How did your god/s create the earth?

[godnotgod]

Yes, the Genesis accounts, and I like what Job 33:4 says about 'God's breath' giving life to what is on Earth.- Genesis 2:7
Isaiah and Jeremiah wrote that God used his Power and Strength ( energy ) to create the material earth.
- Isaiah 40:26; Isaiah 42:5; Jeremiah 10:12; Jeremiah 27:5; Jeremiah 32:17; Psalms 104:30

There is no 'material' Earth. Nothing has, or is, being 'created'. Quantum Physics has now shown all such notions of 'materiality' to be incorrect. What we used to think of as the 'material' universe is, in fact, a virtual reality. ALL of the mass of the atom is now understood to be created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields (ie; The Unified Field). This Unified Field is Pure Consciousness. Call it 'God', or 'Brahman', 'The Absolute', 'Ultimate Reality', 'The Ground of All Being', etc. They are all the same. So there is no such 'creation' as such, since there is no material to begin with. All material reality is what the Hindus call 'maya': an illusion, albeit an illusion of a higher calibre than the ordinary garden variety illusion we all know and love. It is only what is manifesting this entire Universe as 'real' that is the one true Reality, and that is Pure Consciousness. But, you see, Pure Consciousness is not different than the illusion that is called' the world' that it is manifesting. They are one and the same. There is not 'God' over here, creating 'The Universe' over there. Gold chain is not 'gold' over here, and 'chain' over there. The chain is always gold.

In the East, the life force is in the breath, and not in the blood, as it is in pagan religions and in Christianity. The breath is Pure Consciousness, that which manifests the world. The ancient Greek word 'pneuma' meant spirit or consciousness. Modern science has eviscerated this word of its true meaning, in words such as 'pneumonia' and 'pneumatic', which refer to air only. The spiritual meaning of 'pneuma' most likely came to Greece from the Far East, along the trade route known as The Silk Road.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There is no 'material' Earth. Nothing has, or is, being 'created'. Quantum Physics has now shown all such notions of 'materiality' to be incorrect. What we used to think of as the 'material' universe is, in fact, a virtual reality. ALL of the mass of the atom is now understood to be created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields (ie; The Unified Field). This Unified Field is Pure Consciousness. Call it 'God', or 'Brahman', 'The Absolute', 'Ultimate Reality', 'The Ground of All Being', etc. They are all the same. So there is no such 'creation' as such, since there is no material to begin with. All material reality is what the Hindus call 'maya': an illusion, albeit an illusion of a higher calibre than the ordinary garden variety illusion we all know and love. It is only what is manifesting this entire Universe as 'real' that is the one true Reality, and that is Pure Consciousness. But, you see, Pure Consciousness is not different than the illusion that is called' the world' that it is manifesting. They are one and the same. There is not 'God' over here, creating 'The Universe' over there. Gold chain is not 'gold' over here, and 'chain' over there. The chain is always gold.
In the East, the life force is in the breath, and not in the blood, as it is in pagan religions and in Christianity. The breath is Pure Consciousness, that which manifests the world. The ancient Greek word 'pneuma' meant spirit or consciousness. Modern science has eviscerated this word of its true meaning, in words such as 'pneumonia' and 'pneumatic', which refer to air only. The spiritual meaning of 'pneuma' most likely came to Greece from the Far East, along the trade route known as The Silk Road.

Perhaps I should have used the word ' visible ' earth or world.
According to Scripture, God first created the invisible heavenly realm of existence, then God created our visible realm of existence.

No one is saying there is No such ' creation ' since there is No material to begin with. That is correct No material to begin with. No material however does Not mean nothing.
According to Scripture, God did Not use ' material ' but God used his ' power ' His ' strength ' (dynamic energy) to create the visible realm of existence.- Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12
Yes, life force ( breath of life ) is in the breath - Genesis 2:7 ; Job 33:4

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Earthquakes and other natural phenomena are not caused by humans. Human violence against one another is. We can do something about the latter; nothing about the former, except that caused by humans.
Spirituality eventually can subdue both our aggression and that of North Korea. All of the world-wide political tension is a result of old 19th century territorial policies coming to a head. At least the nuclear tests (and our own fraccing) can come to an end via a transformation of consciousness. This transformation is precisely the transformation Jesus referred to when he said:
'Unless you turn, and become as little children, you will not enter into Paradise'
Here is scientific proof that spirituality (ie; pure consciousness) via group effort has a direct effect on quelling human violence:

The ^above ^ sounds as if you are saying, ' human violence against one another ' is the cause of earthquakes, but earthquakes are Not caused by humans' . (?)
Aren't underground nuclear explosions a form of human violence toward earth ?
Since people have free-will choices as the people at the time of Genesis 6:11, then that free will continues.
In school we were taught that society knows how to get people out of the slums, but can't figure out how to get the slum out of people.
Following Jesus' teachings to be humble ( little children are teachable ) then we can enter into a beautiful paradisical earth under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
Only Jesus, as Prince of Peace, can usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
First God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the earth of violence caused by the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[godnotgod]

Perhaps I should have used the word ' visible ' earth or world.
According to Scripture, God first created the invisible heavenly realm of existence, then God created our visible realm of existence.

'according to scripture', yes, and that means it is only your belief system you are putting forward. I ask once again: where does one 'realm' leave off and the other begin? I only know of one realm, or world: the one we find ourselves in at the present. Where do you see two 'realms', or is that just your belief, based on your belief that scripture is fact?

No one is saying there is No such ' creation ' since there is No material to begin with. That is correct No material to begin with. No material however does Not mean nothing.
According to Scripture, God did Not use ' material ' but God used his ' power ' His ' strength ' (dynamic energy) to create the visible realm of existence.- Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12

You misunderstand: there is no 'creation' because what we have been thinking to be a 'material' world all along is not material after all; it is VIRTUAL, according to Quantum Physics. Therefore, the Universe being a virtual reality, original 'material' out of which a 'material' Universe is not required.

So are you saying that there is a creator-God over here, and his 'creation' over there?

Yes, life force ( breath of life ) is in the breath - Genesis 2:7 ; Job 33:4

Well, in the OT it was, but the life force then became the blood with the advent of the so-called 'Jesus' (actually 'Yeshu'). What I am suggesting is that the doctrine of breath was inherited from the Far East in the OT, and then was corrupted with Mithraism via Paul and Rome to become the doctrine of salvation via sacred blood. Actually, it was present in the OT as well with animal sacrifice, that being only a precursor to the 'real thing'.

 

[godnotgod]

The ^above ^ sounds as if you are saying, ' human violence against one another ' is the cause of earthquakes, but earthquakes are Not caused by humans' . (?)

...that is to say 'naturally occurring' earthquakes are not caused by humans.

Aren't underground nuclear explosions a form of human violence toward earth ?

Yes, but the ultimate target is to do violence against one another. The path of violence as a solution to our problems can be transformed into one of peace, via a transformation of consciousness.

Since people have free-will choices as the people at the time of Genesis 6:11, then that free will continues.
In school we were taught that society knows how to get people out of the slums, but can't figure out how to get the slum out of people.

heh...heh...that's tricky. We assume there is 'society' over here, and 'slums' over there. The fact is that slums are an outgrowth of society and its ways. So the question should be: how do we get the slums out of society? That is to say, how do we transform the mind-set operating within society which, though it thinks is doing good, actually creates slums? The same applies to gangs and terrorists, and until we recognize this, there can be no solution.

Following Jesus' teachings to be humble ( little children are teachable ) then we can enter into a beautiful paradisical earth under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth.

No. That is not what scripture is saying. It says Paradise is here, now. 'To be like little children' means to be as they are naturally. It is not to say that they must be taught to be humble or anything else. So what does Jesus mean? He means that little children do not judge, do not discriminate between good and evil, right and wrong, as society does. They just see things as they are. This state of mind is the mind of Paradise. And so Jesus says one must 'turn' (away from society) inwards to the Paradise within (ie; 'the kingdom of God is within you')

Jesus did NOT say: '...become as little educated children', but simply 'become as little children', just as they are.

Only Jesus, as Prince of Peace, can usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
First God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth - Revelation 11:18 B
The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the earth of violence caused by the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22

All of which is just conjecture and belief about some non-existent future based on scripture, but which bears no truth in fact. However, we DO know for fact that a transformation of human consciousness brings peace, love, happiness HERE, NOW. This we can do ourselves and realize the fruits of our efforts.

I do not put any stock in a future heavenly king coming to rule the Earth. That is only wishful fanciful thinking. The Jews were essentially in a pit from which there was no escape. No mortal could save them from their plight. So in their mentality, only a power from 'another world' could do so. And so they foisted the idea of 'messiah' upon poor Yeshua, who had no clue what they were about to do to him. 'Messiah' has already come and gone:

"Jesus had no intention of founding a new religion. He regarded himself as the Messiah in the normal Jewish sense of the term, i.e. a human leader who would restore the Jewish monarchy, drive out the Roman invaders, set up an independent Jewish state, and inaugurate an era of peace, justice and prosperity (known as 'the kingdom of God,) for the whole world. Jesus believed himself to be the figure prophesied in the Hebrew Bible who would do all these things. He was not a militarist and did not build up an army to fight the Romans, since he believed that God would perform a great miracle to break the power of Rome. This miracle would take place on the Mount of Olives, as prophesied in the book of Zechariah. When this miracle did not occur, his mission had failed. He had no intention of being crucified in order to save mankind from eternal damnation by his sacrifice. He never regarded himself as a divine being, and would have regarded such an idea as pagan and idolatrous, an infringement of the first of the Ten Commandments."

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm

 

[URAVIP2ME]

One does Not have to put any stock in a future heavenly King ( Jesus ) to rule over Earth in order for that to come to pass.
Most people would never consider such a thing - 2 Peter 3:3-4
Just because most would Not consider Jesus as King of God's Kingdom government, does Not mean it will Not happen.
It just means the majority will reject Jesus as being King or President over them.- Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 7:13-14

 

[Valjean]

Why are we using 'scripture' at all in a discussion of Cosmology? Why not use Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings?

 

[godnotgod]

One does Not have to put any stock in a future heavenly King ( Jesus ) to rule over Earth in order for that to come to pass.
Most people would never consider such a thing - 2 Peter 3:3-4
Just because most would Not consider Jesus as King of God's Kingdom government, does Not mean it will Not happen.
It just means the majority will reject Jesus as being King or President over them.- Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 7:13-14

I never said it would not come to pass simply because I place no stock in the idea. I said it is neither here nor there, no matter what you believe, or how strong your faith is. It's just an idea that some people believe will come to pass, for whatever reason(s) they hold dear to them. Having said that, someone could launch the idea that aliens will come to roost and rule the Earth. There is nothing we know of that will make that come to pass or not come to pass. Nor is there anything to indicate that some Jesus will rule the Earth in some non-existent future and will be King or President. It's just an idea. From a psychological POV, this is all about Metaphysical Anxiety. Man is born into this world not knowing (or remembering) where he came from, what he is doing here, or what his fate is after death. His Earthly protectors, his parents, he finds out are also mortal. All of this is cause for anxiety. And so, he creates the idea of a permanent authority/parent figure in 'some other realm', a realm that is forever, and ruled by a parent who is forever. Coupled with the doctrine of Reward and Punishment, he creates a Heaven and a Hell to which one is relegated depending upon one's worthiness or lack thereof, along with personifications of Super Goodness (Jesus) vying with one of Super Evil (Satan) over the fate of one's soul.

What we DO know for a fact, is that happiness, love, peace and understanding are attainable in the Here and Now, as they have always been. A 'Once and Future King' is unnecessary to man's ultimate happiness. The idea of a future king is just a way man has of coping with a reality he does not quite understand, in the same manner that a child relies on his parental authority to protect him and make decisions for him.

 

[godnotgod]

Why are we using 'scripture' at all in a discussion of Cosmology? Why not use Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings?

I suppose it is because scripture is one group's answer to how the Earth came into being. We should allow all proposals to be presented and thereby subjected to the light of scrutiny, now matter how far-fetched or unlikely.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Absolutely: happiness, love, peace and understanding are attainable in the here and now - John 13:34-35
The Bible adds ' hope ' to that list because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will Not only usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill, but righteous mankind can add perfectly healthy ' everlasting life on earth ' onto the above list starting with the soon coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37

 

[godnotgod]

Absolutely: happiness, love, peace and understanding are attainable in the here and now - John 13:34-35
The Bible adds ' hope ' to that list because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will Not only usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill, but righteous mankind can add perfectly healthy ' everlasting life on earth ' onto the above list starting with the soon coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37

If happiness, et all, are attainable in the here and now, we don't need some 'other' to foist it upon us in some future. Real happiness (ie 'Absolute Joy') exists because it is a steady state condition found only in the Present. Relative joy and relative suffering are what we call the 'ups and downs' of life. They are temporal. IOW, Absolute Joy IS ALREADY THE CASE. All we need to do is to realize it. That realization is what is known as Enlightenment. To seek it, plan for it, manipulate it, predict it, is to get further away from it. To fantasize that there is some anthropomorphic agent who will bring it, establish it, enforce it is only a belief in a state of affairs that is artificial. No one can give man what he already has in his possession, even if he is unaware of it.

BTW, the passage from Revelation 21:1-5, which describes the 'new heaven and and new earth', was written by John of Patmos. Seems he was exiled by the Romans to this Greek island and there wrote Revelation. As it turns out, the island of Patmos is rampant with hallucinogenic mushrooms. The horrendous visions described by John in Revelation are consistent with those of test subjects under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

John wrote Revelation 'before' he penned his gospel account and 1st John, 2nd John and 3rd John showing John's mind was clear.
Like the rest of Scripture, Revelation has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages which explains a lot of Revelation for us.
Basically revelation means a revealing. The Bible book of Revelation is a revealing of the happy future for mankind - Revelation 22:2- free from sickness - Isaiah 33:24

Please notice: 2 Peter 3:5 (OLD) ; 2 Peter 3:7 (NOW) and 2 Peter 3:13 (NEW)
The heavens and earth of OLD was the situation in Noah's day
The heavens and earth of NOW is the situation from Noah's day to our day
The NEW heavens and earth is the righteous situation coming under Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth when righteousness will dwell on earth - Revelation 22:2

 

[godnotgod]

Absolutely: happiness, love, peace and understanding are attainable in the here and now - John 13:34-35
The Bible adds ' hope ' to that list because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will Not only usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill, but righteous mankind can add perfectly healthy ' everlasting life on earth ' onto the above list starting with the soon coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37

So you are saying that there will be peace on earth 'among people of goodwill' and 'righteous man', meaning that there remains an element of man which is unrighteous and without goodwill. So there is no 'global' peace on earth. You are talking about an enforced polarized condition, in which the righteous live in one area of the earth and the rest elsewhere. IOW, 'heaven and hell' on earth. Don't you see? That is what is already happening, but it is the rich who are carting their loot off to the Bahamas, and the governments who are protecting them.

 

[godnotgod]

John wrote Revelation 'before' he penned his gospel account and 1st John, 2nd John and 3rd John showing John's mind was clear.
Like the rest of Scripture, Revelation has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages which explains a lot of Revelation for us.
Basically revelation means a revealing. The Bible book of Revelation is a revealing of the happy future for mankind - Revelation 22:2- free from sickness - Isaiah 33:24

Please notice: 2 Peter 3:5 (OLD) ; 2 Peter 3:7 (NOW) and 2 Peter 3:13 (NEW)
The heavens and earth of OLD was the situation in Noah's day
The heavens and earth of NOW is the situation from Noah's day to our day
The NEW heavens and earth is the righteous situation coming under Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth when righteousness will dwell on earth - Revelation 22:2

Sorry, hallucinations. Buddhists experience the same thing, called makyo, but they know they are hallucinations.

Do you believe in democracy?

 

[godnotgod]

The NEW heavens and earth is the righteous situation coming under Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth when righteousness will dwell on earth - Revelation 22:2

That is, until God, in the form of a cute little Serpent, tempts one of them with The Forbidden (but, Oh, So Succulent!) Kumquat, in what was the very first Celestial Sting Operation, and the Game of Life begins all over again. Once in awhile, someone awakens from this vicious cycle of a dream and sees things as they really are, and attempts to save the rest from their delusions, someone like The Buddha, for example.

Say! Did you know that THE Buddha was also A buddha?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That is, until God, in the form of a cute little Serpent, tempts one of them with The Forbidden (but, Oh, So Succulent!) Kumquat, in what was the very first Celestial Sting Operation, and the Game of Life begins all over again. Once in awhile, someone awakens from this vicious cycle of a dream and sees things as they really are, and attempts to save the rest from their delusions, someone like The Buddha, for example.
Say! Did you know that THE Buddha was also A buddha?

Please Note: the 'serpent ' (aka Satan - Revelation 12:9; Revelation 12:12) will be in an abyss for a thousand years - Revelation 20:1-3 - then Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
So, there will be No more Satan and No more demons to ever cause trouble for mankind ever again. Mankind will be healed - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24 and Isaiah chapter 35

 

[godnotgod]

Please Note: the 'serpent ' (aka Satan - Revelation 12:9; Revelation 12:12) will be in an abyss for a thousand years - Revelation 20:1-3 - then Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
So, there will be No more Satan and No more demons to ever cause trouble for mankind ever again. Mankind will be healed - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24 and Isaiah chapter 35

There is no reference to the serpent being any such 'Satan' in Genesis. That reference did not appear until Numbers, backwritten as so many other Biblical passages have deceptively been done. You just don't understand that the orthodox story you've been handed is a fraud, perpetrated by the priests as a means of extracting tribute from their congregations. There is no 'Satan' or 'Original Sin'. After Genesis, the serpent was eventually demonized and turned into The Devil, in the same manner that many other benign images have been. As just one example, Pan, the Greek god of wine and poetry, was transformed into a Satanic figure.

You are sadly mistaken to believe that destroying the idea of Satan or demons will rid man of his troubles. That is just a child's fantasy, and demonstrates an ignorance of the human mind, where all evil originates, and which creates such personifications of evil and then projects them onto them as 'others'. It is a clever trick of the ego, foisted upon man to keep him enslaved.

On top of all that, the descriptions of Satan in Revelation were written by John of Patmos, whose vivid imagery is consistent with those of test subjects under the influence of halucinogens, halucinogens which, as I previously mentioned, grew rampant on the island of Patmos.

If you knew anything at all about how the spiritual world ACTUALLY works, you would see instantly that such descriptions and imagery are based on fears and ignorance within the ordinary conditioned mind of man, and NOT upon a spiritually awakened mind. These are distortions of Reality, and point to a gross ignorance, superstition, and fear of the natural world.

Yes, everything can be OK, but not the way you are describing it. One must simply awaken to Reality in order to see that what you believe to be a polarized conflict between Good and Evil is a concoction that is not real, and exists only in the deluded mind of man, who is responding to appearances, just as one would recoil at the sight of what he thinks is a snake, when in actuality, is simply a rope moving in the wind. As it is said, man is on a

'Troubled voyage in calm weather'

Anyway, to get back to the subject at hand, all you have said about the creation of the Earth is purely based on your religious beliefs, and has nothing to do with Reality. Please conclude by simply admitting that you just don't know and this thread can move on.

 

[Faronator]

Very carefully.

 

[godnotgod]

Most of us tend to see the world in dualistic terms: material vs. spiritual, etc., but in reality, these two are not different. The world IS the spiritual, manifesting itself AS the 'material'*. 'Why', is another question. Quantum Physics is casting new light on this question, and how we see the world. See here:

https://www.scienceandnonduality.co...tum-physics-reveals-about-how-we-should-live/

*The East has been telling us this for thousands of years, and that what we call the 'material' world is an illusion. Recent findings in Quantum Mechanics have shown that all of the mass of the atom is being created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields, rendering all of reality as virtual reality.

"The Universe is [none other than] The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
Vivekenanda


"Now Swami Vivekananda's statement that the Universe is the Absolute seen through the screen of time, space and causation allows us to get some interesting information, albeit in negative terms, about what he calls the Absolute.

Since it is not in time, it cannot be changing. Change takes place only in time.

And since it is not in space, it must be undivided, because dividedness and separation occur only in space.

And since it is therefore one and undivided, it must also be infinite, since there is no "other" to limit it.

Now "changeless," "infinite," and "undivided" are negative statements, but they will suffice. We can trace the physics of our Universe from these three negative statements. If we don't see the Absolute as what it is, we'll see it as something else. If we don't see it as changeless, infinite, and undivided, we'll see it as changing, finite, and divided, since in this case there is no other else. There is no other way to mistake the changeless except as changing. So we see a Universe which is changing all the time, made of minuscule particles, and divided into atoms."

http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Creation might not be the right word.
No one knows the SOURCE and neither does my 'religion' for sure. There are only theories.
But time is cyclic in my view. Nothing is destroyed or created but simply transformed.
Since there are many theories of creation, people can pick the ones they seem fine with.

According to the Vaishnava theory and scriptures, The universe simply is destroyed, collapses on itself, contracts and becomes a single point.
Then it starts expanding again.
It is said that there are many msny universes, each pervaded by Vishnu.
The word Vishnu means "All pervading" and it is thought that there a cosmic ocean and each universe is like a bubble in it arising from Krishna.

The bubble which was the Hiranyagarbha (golden embryo) then causes all living things to come out.
Vishnu or Purusha is the universal consciousness and under him Mahamaya or Prakriti which is the dynamic energy changes and shapes the cosmos and everything within it.

It is calculated that the universe will last for 311.14 trillion years and is 155.55 trillion years old.