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How did the Jewish god become an International Sensation?

EverChanging

Well-Known Member
Although Christians will claim to worship the Jewish god, I don't think this is accurate. The Christian idea of God may be based on the Jewish god, but the ideas aren't the same. Most Christians worship a trinity. This is not Jewish.

It might be more arguable that the Muslims worship the same god as Jews.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Although Christians will claim to worship the Jewish god, I don't think this is accurate. The Christian idea of God may be based on the Jewish god, but the ideas aren't the same. Most Christians worship a trinity. This is not Jewish.

It might be more arguable that the Muslims worship the same god as Jews.
I'm going to reference the same book I have a couple of other times already here. L Michael White's book, From Jesus to Christianity. Or even the documentary, From Jesus to Christ. It shows beyond a doubt that Christianity sprouted out of Judaism, and that the God is the same.

Also, most Christians don't worship a trinity. They worship one God.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I'm going to reference the same book I have a couple of other times already here. L Michael White's book, From Jesus to Christianity. Or even the documentary, From Jesus to Christ. It shows beyond a doubt that Christianity sprouted out of Judaism, and that the God is the same.

Also, most Christians don't worship a trinity. They worship one God.


of course it sprouted from judaism but it can't be the "same god"
jesus was the messiah to the christians but not to the jews...
so each version of god is not the same

all evangelical christians worship the trinity 3 in 1
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
How did the Jewish god become an International Sensation?

I would guess through Roman rule, Jews were able to travel all over the Roman Empire. There were Jews in Rome already when Christians arrived there, and there were Jews in many other parts of the Empire. These Jews could have been slaves of Roman traders or wealthy merchants themselves, moving animals, food, and valuables from Egypt and Greece to Rome and other cities [including, of course, Jerusalem]. For some reason - I do not yet know why - some Romans were interested in Judaism but did not become exclusive followers of the Jewish G-d. These Romans attended synagoge [but were in the back] and received Jewish teaching but did not abandon the Roman way of life [adopting a Jewish diet, observing the Sabbath, and polytheism].

Christians, of course, widely popularized the Jewish G-d, however mistaken an understanding that they had of Him in the eyes of ancient and modern Jews.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
of course it sprouted from judaism but it can't be the "same god"
jesus was the messiah to the christians but not to the jews...
so each version of god is not the same

all evangelical christians worship the trinity 3 in 1
That really doesn't make sense. There were Jews who thought that Jesus was the messiah as well. The first Christians were actually Jews. They never converted to a different religion, they just believed they found their Messiah. So there is no reason to assume that their God changed. It was the one and the same God. Also, for the trinity, it is still one God. It is three forms of the same God. If anything, you may be able to call them a limited monism, but the base God is still the God of the Jews.

The problem we have here is that the assumption is that God has a definite set of qualities. The fact is, God doesn't. The God of the Jews and the God of Christians and Muslims are one and the same.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
That really doesn't make sense. There were Jews who thought that Jesus was the messiah as well. The first Christians were actually Jews. They never converted to a different religion, they just believed they found their Messiah. So there is no reason to assume that their God changed. It was the one and the same God. Also, for the trinity, it is still one God. It is three forms of the same God. If anything, you may be able to call them a limited monism, but the base God is still the God of the Jews.

The problem we have here is that the assumption is that God has a definite set of qualities. The fact is, God doesn't. The God of the Jews and the God of Christians and Muslims are one and the same.

those jews that believed jesus was the messiah became christians...they followed christ

jews do not believe jesus is the messiah...and remained jews

well of course the are one in the same, the same delusional idea of a supreme being :rolleyes:
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
those jews that believed jesus was the messiah became christians...they followed christ
Incorrect. Up until the 4th century we saw Jews who followed Jesus, yet were still Jews. The first followers of Jesus were Jews, and it wasn't until quite some time that Christianity even began.
jews do not believe jesus is the messiah...and remained jews
That is too simplistic. 1st century Judaism was quite diverse. It wasn't until after the destruction of the temple in 70 C.E. that Judaism really became unified, to a point that is. Even after that, there were sectarian groups, including what would become the Christians, that were later removed from Judaism. If we even look at the Gospels, and for that part, a large part of the New Testament, we see that they were written by Jews. The writers of Mark, Matthew, John, and the Pauline Epistles were all Jews.

well of course the are one in the same, the same delusional idea of a supreme being :rolleyes:
Whether or not it is a delusional idea, they are still the same being. Christianity simply expanded on Judaism. Islam expanded on both. There is no evidence that the God of these three religions would be different gods.
 

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
of course it sprouted from judaism but it can't be the "same god"
jesus was the messiah to the christians but not to the jews...
so each version of god is not the same

all evangelical christians worship the trinity 3 in 1

Paul built upon the Jewish religion, utilizing the idea of the Messiah and attributing that title to the Christ figure.

Both Paul and Christ were also Jews (if indeed historical figures) who worshipped Abraham's god, and you completely forget about "Messianic Jews" that exist even today as well.

As for Evangelicals, they worship Jehovah. Christ is merely a "middle man".

While all three Abrahamics, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, worship Jehovah in different ways, the go remains the same.
 
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