us from other pre existng books the passed the off as legitimate truth and the ONLY truth permitted....That is a manufactured book then that is outright FRAUD...

He did indeed ORDER his aide PRECISELY and laid out his own clear intentions - search ALL THEIR BOOKS - cobble together one narrative designed and forced it to agree with them all.. A spiritually ignorant set of scholars did this - not church leaders - not ANY believer at all - none had previous knowledge of the legitimate truth -and crucially -NONE HAD THE HOLY GHOST - did they

Now - any who TRULY know Christ - will know indeed - this legitimate phenomena of DIRECT COMMUNION WITH THE DIVINE is indeed the very FOUNDATION of all spiritual truth....On THIS rock I set my church He told SIMON then changed his name to PETER to reflect this legitimate truth.. Seek and find this inner Presence He said - ALWAYS use it for guidance - the Holy Ghost alone, reveals legitimate truth of the Divine , without it there is only poverty He said...And look - again undeniable - NONE of them actually had that personal communion - none of them were even seeking after it or even interested in that god at all - it was all about CIVIL UNREST - as Constantine himself clearly said when he told his aide he was doing this specifically -

"And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake"

Not a hint of spiritual truth - he does not state he is doing it because of spiritual legitimacy or because he himself follows that god or anything like - no such agenda expressed at all...BUT he just says plainly he is doing it to STOP RELIGIOUS WARS among the people he has already conquered and THAT is his only reason offered -the agenda her e is just as I say, he is sick ad tired of all their in fighting and so basically MAKES them play nicely together - gives them new rules and new leadership and FORCES all to obey....he could not care less about legitimate spiritual truth - he just wants peace and the civil unrest to stop - obviously.......

Again - EVERYTHING that we are taught about all this history - all our mainstream academics - WHOLLY INFLUENCED BY CATHOLIC CHURCH - as understand - for near 1400 years or so they had absolute control over EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY right up til the last few centuries or so...Especially academic knowledge and the sciences - CHURCH sponsored SHOOL and UNIVERSITY - and it was CHURCH that literally controlled the history that we are taught to accept as "fact"....THEY told us Constantine was a christian - but when we go look at actual FACTS then we see for sure that was not the case after all and that was not the REAL WORLD SITUATION at all...

He just told you (all) above WHY he did it and it had nothing to do with spiritual truth...lol..despite the lies that church repeatedly tells...Indeed - lies told often enough and enforced enough do indeed become a "kind of truth" blindly accepted - enforce those lies with threats intimidation violence and murder and pretty sooon people start accepting your lies as unquestioned truth - and that is EXACTLY what has happend here with this bible canon malarky...Evil manipulation has made the church a dominant force - but it wa s never a LEGITIMATE truth of Christ at all and that religion is NOT of my Father...

 

[Forever_Catholic]

Everything I said in my earlier post is entirely correct and easily verfiiable.... Here look this is one of your high up religious leaders explaining the truth for you regarding this Nicea event and the manufacturing of bogus canon :

I’ve been searching for info on Bishop J. W. Sergerus on the internet, and find absolutely nothing about him except for what is already obvious – that he was a crackpot heretic who called himself a bishop and wrote a book of anti-Christian BS and implausibly false history.

He does not in any way represent the Catholic Church,

Nothing in your post speaks for the Catholic Church..

 

[Forever_Catholic]

Constantine only converted to show all these pagan Christians that he was like them and then he announced that he would be a temporary pope.

That statement means you can read Constantine's thoughts from the year 312 and hear an announcement he never made. Pretty impressive,

 

[GodsVoice]

That statement means you can read Constantine's thoughts from the year 312 and hear an announcement he never made. Pretty impressive,

No Catholic is going to believe the Truth and neither will any religious person who builds false gods with his human hands and worships those objects. The Beast is very strong in the minds of men and Satan makes them believe they're real people living on a real planet.

 

[columbus]

No Catholic is going to believe the Truth and neither will any religious person who builds false gods with his human hands and worships those objects. The Beast is very strong in the minds of men and Satan makes them believe they're real people living on a real planet.

What makes your opinions more credible than Forever Catholics?
Tom

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Hi Folks..

Syncretic; What else can we call it..?...He did indeed conceive of a scheme to unite them all as ONE RELIGION that as yet did not even exist - and so he has indeed INVENTED It and literally manufactured it - as he did indeed have THEM gather together all their SACRED TEXTS - he did then indeed have his AIDE and a gang of scribes - who had NO BELIEF IN OR SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THESE TEXTS - NONE WHATSOEVER - yet he had THEM decide what was truth and what was discarded.. To all intents and purposes here he did indeed literally manufacture a whole new set of books made us from other pre existng books the passed the off as legitimate truth and the ONLY truth permitted....That is a manufactured book then that is outright FRAUD...

He did indeed ORDER his aide PRECISELY and laid out his own clear intentions - search ALL THEIR BOOKS - cobble together one narrative designed and forced it to agree with them all.. A spiritually ignorant set of scholars did this - not church leaders - not ANY believer at all - none had previous knowledge of the legitimate truth -and crucially -NONE HAD THE HOLY GHOST - did they

Now - any who TRULY know Christ - will know indeed - this legitimate phenomena of DIRECT COMMUNION WITH THE DIVINE is indeed the very FOUNDATION of all spiritual truth....On THIS rock I set my church He told SIMON then changed his name to PETER to reflect this legitimate truth.. Seek and find this inner Presence He said - ALWAYS use it for guidance - the Holy Ghost alone, reveals legitimate truth of the Divine , without it there is only poverty He said...And look - again undeniable - NONE of them actually had that personal communion - none of them were even seeking after it or even interested in that god at all - it was all about CIVIL UNREST - as Constantine himself clearly said when he told his aide he was doing this specifically -

"And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake"

Not a hint of spiritual truth - he does not state he is doing it because of spiritual legitimacy or because he himself follows that god or anything like - no such agenda expressed at all...BUT he just says plainly he is doing it to STOP RELIGIOUS WARS among the people he has already conquered and THAT is his only reason offered -the agenda her e is just as I say, he is sick ad tired of all their in fighting and so basically MAKES them play nicely together - gives them new rules and new leadership and FORCES all to obey....he could not care less about legitimate spiritual truth - he just wants peace and the civil unrest to stop - obviously.......

Again - EVERYTHING that we are taught about all this history - all our mainstream academics - WHOLLY INFLUENCED BY CATHOLIC CHURCH - as understand - for near 1400 years or so they had absolute control over EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY right up til the last few centuries or so...Especially academic knowledge and the sciences - CHURCH sponsored SHOOL and UNIVERSITY - and it was CHURCH that literally controlled the history that we are taught to accept as "fact"....THEY told us Constantine was a christian - but when we go look at actual FACTS then we see for sure that was not the case after all and that was not the REAL WORLD SITUATION at all...

He just told you (all) above WHY he did it and it had nothing to do with spiritual truth...lol..despite the lies that church repeatedly tells...Indeed - lies told often enough and enforced enough do indeed become a "kind of truth" blindly accepted - enforce those lies with threats intimidation violence and murder and pretty sooon people start accepting your lies as unquestioned truth - and that is EXACTLY what has happend here with this bible canon malarky...Evil manipulation has made the church a dominant force - but it wa s never a LEGITIMATE truth of Christ at all and that religion is NOT of my Father...

So the Bible can't be trusted as it is altered, cobbled together, and thusly inaccurate, and as evidence of this you produce..passages from that same book.

Nope, no problem here.

 

[Desert Snake]

No Catholic is going to believe the Truth and neither will any religious person who builds false gods with his human hands and worships those objects. The Beast is very strong in the minds of men and Satan makes them believe they're real people living on a real planet.

1. I'm not a catholic
2. The catholic church does not represent every church founder/leader
3. the modern catholic church is not a continual expression of religious belief, hence they now adhere to evolution etc etc
4. If the epistles are fiction, then presumably so are the gospel, and the 'other' gospels, ie it doesn't help your argument
5. if the NT is fiction, then why did you use verses in another thread ./from the Bible

 

[GodsVoice]

What makes your opinions more credible than Forever Catholics?
Tom

I don't have an opinion about anything. I simply write or speak the words that God gives me and those words come out the way you read them. You don't have to believe God but you will know His voice when you wake up on the New Earth after the day of the Lord kills all the inhabitants who believe they're real people living on a real planet called earth.

 

[columbus]

I don't have an opinion about anything. I simply write or speak the words that God gives me and those words come out the way you read them. You don't have to believe God but you will know His voice when you wake up on the New Earth after the day of the Lord kills all the inhabitants who believe they're real people living on a real planet called earth.

You're kidding yourself dude.
It is you claiming to be the voice of god. That is not God.
Tom

 

[GodsVoice]

1. i'm not a catholic
2. The catholic church does not represent every church founder/leader
3. the modern catholic church is not a continual expression of religious belief, hence they now adhere to evolution etc etc
4. If the epistles are fiction, then presumably so are the gospel, and the 'other' gospels, ie it doesn't help your argument
5. if the NT is fiction, then why did you use verses in another thread ./from the Bible

I'm the last servant to testify to the knowledge of God that's required to understand everything about the creation, God, His voice, the invisible MIND, the Beast, the day of the Lord destruction, how we're able to observe images, and how we will experience life on the New Earth. Everything you need to know about these matters, God can teach you through the one writing this sentence.

Many passages in the OT are about listening to the voice of the Lord and obeying His commandments which is the only possible way to the Truth of who we are and all these questions man has in his MIND about where he came from and how everything else came into being.

I was destined to be one of those servants who were forced to listen to His voice and obey all His commandments starting 37 years ago and now I"m still obeying HIm by writing and speaking the words He gives me within the MIND. This is how we are taught this knowledge.

When you wake up on the New Earth with your new partner of the opposite sex, you will know My voice like all the prophets and saints did who were used to testify on His behalf.

 

[GodsVoice]

You're kidding yourself dude.
It is you claiming to be the voice of god. That is not God.
Tom

The religious Jews didn't believe Me either when I used bodies named Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Stephen, Paul and all the rest of the flesh of man to write and speak for Me.

 

[columbus]

The religious Jews didn't believe Me either when I used bodies named Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Stephen, Paul and all the rest of the flesh of man to write and speak for Me.

Have you ever convinced anyone besides yourself that you speak for God?
If so, how did you do it?

To me, you are just more evidence that God doesn't care about what I believe or do. If He did He would not send humans like you to make unsupported assertions. He would tell me Himself.
Tom

 

[GodsVoice]

Have you ever convinced anyone besides yourself that you speak for God?
If so, how did you do it?

To me, you are just more evidence that God doesn't care about what I believe or do. If He did He would not send humans like you to make unsupported assertions. He would tell me Himself.
Tom

I don't have to convince anyone. God has already chosen his believers starting with the 80 year old believers I witnessing listening to His voice ( the Gospel ) who have known Him since they were small children. As soon as they hear the Gospel, they knew it was Him. I witnessed many thousands of believers listening to his voice up to 3 hours at a time and learning the deep knowledge that it takes to understand who he is. It's amazing thing to watch the reactions of all these believers. Most of them thanked me and many of them gave me hugs. Sometimes I watched up to 20 young people in a group listening to his voice and each one of them would line up and give me hugs with some of them crying with joy.

I have met many believers in the various websites I preach his voice in but of course in written form which is much harder to do on my part because I have to type constantly. It's much easier to speak each word he forms in my MIND which by the way is God where I hear the voice. We all are experiencing life in His MIND.

 

[columbus]

God has already chosen his believers

Then why are you pushing me away from God?
Tom

 

[james bond]

I didn't start the thread.

I made no claims. You claimed there was a resurrection, thus you must prove it. This is the most basic and simple of rules for debate. The resurrection doesn't need disproven, it needs proven.

Assume much, do we?

And you would fail...utterly, totally, and completely.

My bad. You replied to a post addressed to the OP.

Not really.

You didn't answer my question, so there you go.

Christianity isn't a myth like Greek mythology 5th-4th century BCE. Do you know how it was shown to be a myth? Probably a Christian disproved it.