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How can you literally believe...

GodsVoice

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Your post comes across as a whining baby.

Please elaborate if you have any shred of self respect,

I totally love Myself and everyone who knows Me because we are ONE together. Those who don't know Me are confused and think I don't love them but I've been near them ever since the beginning. However, the visible images they think are real keeps them too busy thinking the voices they hear in their mind are coming from those images. They will get to know Me when they wake up on the new image they see they're walking on. We call it earth in this generation but I have no idea what it will be called in the next generation. We will be getting ONE new language in the next generation instead of the billions of languages men used in this generation for all the false gods they built with their human hands. All those false gods will be destroyed soon along with all the languages necessary to draw the plans, gather the earthen materials, make tools, construct those earthen materials with the plans that was formed in the King's mind. There are also languages to explain how to clean, maintain and throwing them away after they decay and no one wants them anymore. The last kind of language used with a false god is by the users of them such as the Apple iPhone user who become so attached to that false god that they can't live without it and the voice called Siri.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Good luck with that because preaching is against the rules.

I'm not preaching. I'm sharing knowledge that was revealed to me in my mind. How do you share knowledge that's in your mind? Do you write, type or speak that knowledge to other people? Or is your body language enough to convince other people that you're trying to get their attention or to get them to leave you alone?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Hi "Soldier of Christ," I find your avatar very interesting with that light reflexion right from the INRI plate nailed on the top of Jesus' cross at the command of Pilate. I know it means "Jesus the Nazarene king of the Jews" but, do you know why Pilate commanded that plate to be nailed on the top of Jesus' cross? Because his own disciples were acclaiming him king of the Jews at the entrance of Jerusalem which was a Rome province at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) That's the reason why Jesus was crucified. Under the political charge of insurrection. I wish Christians focused on this truth and stopped slandering the Jews with having crucified Jesus or that Jesus was crucified for the sins of Mankind when we all know that the truth is reflected by that plate in your avatar.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Dharma not drama
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
IOW you don't have an explanation. Since you don't know, why do you not accept that God did it? You say you believe in God; do you not believe He is omnipotent?
You asked how I think the universe came to be, not what the cause of it was. Those are two different questions. However the universe came to be, God was behind it. Now move on.
 

PeteC-UK

Active Member
Hi Folks...

WOW !!! This thread is fast paced :) lots of discussion -and that always a good thing....

SoldierofChrist;
I agree that I copy paste to much, but as I've said, I'm not fully fledged (or plain out smart enough) to put my own spin on what I've read and listened to in the past. But I DO have alot memorized and HAVE written things in my own words in the past many times, but when I'm bombarded by multiple intelligent and articulate people, my only real option, with my insufficient intelligence, is to copy paste information. But nevertheless, it does not mean that what I paste is invalid and or incorrect. I truly am enjoying all of this, and am learning so much. So I wanted to say thanks to you and everyone else. Let me work on something in my own words, and I'll get back to you. As a Soldier does NOT run from battle.

Dont worry so much about your "intelligence" - your doing fine and are FULLY capable :) We we would rather have your OWN personal insights - they would be far more valuable HERE on this forum, as look YOU are here with us yes.?, YOU are now a part of OUR family, community - whereas the authors you quote, are not...lol...they are not so important here then..Speak YOUR mind my friend and have no worries...

A soldier does not run from battle..??....Hmm - my sentiments exactly - ah, but my friend please realise - this is not a "battle" as such - if you know Christ then we are on the same team here - Im not your "enemy" and these others here - even those who dont believe in Christ at all - they are NOT the enemy either ;) Its not so much a mission or an objective to "overcome" them or conquer them or defeat them - but the mission objective is to simply deliver His TRUTH to them - clearly and directly - try to give them ears to hear ;)

I can say, without the influence of other arguments, from Catholics and Protestants alike, that I believe God exists. Why? Because in the end, we all need something we can put our hope in, and that something should be reliable and trustworthy (and the 20 arguments should be more than enough to convince anyone).

Hmm - I can agree with that PRINCIPLE - in that yes indeed - this "god" is very real - Our Father IS very real - and actually IS very accessable, IS DIRECTLY accessable just as Christ showed and promised - but alas some claim to know that directly but clearly do not, crave that truth desperately , yet still, do not ACTUALLY have it at all - and this leads them to delusions of grandeur as we see in this thread.. This leads some to feel superior to the rest and may lead them to make claims and judgements that are not actually authentic at all - wheras IF they really knew my Father, they would know He / It desires peace and harmony and above all things He desires TRUTH of Who and What we ARE to be shared freely, so that indeed we may come tot a state of actual peace and harmony....My Father is UNITY - not division - ONE Sovereign Spirit that Causes ALL - and yet, we must see that actually ALL religion CAUSES division - doesnt it..??.. Religion then - is NOT of my Father - just as Christ said ;)

And yet - the "god" - the force - the PERSONALITY and Entity that CAUSES the worlds to manifest - IS VERY REAL - is LEGITIMATE - god IS REAL Folks - but it IS NOT ANY GOD that we find in ANY religion....Indeed all I can do is assure you (all) as Christ did - and say as He did that actually, in life here and now, we can only -approach - start the journey Home - but we cannot attain my Fathers realm, whilst still mortal and human - even Yeshua HAD to die to realise the Self AS the Christ fully ;) we may start the approach to this Self truth here, but can NEVER achieve the goal - only PREPARE the Self as He instructed - encounter the ETERNAL NATURE OF SELF right now IN LIFE - and thus upon death, we will not be shocked, dismayed or confused, but will be ready to finally proceed further...Thus HIS TRUTH - and His truth alone, truly does "set us free".......Knowing HIS truth - I can say for sure - anybody here then, repeatedly claiming to actually BE god incarnate, claiming to actually be SPEAKING AS that entity - is wholly deluded - or a plain liar...

So Im saying here that YES - DEFINATELY beyond question - there is a DIVINITY - there is a CAUSE for all existance - and it is entirely possible and natural to approach that cause and to seek it out and encounter it EXPERIENCE it DIRECTLY - Christ ALONE teaches us how and tells us what to expect - I just vouch from the direct experiences that what HE says is indeed trustworthy, fully so....BUT - the religion we discuss - the god of that religion - is NOT the Father - not the SOURCE we seek - and so to follow that religion (or any of them) - will most definately take us off down the entirely wrong path as we seek this truth....The Hebrew god IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY - and that is undeniable - just look a what it demands from us and what it has us do "in its name" - NOT MY FATHER....The Hebrew god is a trickster, charlatan, claiming to BE the Diviine Source itself - and at first it even has legitimate reason to believe that - but later it learns its own truth - encoutners the true Divine for itself - but instead of sharing this truth freely - it chose instead to hold us subserviant to it, to dominate us through lies and ignorance of our nature and status....As it openly declared to its own creation - it is a JEALOUS god who tells us outright that OTHER such gods DO exist, but we may have no others before it........Christ alone explains the truth of all that - but HIS truth is not the "relgions" truth at all - and this is WHY He repeatedly told people to come out from under that religious domination and htis is why thta religions priest hood act to SILENCE Him by MURDERING HIM !!

I personally don't find any other religions sufficient and or appealing. Why do I not reject the Resurrection, when there seem to be so many good points made against it? Because I have a hope, that I will live forever with Christ, and have others (from this thread hopefully) to live with me in eternity there. And I know, there are just as many people who can make a solid case for what I believe, as there are people against it.
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Hmm - I will tell you here that the belief you hold now will never be enough to satisfy - this "hope" you speak of - comes wholly from OTHERS - external to your Self - it is THEIR FAITH that you have adopted as truth - it is NOT your truth - not yet ;) Only Christ can show you HOW to turn that hope that faith INTO LIVING TRUTH - only Christ can show you how to ACTUALLY take your Soul and encounter the Divine DIRECTLY and thus experience your living truth DIRECTLY - and only then will the religion be of any benefit to you at all... It is absollutely vital to DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE the spiritual truth - it can NOT be learned secondhand, parrot fashion from others - it can NOT be learned academically from a book or "teacher" - it can ONLY be EXPERIENCED DIRECTLY - then and ONLY then will the truth have any value or real meaning to YOU the Soul...

This is of course the very essence of GNOSIS -and without gnosis ther ewill only ever be confusion Im afraid....The difference in truth - in the QUALITY of truth -is easy to see.....For example - I can TEACH you academically to drive a car for instance - you can learn ALL ABOUT IT form books and videos etc etc - BUT - this is not GNOSIS, this is not LIVING TRUTH - at some point, you will VITALLY NEED to actually get in and drive that car for YOUR SELF - you will need to APPLY that learned knowldge and see how it fits out onthe rela world...Only then through the EXPERIENCE itself can you actually KNOW IT and thus have its truth.......Same here for spiritual endeavours - academic secondhand learned wisdom from books and external sources - only a guidance - will never satisfy -will NEVER give us actual legitimate truth at all - only the LIVING EXPERIENCE will indeed satisfy - this IS Gnosis...

Which is a BIG BIG problem for the relgious mindset - as they immediatly are off down the wrong path so to speak....The LIVING TRUTH is all that matters - BECOME the thing we seek - but look - the religion straight away, has us looking in all the wrong places - the LIVING truth Christ said - is found WITHIN US - the KINGDOM we seek - IS within us - and yet - CONSTANTLY - the religion teaches us contrary to Christ, as the religion says in affect we need to look to PRIEST and to book and to church for our truth - whereas Christ said the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - FIRST put those things away and discover WHO YOU ACTUALLY ARE !! KNOW THY SELF - become fully known and ALL things will be revealed - all TRUTH will be revealed..Look WITHIN the Self He said - shun and avoid ALL that religious influence - shun and avoid all the external world - go alone into a private place, shut the door and seek our Father ALONE in the deep recesses of the MIND....You cannot do this if the mind is full of religious crap and baggage - it MUST be put aside completely - HATE your parents He said because they HAVE led you astray - and in their turn they were misled by the PHARISEE, those who gave the parents bogus false religious version of "truth" - so He said hate your parents traditions and DAMN those religious teachers who did this to you and lead you all astray !!

There is a tension, one that I've never felt before. My pride has told me that I could never be wrong, corrected or refuted. I was on a winning spree, defeating opponent after opponent and thought it would continued here.

Yer - I kinda know what you mean with "tension" - an insisting force pushing you on..??...an urgency that seems vital..??... pride - cometh before the fall - and this is always true.. I remind you - there are no OPPONENTS - no enemies to defeat - only truths to share freely...There is no winner - and I will always do my best to ensure no one loses out - none shall be lost He promises - spiritually, we ARE all equal - I would have you all, as you say, know that eternal truth of Self, and thus reveal my Fathers Kingdom right here and right now for all to share freely..My friend - these here are not opponents or your enemy - these are the Souls you came to help and to indeed RECEIVE such help from them in return - to grow with and to mature with as we share the journey Home...

Seems to me - that you have already begun to look inwards somewhat - and are not afraid to admit the truth s you find there...My advise would be to continue to do so -hold the religion like a referance book perhaps - but not as some kind of "ultimate truth"...Keep delving inward - turn over everything you hold at the core and see what remains - it will change, mature and you will grow right alongside - ALWAYS follow that inner guide - even if it seems bizarre or outright contradictory and even if it brings you confrontation or negativity from everyone else - still, follow that inner guide always - as He says - come to know your self FULLY - seek it out always - you are from this Kingdom that He alone reveals - and you will find it again if it is sort out in earnest ;)
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
You asked how I think the universe came to be, not what the cause of it was. Those are two different questions. However the universe came to be, God was behind it. Now move on.

If God was behind the existence of the Universe, it is only obvious that He caused it to exist. What or who could have done that job?
 
Hi Folks...

WOW !!! This thread is fast paced :) lots of discussion -and that always a good thing....

SoldierofChrist;

Dont worry so much about your "intelligence" - your doing fine and are FULLY capable :) We we would rather have your OWN personal insights - they would be far more valuable HERE on this forum, as look YOU are here with us yes.?, YOU are now a part of OUR family, community - whereas the authors you quote, are not...lol...they are not so important here then..Speak YOUR mind my friend and have no worries...

A soldier does not run from battle..??....Hmm - my sentiments exactly - ah, but my friend please realise - this is not a "battle" as such - if you know Christ then we are on the same team here - Im not your "enemy" and these others here - even those who dont believe in Christ at all - they are NOT the enemy either ;) Its not so much a mission or an objective to "overcome" them or conquer them or defeat them - but the mission objective is to simply deliver His TRUTH to them - clearly and directly - try to give them ears to hear ;)



Hmm - I can agree with that PRINCIPLE - in that yes indeed - this "god" is very real - Our Father IS very real - and actually IS very accessable, IS DIRECTLY accessable just as Christ showed and promised - but alas some claim to know that directly but clearly do not, crave that truth desperately , yet still, do not ACTUALLY have it at all - and this leads them to delusions of grandeur as we see in this thread.. This leads some to feel superior to the rest and may lead them to make claims and judgements that are not actually authentic at all - wheras IF they really knew my Father, they would know He / It desires peace and harmony and above all things He desires TRUTH of Who and What we ARE to be shared freely, so that indeed we may come tot a state of actual peace and harmony....My Father is UNITY - not division - ONE Sovereign Spirit that Causes ALL - and yet, we must see that actually ALL religion CAUSES division - doesnt it..??.. Religion then - is NOT of my Father - just as Christ said ;)

And yet - the "god" - the force - the PERSONALITY and Entity that CAUSES the worlds to manifest - IS VERY REAL - is LEGITIMATE - god IS REAL Folks - but it IS NOT ANY GOD that we find in ANY religion....Indeed all I can do is assure you (all) as Christ did - and say as He did that actually, in life here and now, we can only -approach - start the journey Home - but we cannot attain my Fathers realm, whilst still mortal and human - even Yeshua HAD to die to realise the Self AS the Christ fully ;) we may start the approach to this Self truth here, but can NEVER achieve the goal - only PREPARE the Self as He instructed - encounter the ETERNAL NATURE OF SELF right now IN LIFE - and thus upon death, we will not be shocked, dismayed or confused, but will be ready to finally proceed further...Thus HIS TRUTH - and His truth alone, truly does "set us free".......Knowing HIS truth - I can say for sure - anybody here then, repeatedly claiming to actually BE god incarnate, claiming to actually be SPEAKING AS that entity - is wholly deluded - or a plain liar...

So Im saying here that YES - DEFINATELY beyond question - there is a DIVINITY - there is a CAUSE for all existance - and it is entirely possible and natural to approach that cause and to seek it out and encounter it EXPERIENCE it DIRECTLY - Christ ALONE teaches us how and tells us what to expect - I just vouch from the direct experiences that what HE says is indeed trustworthy, fully so....BUT - the religion we discuss - the god of that religion - is NOT the Father - not the SOURCE we seek - and so to follow that religion (or any of them) - will most definately take us off down the entirely wrong path as we seek this truth....The Hebrew god IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY - and that is undeniable - just look a what it demands from us and what it has us do "in its name" - NOT MY FATHER....The Hebrew god is a trickster, charlatan, claiming to BE the Diviine Source itself - and at first it even has legitimate reason to believe that - but later it learns its own truth - encoutners the true Divine for itself - but instead of sharing this truth freely - it chose instead to hold us subserviant to it, to dominate us through lies and ignorance of our nature and status....As it openly declared to its own creation - it is a JEALOUS god who tells us outright that OTHER such gods DO exist, but we may have no others before it........Christ alone explains the truth of all that - but HIS truth is not the "relgions" truth at all - and this is WHY He repeatedly told people to come out from under that religious domination and htis is why thta religions priest hood act to SILENCE Him by MURDERING HIM !!

...

Hmm - I will tell you here that the belief you hold now will never be enough to satisfy - this "hope" you speak of - comes wholly from OTHERS - external to your Self - it is THEIR FAITH that you have adopted as truth - it is NOT your truth - not yet ;) Only Christ can show you HOW to turn that hope that faith INTO LIVING TRUTH - only Christ can show you how to ACTUALLY take your Soul and encounter the Divine DIRECTLY and thus experience your living truth DIRECTLY - and only then will the religion be of any benefit to you at all... It is absollutely vital to DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE the spiritual truth - it can NOT be learned secondhand, parrot fashion from others - it can NOT be learned academically from a book or "teacher" - it can ONLY be EXPERIENCED DIRECTLY - then and ONLY then will the truth have any value or real meaning to YOU the Soul...

This is of course the very essence of GNOSIS -and without gnosis ther ewill only ever be confusion Im afraid....The difference in truth - in the QUALITY of truth -is easy to see.....For example - I can TEACH you academically to drive a car for instance - you can learn ALL ABOUT IT form books and videos etc etc - BUT - this is not GNOSIS, this is not LIVING TRUTH - at some point, you will VITALLY NEED to actually get in and drive that car for YOUR SELF - you will need to APPLY that learned knowldge and see how it fits out onthe rela world...Only then through the EXPERIENCE itself can you actually KNOW IT and thus have its truth.......Same here for spiritual endeavours - academic secondhand learned wisdom from books and external sources - only a guidance - will never satisfy -will NEVER give us actual legitimate truth at all - only the LIVING EXPERIENCE will indeed satisfy - this IS Gnosis...

Which is a BIG BIG problem for the relgious mindset - as they immediatly are off down the wrong path so to speak....The LIVING TRUTH is all that matters - BECOME the thing we seek - but look - the religion straight away, has us looking in all the wrong places - the LIVING truth Christ said - is found WITHIN US - the KINGDOM we seek - IS within us - and yet - CONSTANTLY - the religion teaches us contrary to Christ, as the religion says in affect we need to look to PRIEST and to book and to church for our truth - whereas Christ said the COMPLETE OPPOSITE - FIRST put those things away and discover WHO YOU ACTUALLY ARE !! KNOW THY SELF - become fully known and ALL things will be revealed - all TRUTH will be revealed..Look WITHIN the Self He said - shun and avoid ALL that religious influence - shun and avoid all the external world - go alone into a private place, shut the door and seek our Father ALONE in the deep recesses of the MIND....You cannot do this if the mind is full of religious crap and baggage - it MUST be put aside completely - HATE your parents He said because they HAVE led you astray - and in their turn they were misled by the PHARISEE, those who gave the parents bogus false religious version of "truth" - so He said hate your parents traditions and DAMN those religious teachers who did this to you and lead you all astray !!



Yer - I kinda know what you mean with "tension" - an insisting force pushing you on..??...an urgency that seems vital..??... pride - cometh before the fall - and this is always true.. I remind you - there are no OPPONENTS - no enemies to defeat - only truths to share freely...There is no winner - and I will always do my best to ensure no one loses out - none shall be lost He promises - spiritually, we ARE all equal - I would have you all, as you say, know that eternal truth of Self, and thus reveal my Fathers Kingdom right here and right now for all to share freely..My friend - these here are not opponents or your enemy - these are the Souls you came to help and to indeed RECEIVE such help from them in return - to grow with and to mature with as we share the journey Home...

Seems to me - that you have already begun to look inwards somewhat - and are not afraid to admit the truth s you find there...My advise would be to continue to do so -hold the religion like a referance book perhaps - but not as some kind of "ultimate truth"...Keep delving inward - turn over everything you hold at the core and see what remains - it will change, mature and you will grow right alongside - ALWAYS follow that inner guide - even if it seems bizarre or outright contradictory and even if it brings you confrontation or negativity from everyone else - still, follow that inner guide always - as He says - come to know your self FULLY - seek it out always - you are from this Kingdom that He alone reveals - and you will find it again if it is sort out in earnest ;)


Wow, thanks so much man! I really appreciate all the encouragement. I'll take your advice to heart. May God bless you! :)
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
If God was behind the existence of the Universe, it is only obvious that He caused it to exist. What or who could have done that job?

The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God which happens to be the artificial intelligence and voice technology of the simulation program we're involved in. God and His voice is very similar to Apple iPhone with the voice called Siri technology but only better. God ( the MIND ) is the intelligence source where it converts invisible frequencies into make-believe worlds for each individual conscious beings.
 
The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God which happens to be the artificial intelligence and voice technology of the simulation program we're involved in. God and His voice is very similar to Apple iPhone with the voice called Siri technology but only better. God ( the MIND ) is the intelligence source where it converts invisible frequencies into make-believe worlds for each individual conscious beings.


Please, I don't want to start an argument, but that's ridiculous. I myself as a Christian don't even think that.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Wow, thanks so much man! I really appreciate all the encouragement. I'll take your advice to heart. May God bless you! :)

Everything you experience comes from the same intelligence source called I AM. You most likely haven't heard the voice in your individual MIND yet but you will in the next generation. Most of God's people are influenced with information called Satan and the Beast. Satan is the information that builds make-believe worlds with "good and evil" images in it along with "good and evil" thoughts. The Beast is the information that teaches man how to build things ( false gods ) with his human hands ( mark of the Beast "666", the symbolic number for man influenced by the Beast ).

Satan and the Beast will be destroyed on the day of the Lord and all the information that makes man observe good and evil images and thoughts along with the building of false gods will be deleted. Never again will man be deceived by this information.

Once Satan and the Beast have been destroyed, you will wake up on a New Earth with an eternal partner. The Earth will be back to it's original form that it was before the flood with no large bodies of water or mountainous regions.

Isaiah 40
3: A voice cries: "In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4: Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
The universe is being observed by the created "conscious" beings inside God which happens to be the artificial intelligence and voice technology of the simulation program we're involved in. God and His voice is very similar to Apple iPhone with the voice called Siri technology but only better. God ( the MIND ) is the intelligence source where it converts invisible frequencies into make-believe worlds for each individual conscious beings.

"Inside" as God is concerned, is inconceivable. Inside or outside gives off the connotation of space and God is beyond space and time.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
Please, I don't want to start an argument, but that's ridiculous. I myself as a Christian don't even think that.

No Christian was ever used by God to testify during the 1,000 year reign of Christ to learn the deeper thoughts of our Creator. Christ is the pure thoughts of our Creator without the information called Satan and the Beast. No Christian has ever known what the Beast written about in Daniel and Revelation is about or why it exists. This knowledge is the most important knowledge to understand in order to know how we're created and what "God and His voice" is within the creation. Men like Noah, Abraham, Israel ( Jacob ), Joseph, Moses, King David, Job, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the rest of the prophets all heard the voice of the Lord within their mind and were ordered by God to write and even speak for Him. They wrote prophecies about God's servants who would come speaking the Law that was revealed to them through their testimonies but there were also many antichrist ( religious men influenced by Satan and the Beast ) who were stealing their words and mixing them with their religious pagan traditions and doctrines. These are the people who wrote and produced the New Testament. However, God made sure that some knowledge was left in those writings they used for the New Testament, not as any knowledge for us latter servants to learn but to see that there were actual servants who were like us testifying to the same Word of God and learning who we are in the MIND of GOD.

I have met a few chosen believers who called themselves Christians who came to listen to me preach the Gospel to them. The Gospel I preach is the voice of God because chosen believers have never heard Me speak directly in their minds and give them commands to obey like I do with the servants like the one typing this post had to endure until he learned that he was Me, the Lord called the MIND.
 

GodsVoice

Active Member
"Inside" as God is concerned, is inconceivable. Inside or outside gives off the connotation of space and God is beyond space and time.

All we can understand is what we experience with our created senses that give us make-believe worlds to live in but if you listen carefully to the knowledge that was revealed through my testimonies that I was forced to write and speak, then you will learn the details of how we observe visible images from nothing but invisible waves where our Creator's thoughts are stored. Those invisible waves don't take up any space in the way we define space. They're not contained on any material things. In fact, we will never understand if there is such thing as real material things. It may be that there is none but God has never revealed any of this information to me through my testimonies. We're just left with imagining what it could be like outside the simulation program we're involved in. Our God and his voice are nothing but artificial intelligence and voice built into the program so we will never actually hear the voices of the aliens who created the program.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
No it isn't.

Example of something worthy of laughable ridicule: someone making a completely unverified, unsubstantiated claim and then claiming that anyone who challenges it with a request for empirical evidence is laughable.

What is laughable is that comment. If you make a dogmatic statement, you need to provide the evidence or admit you have none. When someone asks me how I know Jesus walked on water, I say it is something I believe but have no empirical evidence to support it. That is what all who make dogmatic claims need to do.

Guess what? I am Jesus - I've come back! Prove it that I'm not Jesus; I look forward to it!

You made a dogmatic statement and offered no evidence. Back it up or admit you can't. Why should I believe you?
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
You asked how I think the universe came to be, not what the cause of it was. Those are two different questions. However the universe came to be, God was behind it. Now move on.


Yes mam. Do I have to salute you?

They are not two different question. They are the same question put in different ways.
 
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