How do we know a Prophet is a Prophet and sent by God?

[rational experiences]

Human man. Science his thinking non arguable says first I'm natural.

Planet natural.
Heavens natural.

No theory. No thesis ....natural science.

Why a newly owned man's life can say all previous man thoughts BS fake.

As every new life reown ability to think first again.

Only egotism human expressed argues. As egotists are the worst humans.

Why a man can say human science is a historic liar and now it is. Based on human want only not natural truth.

As not one human thought owns any reason why created creation exists was your first egotists teaching.

A human warning about life's destroyer on planet earth relative.

 

[KWED]

It is a sound teaching that reflects why the thoughts of men are so divided on the topic of God. Truth is relative to our own nature, nurture and then choices.

So you don't berlieve that anyone has a universal, 'one size fits all', solution to the topic of god. Not even your man Bahaullah.

all the Prophets and Messengers sent by God are the only way we can know God, in Attributes.

But you earlier claimed that it is impossible to ever understand god.

The Attributes are the Essence of the Messenger, they are the mirrors of the Spirit that emanates from God, they are the 'Self of God' to us in the matrix.

Would you like some dressing with that?

Thus as it has been previously offered. It is the person, their life and the Message that distinguishes the Prophets and Messengers from other human beings. As they are born of that Holy Spirit and not of the human spirit.

How do you know, other than by their own claim to be a messenger of god? Remember that you just stated that "truth" in this context is entirely subjective.

But unless in is open that there is levels to.spirot that sustain creation, then all this will not even be considered.

The best of choices can be found in what God has offered via the Messengers. History has proved that they have the greatest power to unite the souls and hearts of humanity,

Nonsense. Some of the greatest divisions in human history have been caused by self-proclaimed "messengers of god".

in this age Baha'u'llah has cone to unite the entire human race and the Message he gave is the only way we can unite, it contains all the required guidance needed in this age.

Well he has failed, and his followers will continue to fail - because they offer nothing new or useful, just meaningless platitudes. As you keep demonstrating.

 

[KWED]

No, not the same.

Yes, the same.
As Stephen F Roberts said... "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

 

[KWED]

God is well defined.

The bible says 'God is Love'

1john 4:8 Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.

And yet when you study the words and deeds of the god of the Bible, "love" is not the attribute that springs to mind.
Jealousy, hatred, intolerance, vindictiveness, perhaps. But definitely not love.

 

[KWED]

I see that God does not speak directly to humanity. That is the domain of a Messenger. Any voice we may hear, is not God, but we can be inspired by the Messenger of God.

So if you lived in Persia in the 19th century and the son of a nobleman, called Husayn Ali told you that god speaks to him and he was god's messenger - you would have told him he was wrong.
Interesting...

 

[Trailblazer]

Well he has failed, and his followers will continue to fail - because they offer nothing new or useful, just meaningless platitudes. As you keep demonstrating.

It does not matter what the followers of Baha'u'llah offer, it only matters what Baha'u'llah offered, and He did not offer meaningless platitudes. He offered teachings and Laws that are necessary for individuals and society, if they are ever going to progress morally and spiritually.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So you don't berlieve that anyone has a universal, 'one size fits all', solution to the topic of god. Not even your man Bahaullah.

You should not impute your thoughts to others, it is not genuine, it is not honest.

The Messengers are not men like us. For all senses and purposes, they are the Essence of the Attributes given of the One God, a God that is far beyond our comprehensive capacity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So if you lived in Persia in the 19th century and the son of a nobleman, called Husayn Ali told you that god speaks to him and he was god's messenger - you would have told him he was wrong.
Interesting...

One can not know what their own reaction would have been, but one can offer many embraced the fact that He was trustworthy and truthful in that claim.

At the time Baha'u'llah also provided ample evidence that He was as claimed. That evidence remains in the Writings left Behind.

They are the perfect guidance for a wayward humanity.

It is most likely goodbye between us. Have a good life, may all your desires be fulfilled.

My best wishes for you, can only be, may one consider that God's Will needs to be embraced.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, the same.
As Stephen F Roberts said... "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

The parting note is.

"Knowledge is one point, which the foolish have multiplied."

Bahá’u’lláh, The Ki tab-i-Ian, p. 183

Goodbye from Tony.

 

[Trailblazer]

At the time Baha'u'llah also provided ample evidence that He was as claimed. That evidence remains in the Writings left Behind.

and in the mission He completed successfully.

 

[Trailblazer]

The parting note is.

"Knowledge is one point, which the foolish have multiplied."

Bahá’u’lláh, The Ki tab-i-Ian, p. 183

Goodbye from Tony.

Below my favorite passage about knowledge (emphasis mine).

“Know verily that Knowledge is of two kinds: Divine and Satanic. The one welleth out from the fountain of divine inspiration; the other is but a reflection of vain and obscure thoughts. The source of the former is God Himself; the motive-force of the latter the whisperings of selfish desire. The one is guided by the principle: “Fear ye God; God will teach you;” 29 the other is but a confirmation of the truth: “Knowledge is the most grievous veil between man and his Creator.” The former bringeth forth the fruit of patience, of longing desire, of true understanding, and love; whilst the latter can yield naught but arrogance, vainglory and conceit.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 69

 

[TransmutingSoul]

and in the mission He completed successfully.

Yes indeed, the Kingdom being built from the rubble and ashes of a dying old world order.

All the best Susan, I hope all is well with Lewis. I am wishing for the best for you both.

Regards Tony

 

[KWED]

It does not matter what the followers of Baha'u'llah offer, it only matters what Baha'u'llah offered, and He did not offer meaningless platitudes. He offered teachings and Laws that are necessary for individuals and society, if they are ever going to progress morally and spiritually.

Well, of course you would say that. However, the evidence suggests otherwise.

But for argument's sake, could you cite a couple of the most important of his teachings and laws that are necessary for society? Practical specifics please, not mere platitudes. Thanks.

 

[KWED]

You should not impute your thoughts to others, it is not genuine, it is not honest.

It was the implication of what you were saying.
This is the problem when you think in received platitudes. You often don't seem to understand what you are actually saying.

The Messengers are not men like us.

How do you know? Because they told you?
You have already stated that no one can understand god, so how can you know if someone else is genuinely claiming to understand god?

For all senses and purposes, they are the Essence of the Attributes given of the One God, a God that is far beyond our comprehensive capacity.

Again, on what do you base that assertion? The assertion of another person, and you have no way of knowing it their claims are genuine or not. You are simply believing what you want to believe.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Below my favorite passage about knowledge (emphasis mine).

“Know verily that Knowledge is of two kinds: Divine and Satanic. The one welleth out from the fountain of divine inspiration; the other is but a reflection of vain and obscure thoughts. The source of the former is God Himself; the motive-force of the latter the whisperings of selfish desire. The one is guided by the principle: “Fear ye God; God will teach you;” 29 the other is but a confirmation of the truth: “Knowledge is the most grievous veil between man and his Creator.” The former bringeth forth the fruit of patience, of longing desire, of true understanding, and love; whilst the latter can yield naught but arrogance, vainglory and conceit.” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 69

I definitly have satanic patience.

Maybe that is what I was supposed to learn. , but after 64 years, it may be a lost cause.

Regards Tony

 

[KWED]

One can not know what their own reaction would have been, but one can offer many embraced the fact that He was trustworthy and truthful in that claim.

But you just stated that anyone claiming that god speaks to them is wrong. Now you are claiming that they are right is other people believe them? That's a pretty low bar.
Also, most people rejected his claims, and still do, so where does that leave you?

At the time Baha'u'llah also provided ample evidence that He was as claimed. That evidence remains in the Writings left Behind.

Only for the gullible and credulous. There is no "evidence" to the critical thinker.

They are the perfect guidance for a wayward humanity.

So say the followers of all "prophets" and even political leaders. Why do you think your own version is different?

It is most likely goodbye between us.

Oh, I doubt that. I will continue to challenge nonsense whenever I see it.

Have a good life, may all your desires be fulfilled.

One of my desires is that people stop blindly following nonsensical spiritual leaders. I hope for your sake that your wish comes true.

My best wishes for you, can only be, may one consider that God's Will needs to be embraced.

Which version of god are you talking about?

 

[KWED]

The parting note is.
"Knowledge is one point, which the foolish have multiplied."

Yet more meaningless platitudes.
I bet you can't even explain what that means in practical terms.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I see that God does not speak directly to humanity. That is the domain of a Messenger. Any voice we may hear, is not God, but we can be inspired by the Messenger of God.

Regards Tony

But messengers are people

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, of course you would say that. However, the evidence suggests otherwise.

But for argument's sake, could you cite a couple of the most important of his teachings and laws that are necessary for society? Practical specifics please, not mere platitudes. Thanks.

Below are eight important teachings.

• The oneness of God.
• The oneness of humanity.
• The oneness of religion.
• Religion as a school.
• Equality of women and men.
• Harmony of religion and science.
• Universal compulsory education.
• Universal auxiliary language.

Read more: Bahá'í teachings - Wikipedia

There are many important laws which will be necessary to be put into practice if society is ever to advance morally and spiritually. Two that come to mind are abstention from alcohol and recreational drugs and abstention from sex out of wedlock.

 

[Trailblazer]

But messengers are people

Messengers are human but they are also divine. That is what differentiates them from ordinary humans.