How did the Jewish god become an International Sensation?

[AxisMundi]

I have never considered God to Jewish, or belong to the Jews.
God was around long before them, and was worshipped since man thought up religion.
The Jews were not even the first or only peoples to believe in a single God.

If you believe in a single God as both Christians and Muslims do, and base your beliefs on those prevailing at the time. It is inevitable that that God will be thought to be the same one.
However the Jews Christians and Muslims have very different concepts of Gods Nature.

Would you mind pointing to the archaeological and/or archival evidence to support the idea that Jehovah has been worshiped before the Jews first wrote about said god?

Considering the time line, and funerary prayers in early Torah matching Egyptian burial spells word for word, there is more evidence to suggest that Jehovah is an evolution of the Egyptian Deity Amen.

 

[fallingblood]

It mentions briefly that some Gentiles will grab onto the fringe of a Jew's garment and learn the Torah from them. That isn't Christianity or Islam by any stretch of the imagination, since both claim the Torah is no longer binding on anyone.

Again, L. Michael White's book, From Jesus to Christianity will give you a lot of information on the subject. Such as to why Christianity formed and broke away from Judaism. There is a very logical reason for that, and nothing sinister. There is also a documentary about the movie as well, which would be of interest.

It would answer your question, if you really want it answered.

 

[arimoff]

Logical fallacy of Appeal to Numbers. Number of people believing in something does NOT automatically make it the truth. Or did prophets who started out with no followers start off ‘wrong’?

This stems back to our evolutionary past of ‘safety in numbers’. Follow the herd and you’d live. Great for pack protection, not so good at determining the veracity of something.

How many people in the world? More than 6.7 billion, and that was figures back in September of 2008. How many Christians in the world? More than 2 billion. Does that make the people not believing Christianity correct? (I know you follow Judaism, just saying, is all).

i think you have no clue to what I said.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Would you mind pointing to the archaeological and/or archival evidence to support the idea that Jehovah has been worshiped before the Jews first wrote about said god?

Considering the time line, and funerary prayers in early Torah matching Egyptian burial spells word for word, there is more evidence to suggest that Jehovah is an evolution of the Egyptian Deity Amen.

The Jews may have called God Jehovah, However God predates the Jews by an eternity.
Many other peoples have worshipped God using different names. The Jews are just one of many.

 

[waitasec]

The Jews may have called God Jehovah, However God predates the Jews by an eternity.
Many other peoples have worshipped God using different names. The Jews are just one of many.

so then why would the written "word of god" begin with the jewish god?
don't you get all your ideas of god through the "word of god" (whatever that is)?

the oral traditions begin with adam making him a descendant of the 1st man to be called a hebrew, abraham

your predating idea is like saying to the jewish people; they worship the same god as the mormon god...because the catholic version of the bible is found within the true word of god... only with an amendment (the new testament) and the mormons amendments are newer amendments of the true word of god...
so the jews and the mormons are worshipping the same god...

is that what you are saying?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

so then why would the written "word of god" begin with the jewish god?
don't you get all your ideas of god through the "word of god" (whatever that is)?

the oral traditions begin with adam making him a descendant of the 1st man to be called a hebrew, abraham

your predating idea is like saying to the jewish people; they worship the same god as the mormon god...because the catholic version of the bible is found within the true word of god... only with an amendment (the new testament) and the mormons amendments are newer amendments of the true word of god...
so the jews and the mormons are worshipping the same god...

is that what you are saying?

Every one is worshipping the same God, because there is only one GOD.
However not every one agrees that that is the case, or on the details.
Certainly not every one believes in the the Jewish myths in genesis. In fact only a proportion of Christians do.
Most Jews would agree that they worship the same GOD as Christians and Muslims.

My own concept of God came from my early contacts with my church and has developed from there. I do not believe that we know of any such thing as the true word of God. we make do with the best that has come down to us from earlier generations and the church fathers, and what we have been able to surmise from our own thoughts and prayers.

 

[AxisMundi]

The Jews may have called God Jehovah, However God predates the Jews by an eternity.
Many other peoples have worshipped God using different names. The Jews are just one of many.

So the claim is continually made, but absolutely no evidence is offered.

Firstly, it simply makes no sence for some demiurge to create the universe, take a lunch break for some 6 billions years, create the earth, go get coffee or whatever for some 4 billion years, create the Human Race, lurk for a few hundred thousand years while humanity developes over two thousand other deities, many contrary to him, and then suddenly leap from the sofa some 3 thousand years ago and shout, "Worship me, or else!"

All hard physical arceaological and archival evidence states unequivicably that your god is only some 3,000 year old, perhaps a few centuries older if one takes Judeism starting out as an underground cult.

What evidence do you have?

An ancient scripture proven wrong so many times as to amount to nothing but a very poorly written fantasy novel.

Sorry, but if given the choice between hard scientifically proven evidence, and a book that claims there is enough water on this flat, 6,000 year old, geocentric earth to compeltely inundate the surface, well, your scirpture looses every time.

 

[arimoff]

So the claim is continually made, but absolutely no evidence is offered.

Firstly, it simply makes no sence for some demiurge to create the universe, take a lunch break for some 6 billions years, create the earth, go get coffee or whatever for some 4 billion years, create the Human Race, lurk for a few hundred thousand years while humanity developes over two thousand other deities, many contrary to him, and then suddenly leap from the sofa some 3 thousand years ago and shout, "Worship me, or else!"

All hard physical arceaological and archival evidence states unequivicably that your god is only some 3,000 year old, perhaps a few centuries older if one takes Judeism starting out as an underground cult.

What evidence do you have?

An ancient scripture proven wrong so many times as to amount to nothing but a very poorly written fantasy novel.

Sorry, but if given the choice between hard scientifically proven evidence, and a book that claims there is enough water on this flat, 6,000 year old, geocentric earth to compeltely inundate the surface, well, your scirpture looses every time.

By the way my scripture haven't lost yet, as I have mentioned before a group of 10-20 million people who is constantly under a threat from people full of hate manages to survive in a hostile territory without assimilating manages to return home 2000 years later as was promised by the scripture.

 

[AxisMundi]

By the way my scripture haven't lost yet, as I have mentioned before a group of 10-20 million people who is constantly under a threat from people full of hate manages to survive in a hostile territory without assimilating manages to return home 2000 years later as was promised by the scripture.

1. Your scripture is just as Fail as the offspring of your religion. It is jsut as full of disvroved myths and self-contraditiiction as the Christianized version found in their bible.

2. And like I mentioned before, self-fullfilling prophesy doesn't mean squat.

 

[arimoff]

1. Your scripture is just as Fail as the offspring of your religion. It is jsut as full of disvroved myths and self-contraditiiction as the Christianized version found in their bible.

2. And like I mentioned before, self-fullfilling prophesy doesn't mean squat.

You haven't answered my question.

 

[AxisMundi]

You haven't answered my question.

I certainly have.

A few handfuls (relative to the global population) of a people staying true to a religion they were indoctrinated in since birth creating a self-fullfilling prophesy simple is no indication, and especailly no proof, of some divine intervention.

 

[waitasec]

Every one is worshipping the same God, because there is only one GOD.
However not every one agrees that that is the case, or on the details.
Certainly not every one believes in the the Jewish myths in genesis. In fact only a proportion of Christians do.
Most Jews would agree that they worship the same GOD as Christians and Muslims.

My own concept of God came from my early contacts with my church and has developed from there. I do not believe that we know of any such thing as the true word of God. we make do with the best that has come down to us from earlier generations and the church fathers, and what we have been able to surmise from our own thoughts and prayers.

if everyone is, as you say, worshipping the same god then why all the hate?
unless of course their god perpetuates hate...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

if everyone is, as you say, worshipping the same god then why all the hate?
unless of course their god perpetuates hate...

Hate reflect fear, ignorance and difference.
To have faith, is often seen as having an exclusive belief.

People "hate" being proved in error.
They see God, as their own religion teaches them to.
They fear that if others are right, then they must be wrong.

It is man himself, who manages to interpret God's love, as hate for others.

 

[waitasec]

Hate reflect fear, ignorance and difference.
To have faith, is often seen as having an exclusive belief.

People "hate" being proved in error.
They see God, as their own religion teaches them to.
They fear that if others are right, then they must be wrong.

It is man himself, who manages to interpret God's love, as hate for others.

or as i see it;
it is man himself who manages to interpret the concept of a god since it is the image of man that their god is created from...

 

[EtuMalku]

This is the Abrahamic god we are talking about, and the god of the Hebrews, later the Christians and still later the Muslims. I see the correlation between Moses' god and the Aten (a form of Ra) of Egyptian, the world's first monotheistic thinking religion founded by Pharaoh Akhenaten who reigned during the life of Moses (some scholars believe them to be one and the same).

The Roman Empire was rather considerable, Constantine converted to Christianity and proclaimed the Empire to be Christian (one emperor, one religion). This surely helped propagate the Belief System.

 

[Requia]

By the way my scripture haven't lost yet, as I have mentioned before a group of 10-20 million people who is constantly under a threat from people full of hate manages to survive in a hostile territory without assimilating manages to return home 2000 years later as was promised by the scripture.

You may wish to be careful with your numbers, the high estimate of the population of the entire roman empire is 65 million. I somewhat doubt one person in 6 in the empire was Jewish.

 

[arimoff]

You may wish to be careful with your numbers, the high estimate of the population of the entire roman empire is 65 million. I somewhat doubt one person in 6 in the empire was Jewish.

What is Rome has to do with 10-20 million?

 

[AxisMundi]

Hate reflect fear, ignorance and difference.
To have faith, is often seen as having an exclusive belief.

People "hate" being proved in error.
They see God, as their own religion teaches them to.
They fear that if others are right, then they must be wrong.

It is man himself, who manages to interpret God's love, as hate for others.

You keep stating this one god concept, but have yet to prove your assertion.

Hard physical evidence point to early man being Shamanistic and Animistic in nature, which evovled in time to include humiform deities, humans with animal characteristics, until eventually deity was considered fully human in shape and temperment.

And please, none of this "we could only understand god that way" horse puckey. Ancient man was no more and no less as intelligent as we are today.

And I would hardly consider cutting one's chidlren "loose" to commit mass murders on each other "love".

 

[waitasec]

You keep stating this one god concept, but have yet to prove your assertion.

Hard physical evidence point to early man being Shamanistic and Animistic in nature, which evovled in time to include humiform deities, humans with animal characteristics, until eventually deity was considered fully human in shape and temperment.

And please, none of this "we could only understand god that way" horse puckey. Ancient man was no more and no less as intelligent as we are today.

And I would hardly consider cutting one's chidlren "loose" to commit mass murders on each other "love".

to piggy back on this;
why would the creator of everything, our solar system... moon, stars the universe be so tied up with a tiny piece of land and play favorites?

 

[Willamena]

to piggy back on this;
why would the creator of everything, our solar system... moon, stars the universe be so tied up with a tiny piece of land and play favorites?

In my opinion, it's because the myth isn't about "God", it's about us.