waitasec
Veteran Member
satan is not mentioned in this narrative, a crafty snake/serpent was and snakes don't talk...
connect the real dots in the real world. you know this to be true.
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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?
- Thread starter jubilee131
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satan is not mentioned in this narrative, a crafty snake/serpent was and snakes don't talk...
connect the real dots in the real world. you know this to be true.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I thought I made it clear enough.
waitasec
Veteran Member
a talking snake is fiction
Thief
Rogue Theologian
You can't seem to get the image out of your mind.
It's a metaphor.
A description of character.
A practice btw, that carried through, even to the dialog of the Carpenter,
as He dealt with the pharisees.
waitasec
Veteran Member
thief...the entire story is a metaphor
Thief
Rogue Theologian
And as such it has no meaning?...no moral value?
outhouse
Atheistically
yet they didnt write in adversary at all, nor imply it in a metaphor.
your putting literal translation to a metaphor ruining the original message that you should follow god's commandments over your own bright ideas
outhouse
Atheistically
it doesnt have to be real, it can be myth and carry all the moral value it was written with. it can still have all the meaning.
you just butcher it with your own version that makes sense to you. Yet you were not the author and it was written ion a context you dont understand
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I don't think of Genesis as literal text.
I do think of it as a description of God and Man, as an event.
The event was real enough.
If not then God and Man have met where?...and when?
Adam would be that first event.
Someone had to be first.....literally.
That Genesis is the story told as metaphor doesn't bother me.
That some of the items have indication of real action....
doesn't bother me at all.
waitasec
Veteran Member
it actually describes a god who doesn't have morals
Thief
Rogue Theologian
That sounds like a separate topic....go for it.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Doesn't matter if we understand the context or not. The story can still have a meaning, it can still mean something to the people reading it.
And really, you butcher it just as much with your own version that makes sense to you. Really, you butcher it by focusing on it just as a myth, as tale written by an author, while ignoring what it means.
The serpent may not be Satan, but he is still some sort of adversary. Why? Because he is going directly against what God wanted. And for that, it is cursed.
outhouse
Atheistically
FACEPALM
No
You dont understand teh history at all of the people of Israel
they migrated from all over the area and slowly began setting up villages all over the levant, they all brought in their own deities and were polytheistic until 622 BC did they start to become monotheistic to yahweh.
Adam and eve IS a legend told in allegory using metaphors and parables.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you brought up if the story had moral value, did you not?
a person who has a sense of morals can see that the fall narrative is about a god who lacks morals...
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Only if that is what you want to see. Most have not interpreted it that way.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Spontaneously "he" sprung into existence with ego/self-awareness.
waitasec
Veteran Member
outhouse
Atheistically
Ah but we do. maybe you dont
And I never stated differently [insert facepalm here]
facepalm again, I have never given my full version for you to make such a incorrect ASsumption
it is a myth, but im not focusing on that at all. thats not what this thread is about before you went off topic.
You mean multiple authors, and multiple compilations and redactions, after using a Mesopotamian legend to begin with.
Your just being useless at this point
if you spent as much time critiquing youself as you do others, you would get the respect you deserve. Dont let your ego write checks you cant cash.
Im trying to get another member here to view the writings more in line with how it was written, then a christian version based on a literalish reading. I have never ignored the original context and have preached the beauty of its original contents.
you were fine there without all the other dribble
No, false
Not a advasary except if one stretches imagination. AND not in the context of the advasary as in ha-satan
plenty of people do not follow what god states yet they are not advasaries
God punished him, as he plays magic sky daddy with all people and punishes them at will for mistakes far less then the snake.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
That's true .. but many are .. and you, imo, are one of them!
This account in Genesis that gives insight into why God has ordained this worldly life for us, is very important ... you are acting in the same way as the serpent/satan, in claiming that it's "just a myth" etc.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
well it's about time they do..
Why? Why should people see God as immoral? What could that possibly help?