How can you literally believe...

[Timothy Bryce]

Well Charlie Brown, I can add two things. Firstly, you would need to present historical counter evidence in refutation of the Resurrection. And secondly would need to prove that the apostles died for a lie. Empirical evidence is not the only kind we can rely on to support events such as the Resurrection.

You've got the whole thing backwards. And you deserve to be censored for expressing this trash in a public forum.

I'll assist the public in putting this forward:

No one is compelled to "present historical counter-evidence" in refutation of your outrageous and obviously bogus claim that your apostles' martyrdom is in anyway relevant; maybe do us all a favor and follow your apostles and kill yourself as a direct result of your faith; that certainly is the only way you can confirm your bull****. Do it. It'll give your garbage opinions more credibility if you do it - especially if you record it and post it on this forum. I guarantee it'll be moving stuff.

 

[GodsVoice]

Well Charlie Brown, I can add two things. Firstly, you would need to present historical counter evidence in refutation of the Resurrection. And secondly would need to prove that the apostles died for a lie. Empirical evidence is not the only kind we can rely on to support events such as the Resurrection.


For example, I could ask why Christianity flourished into modern times, and was not dropped entirely by its believers (such as myself) after 2000 years. Furthermore, I can use a simple process of deduction, to say this: considering the fact that so many people started to believe in the Gospel, and were radically converted by it, is only one way of validating it's truth. If Jesus didn't exist, then there would be NO Gospel, nor apostles, or Christianity.

NO. If there wasn't information called the Beast, there wouldn't be anyone building things with their human hands and learning all the new languages necessary to describe those things ( false gods ) to draw the plans, build them, clean and maintain them, live with them and eventually haul them out to the garbage dumps which now take corporations to take care of.

The Gospel of God that I preach is the voice of God which is totally invisible to man. Only the one's chosen to listen to My voice and obey My commandments will learn about the Beast and why it was necessary to build all these false gods with human hands. Once this knowledge is clearly understood, then God takes you into the very deep knowledge to understand who "God and His voice" is and how it was created. Those of us who testify to this deep knowledge learn how we're going to experience life in the next part of the program that was promised by the Creator to never end.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

You've got the whole thing backwards. And you deserve to be censored for expressing this trash in a public forum.

I'll assist the public in putting this forward:

No one is compelled to "present historical counter-evidence" in refutation of your outrageous and obviously bogus claim that your apostles' martyrdom is in anyway relevant; maybe do us all a favor and follow your apostles and kill yourself as a direct result of your faith; that certainly is the only way you can confirm your bull****. Do it. It'll give your garbage opinions more credibility if you do it - especially if you record it and post it on this forum. I guarantee it'll be moving stuff.

Wow, literally asking me to commit suicide? That's pretty harsh. I don't remember the apostles doing that. What I remember them doing, is allowing them selves to BE killed out of love for Christ. Willingly going through trial and tribulation. So both your point and request for an end to my life, is both wretched and illogical. I don't remember asking the same of you.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

You've got the whole thing backwards. And you deserve to be censored for expressing this trash in a public forum.

I'll assist the public in putting this forward:

No one is compelled to "present historical counter-evidence" in refutation of your outrageous and obviously bogus claim that your apostles' martyrdom is in anyway relevant; maybe do us all a favor and follow your apostles and kill yourself as a direct result of your faith; that certainly is the only way you can confirm your bull****. Do it. It'll give your garbage opinions more credibility if you do it - especially if you record it and post it on this forum. I guarantee it'll be moving stuff.

And so long as there is no evidence against my position in terms of history, I have no reason to doubt it. Would you allow yourself to die, by going into enemy territory to preach a religiously blasphemous message to the people, for a false belief? I assume not.


The very reason they did that shows they had sufficient evidence to know they were correct. I know I wouldn't do that if I had no reason to. And I hope you wouldn't either.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Wow, literally asking me to commit suicide? That's pretty harsh. I don't remember the apostles doing that. What I remember them doing, is allowing them selves to BE killed out of love for Christ. Willingly going through trial and tribulation. So both your point and request for an end to my life, is both wretched and illogical. I don't remember asking the same of you.

No; you have poor comprehension skills.

"literally asking me to commit suicide"?

Didn't happen.

You stated that Jesus' disciples were noble in the sense that they died for their beliefs; since it's obvious that you have no facts on your side and rely on some rancid human sacrifice to endorse your beliefs, I suggested that, maybe, you'd be more comfortable following the coattails of your (most likely) fictional characters; I wish you luck with that because you're doing noone any favors otherwise.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

And so long as there is no evidence against my position in terms of history, I have no reason to doubt it. Would you allow yourself to die, by going into enemy territory to preach a religiously blasphemous message to the people, for a false belief? I assume not.


The very reason they did that shows they had sufficient evidence to know they were correct. I know I wouldn't do that if I had no reason to. And I hope you wouldn't either.

I've got a major in Modern History & English Literature in addition to my several law qualifications.

You have no clue as to how an astute mind works.

Your only value in posting here is to provide an example of what is to be avoided when considering matters of this nature.

Good luck in educating yourself; you need a hell of a lot of training regarding critical thinking. I wish you all the best - you'll need it.

 

[GodsVoice]

And so long as there is no evidence against my position in terms of history, I have no reason to doubt it. Would you allow yourself to die, by going into enemy territory to preach a religiously blasphemous message to the people, for a false belief? I assume not.


The very reason they did that shows they had sufficient evidence to know they were correct. I know I wouldn't do that if I had no reason to. And I hope you wouldn't either.

For the same reason you're in this forum is the same reason I would have you preach the Gospel in hostile environments.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Welp, I'm officially leaving this thread, thanks to the complaints of many people. Most if not all have either completely misunderstood or misrepresented my arguments and reasons to believe. This is unfortunately a fruitless task - so far as I can tell anyway. So, goodbye (for now) everyone. I genuinely enjoyed taking with you all.

 

[GodsVoice]

I've got a major in Modern History & English Literature in addition to my several law qualifications.

You have no clue as to how an astute mind works.

Your only value in posting here is to provide an example of what is to be avoided when considering matters of this nature.

Good luck in educating yourself; you need a hell of a lot of training regarding critical thinking. I wish you all the best - you'll need it.

Most people value the knowledge they get from what they can see. The knowledge they can't see is what gives them life.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Most people value the knowledge they get from what they can see. The knowledge they can't see is what gives them life.

Welp, I'm officially leaving this thread, thanks to the complaints of many people. Most if not all have either completely misunderstood or misrepresented my arguments and reasons to believe. This is unfortunately a fruitless task - so far as I can tell anyway. So, goodbye (for now) everyone. I genuinely enjoyed taking with you all.

I love free speech.

It enables people to not only voice their opinions and attempt to rationalize them, but also hone their ill-founded misconceptions about the world and (with any luck) transform them into something worthwhile.

Thank you both for conceding the fact that you're both obvious losers in this thread.

Best of luck next time.

 

[Altfish]

Well Charlie Brown, I can add two things. Firstly, you would need to present historical counter evidence in refutation of the Resurrection. And secondly would need to prove that the apostles died for a lie. Empirical evidence is not the only kind we can rely on to support events such as the Resurrection.


For example, I could ask why Christianity flourished into modern times, and was not dropped entirely by its believers (such as myself) after 2000 years. Furthermore, I can use a simple process of deduction, to say this: considering the fact that so many people started to believe in the Gospel, and were radically converted by it, is only one way of validating it's truth. If Jesus didn't exist, then there would be NO Gospel, nor apostles, or Christianity.

Not easy. How do you disprove a miracle, BUT the onus on proof is on those making extravagant claims. You say someone died and then came back to life 3-days later, that is an extravagant claim. You have to prove it, not me disprove it.

There are plenty of people who die for a lie. You are obviously a Christian, do you believe that Muslim suicide bombers will get their virgins and live a life in heaven?

Many people believe in the teachings of L Ron Hubbard and become members of the Church of Scientology - so do you accept that the Xian's are true?
What about those of the Mormon faith, do you accept their need to wear special under garments? Do you believe that you get a planet when you die if you are a good believer?

 

[SoldierofChrist]

I love free speech.

It enables people to not only voice their opinions and attempt to rationalize them, but also hone their ill-founded misconceptions about the world and (with any luck) transform them into something worthwhile.

Thank you both for conceding the fact that you're both obvious losers in this thread.

Best of luck next time.

Realize this though, it wasn't Christianity that you defeated, it was my ability to represent it. I was simply not prepared. I have, in fact, won MANY arguments in the past. I will have all of these comments looked over by a Priest and WILL get back to all of you. This is a tactical retreat, not a white flag. I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing it for the God I believe in. Because of the simple fact that I'm not sufficient enough to defend EVERY aspect of my faith. So, I'll say (a temporary) goodbye for now.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Realize this though, it wasn't Christianity that you defeated, it was my ability to represent it. I was simply not prepared. I have, in fact, won MANY arguments in the past. I will have all of these comments looked over by a Priest and WILL get back to all of you. This is a tactical retreat, not a white flag. I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing it for the God I believe in. Because of the simple fact that I'm not sufficient enough to defend EVERY aspect of my faith. So, I'll say (a temporary) goodbye for now.

Yeah - it was your interpretation of "Christianity" that I, by your own admission, defeated.

When your parish priest is finished having his cum sucked out of him by some wayward 4 year old, I might grant him the privilege of giving his opinion some rational thought.

:Like I think I've said 3+ times in this thread: I look forward to it.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Yeah - it was your interpretation of "Christianity" that I, by your own admission, defeated.

When your parish priest is finished having his cum sucked out of him by some wayward 4 year old, I might grant him the privilege of giving his opinion some rational thought.

:Like I think I've said 3+ times in this thread: I look forward to it.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

Wow, I guess all priests are guilty of the sex abuse scandals huh? Good logic there. Man, if only there wasn't ONE who wasn't a sick *******. How unfortunate.

 

[GodsVoice]

I love free speech.

It enables people to not only voice their opinions and attempt to rationalize them, but also hone their ill-founded misconceptions about the world and (with any luck) transform them into something worthwhile.

Thank you both for conceding the fact that you're both obvious losers in this thread.

Best of luck next time.

The proud of this world cannot keep themselves alive with their worldly knowledge gathered from their created senses. It's those senses that get them very confused. It's good to know the invisible knowledge that it takes to understand how those senses came into being. The real losers are the one's who perish without knowing the invisible things that it takes to make them look alive.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Wow, I guess all priests are guilty of the sex abuse scandals huh? Good logic there. Man, if only there wasn't ONE who wasn't a sick *******. How unfortunate.

You support an unconscionable pedophile ring, There's no mitigation for the rape and torture of children that you have confirmed unfailing support for.

You're sick.

Yuck.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

The proud of this world cannot keep themselves alive with their worldly knowledge gathered from their created senses. It's those senses that get them very confused. It's good to know the invisible knowledge that it takes to understand how those senses came into being. The real losers are the one's who perish without knowing the invisible things that it takes to make them look alive.

Lol, what?

Garbage.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

You support an unconscionable pedophile ring, There's no mitigation for the rape and torture of children that you have confirmed unfailing support for.

You're sick.

Yuck.

I'm sick? Ok...don't know where you get that from. I don't support pedophiles, I support normal loving priests. Thats quite the spiteful insult. I guess you ARE saying that ALL people automatically become pedophilic when they are ordained. Once again, good logic. Not one good priest, thats quite a claim.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

I'm sick? Ok...don't know where you get that from. I don't support pedophiles, I support normal loving priests. Thats quite the spiteful insult. I guess you ARE saying that ALL people automatically become pedophilic when they are ordained. Once again, good logic. Not one good priest, thats quite a claim.

Last sliver of advice to you:

- Attend an adult literacy class

You just embarrassed yourself; you obviously don't know any applicable interpretation of "logic" within the confines of this context.

I hope you improve yourself eventually; though I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[GodsVoice]

Lol, what?

Garbage.

It won't be long before you learn what the true "garbage" is.