How did the Egyptians build the pyramids?

[cladking]

Oh, and just for ? 2.4 tons is more like 600 gallons, not 300.

You're right. That didn't feel right but I get in a hurry sometimes.

600 Gallons is still nothing and can still lift that weight to any height.

 

[We Never Know]

This discussion doesn't really show up any longer on discussion sites because I will find it and win the argument.

I'll preface everything I say in this thread on the fact that all the logic and physical evidence says the great pyramids were all made by linear funiculars.

One of the most convincing arguments is the titles of the builders who created the pyramids. They weren't "ramp builders" and "stone draggers". Nothing of the sort appears. There is no evidence that ramps were used and the word "ramp" isn't even attested from the great pyramid building age NOR in the Pyramid Texts. There are no drawings of men dragging stones or ramps. All evidence and writing supports different means of building.

They had titles like "Overseer of the Metal Shop", "Overseer of Carpenters", "Overseer of the Side of the Pyramid", "Anubis Priest", Priestess of the Sycamore", "Sculptor", Overseer of a Boat Crew", "Overseer of the Boats of Neith", "Ferryman", "Weigher/ Reckoner", et al. All you have to do is figure out what these titles mean and then put it all together. Simple. There are millions of clues spread all through history and all over the Giza Plateau. The one thing we have is clues and solid physical evidence. The Anubis Priest was the architect who worked atop the pyramid. The Sycamore priestess grew the sycamores to be used as a "djed" which controlled the spraying water. It was hollowed out, seared, and wrapped in heavy ropes with a device installed at the top that used teeth that cut into the water stream and created back pressure in order to control the height. "Djed" means "stable in four dimensions". The Weigher/ Reckoner computed the amount of water that had to be added to the 3nw-boat in order to lift a load of massive stones from the "min" on the opposite side of the pyramid. The Ferryman (with his face behind) loaded the henu boat. The sculptors made horuses in the quarry to stack onto the pyramid. Overseers of the Boats loaded the dndndr-boat which looked like the head of a bull (of Heaven). Sides were build individually and from the top down after the core was mostly complete.

Each man and woman were selected by lottery in the city in which the greats of the past had lived. For instance they needed chemists and the discoverer of controlling water was from the city of Chemmis so all seers of chemistry in the city of Chemmis who wanted to work on the pyramid (almost all did) would put their names into a lottery.

What people don't understand is these things were easy to build and required very few men. The gods literally did all the work which is why the builders said the gods built the pyramids. Even human progress was represented by the god "thot" and thought by the god "hu".

This is all very very simple and would be well known except the powers that be are willing to waste huge amounts of money and cause massive damage in their search for gold but won't lift a finger to find how they were made.

When you say 'The gods', which gods are you referring to and how many of them?

 

[GoodAttention]

You're right. That didn't feel right but I get in a hurry sometimes.

600 Gallons is still nothing and can still lift that weight to any height.

You still haven’t given dimensions for the boat carrying said block.

 

[Pogo]

You're right. That didn't feel right but I get in a hurry sometimes.

600 Gallons is still nothing and can still lift that weight to any height.

No, 600 gallons can't lift it anywhere, it is only an equivalent mass.

You are still hurrying in your mind.

 

[cladking]

Why are any of your calculations significant? So maybe it took them a while and it was more wasteful than many budget items, the assertion by itself is useless.

There are many reasons it matters.

Part of reverse engineering the pyramids is redeveloping the Critical Path. Without a workable Critical Path you might as well say "they mustta used funiculars". I want science not nonsense based on countless centuries of assumptions. The Turah Mines is important to this because I had to figure out what they did with 30 years of production since most of it wasn't needed until the last ten years. It causes changes in the model which affects Critical Path. Most of the extra stone was used to build infrastructure which was dismantled and used for cladding at the end of the project and a great deal was simply used to build the causeway which was dismantled from the port on up.

It was all very highly efficient. There were no ramps but numerous funiculars with the most important at the beginning being the eastern cliff face funicular which was called "the Ladder of Set". Stones flew 300' at a time to the pyramid exactly as ancient Arab lore says.

 

[GoodAttention]

There's good reason to believe some blocks were cast. Frankly I doubt it was more than a few and most of the evidence suggesting it is caused by the deposition of calcium carbonate.

Your thoughts on how quartzite statues were made with fine detail?

 

[We Never Know]

How large does a boat need to be to transport a 2.4 tonne block?

How do you get the stone into the centre of the boat?

Only one block? That would mean around 2.3 million trips.

 

[Pogo]

You still haven’t given dimensions for the boat carrying said block.

Big enough that displacement is not significant to it's seaworthiness in the relevant waters.

 

[cladking]

Critical Path also suggests where to look for evidence and what that evidence is when you find it. It's not enough to understand the rituals of the people who built the pyramids you must also deduce how it was done. This requires you compare physical fact to your models.

 

[cladking]

Only one block? That would mean around 2.3 million trips.

They hauled about eight stones at a time across the river and five stones at a time up the pyramid.

Merrer probably hauled only one or two stones at a time because his was a tugboat.

 

[GoodAttention]

Big enough that displacement is not significant to it's seaworthiness in the relevant waters.

Yeah.

I think people are underestimating how frustrating friction is when moving a 2.4 tonne block.

 

[Pogo]

There are many reasons it matters.

Part of reverse engineering the pyramids is redeveloping the Critical Path. Without a workable Critical Path you might as well say "they mustta used funiculars". I want science not nonsense based on countless centuries of assumptions. The Turah Mines is important to this because I had to figure out what they did with 30 years of production since most of it wasn't needed until the last ten years. It causes changes in the model which affects Critical Path. Most of the extra stone was used to build infrastructure which was dismantled and used for cladding at the end of the project and a great deal was simply used to build the causeway which was dismantled from the port on up.

It was all very highly efficient. There were no ramps but numerous funiculars with the most important at the beginning being the eastern cliff face funicular which was called "the Ladder of Set". Stones flew 300' at a time to the pyramid exactly as ancient Arab lore says.

So ultimately you are saying that the production of stone at some mine might have had some effect on the timing, it did not have any effect on the possibility and that said, has nothing to do with actual construction methods, only potentially the time required?

Again, what the hell is your point? What does this new term "flying" mean?
It was rapid or they used a proverbial skyhook?

 

[GoodAttention]

They hauled about eight stones at a time across the river and five stones at a time up the pyramid.

Merrer probably hauled only one or two stones at a time because his was a tugboat.

How does the block get on and off the boat?

Keeping in mind we are talking about an object that weighs as much as a large car.

 

[GoodAttention]

Only one block? That would mean around 2.3 million trips.

Hence why the cutting and moving blocks theory doesn’t hold up to common sense.

Imagine moving 8 cars without tyres onto and off a boat.

 

[Pogo]

Critical Path also suggests where to look for evidence and what that evidence is when you find it. It's not enough to understand the rituals of the people who built the pyramids you must also deduce how it was done. This requires you compare physical fact to your models.

Wow this is beginning to sound like science, take available evidence and hypothesize how it might have happened and then see if the observations are consistent with what has happened.

 

[shunyadragon]

I would say that I don't. I hire others to do it for me. I'd make an awesome pharaoh.

Seriously though, the barges were loaded in the dry season and floated to the building cite during wet season when the Nile flooded.

https://roseannechambers.com/ancient-boats-and-enormous-blocks/

First, the stage had to be set to allow a large population to live and prosper in the region, including the thousands of workers essential for building the pyramids. Reconstructions of the environmental history of the Nile River delta extend back about 8,000 years, when water covered the region. As the water retreated and the land dried out, scientists identified pollen spores in Nile sediments showing changes in the regional vegetation. These include a marked increase in spores from types of fungus that are found on animal dung around 7,000 to 6,600 years ago. Then, there is the abrupt appearance of domesticated cereal grass pollen, including from abundant barley, nurtured by the seasonal floods of the Nile River. Animal grazing and crop production became part of the environmental record for the next couple of thousand years.

Then, from drill cores and excavations made for a modern wastewater project, researchers recognized an ancient branch of the Nile River, known as the Khufu Branch, that extended towards the Giza Plateau. Scientists also found evidence of this waterway from sediment cores that include pollen from plants like papyrus and cattails, showing a wet and marsh-like environment. For several centuries, it appears that boats could navigate the channels of the Khufu Branch.

Archaeologists discovered another important key to pyramid construction about 100 miles (160 km) to the southeast of Giza, near an ancient harbor on the Red Sea called Wadi el-Jarf. There, the Egyptians had carved storage galleries into limestone foothills to provide areas to stockpile harbor supplies. Among the items recently found were hundreds of fragments of papyri. Some of these were inked with records that were the logbooks of a group of some 40 workers who were crew on a boat during the reign of Pharaoh Khufu. They record the transport of limestone blocks along the Nile River and then through a series of water-filled basins, using terms such as “Khufu’s Lake”. At the base of the pyramids, workers unloaded the rock to cover the outer layer of the Great Pyramid, then, the boat crew would head back to a quarry for another load of rock.

 

[shunyadragon]

Hence why the cutting and moving blocks theory doesn’t hold up to common sense.

Imagine moving 8 cars without tyres onto and off a boat.

The archeologists and Egyptologists avoid notions of "common sense" and rely on the objective verifiable evidence.

 

[Pogo]

Not familiar with why goods from China in spite of the distance are competitive with goods from the US in a cost per transportation mile?

 

[Pogo]

Yeah.

I think people are underestimating how frustrating friction is when moving a 2.4 tonne block.

Sorry there are a lot of us geezers who took physics in high school 50+ years ago. We often forget our learning curve.

 

[GoodAttention]

Seriously though, the barges were loaded in the dry season and floated to the building cite during wet season when the Nile flooded.

https://roseannechambers.com/ancient-boats-and-enormous-blocks/

First, the stage had to be set to allow a large population to live and prosper in the region, including the thousands of workers essential for building the pyramids. Reconstructions of the environmental history of the Nile River delta extend back about 8,000 years, when water covered the region. As the water retreated and the land dried out, scientists identified pollen spores in Nile sediments showing changes in the regional vegetation. These include a marked increase in spores from types of fungus that are found on animal dung around 7,000 to 6,600 years ago. Then, there is the abrupt appearance of domesticated cereal grass pollen, including from abundant barley, nurtured by the seasonal floods of the Nile River. Animal grazing and crop production became part of the environmental record for the next couple of thousand years.

Then, from drill cores and excavations made for a modern wastewater project, researchers recognized an ancient branch of the Nile River, known as the Khufu Branch, that extended towards the Giza Plateau. Scientists also found evidence of this waterway from sediment cores that include pollen from plants like papyrus and cattails, showing a wet and marsh-like environment. For several centuries, it appears that boats could navigate the channels of the Khufu Branch.

Archaeologists discovered another important key to pyramid construction about 100 miles (160 km) to the southeast of Giza, near an ancient harbor on the Red Sea called Wadi el-Jarf. There, the Egyptians had carved storage galleries into limestone foothills to provide areas to stockpile harbor supplies. Among the items recently found were hundreds of fragments of papyri. Some of these were inked with records that were the logbooks of a group of some 40 workers who were crew on a boat during the reign of Pharaoh Khufu. They record the transport of limestone blocks along the Nile River and then through a series of water-filled basins, using terms such as “Khufu’s Lake”. At the base of the pyramids, workers unloaded the rock to cover the outer layer of the Great Pyramid, then, the boat crew would head back to a quarry for another load of rock.

It makes far more sense that 40 men each unloaded 50-60kg of ground limestone each into “Khufu’s Lake”, from where the limestone was taken out and then cast as stones.

Does the record state specifically “block”?