How do you explain AOC's hysterical irrational behavior?

[sealchan]

Given no evidence that women are being forced to drink out of toilets and why were the Congressional Hispanic Caucus democrats with her willing to pander to her misinformation tantrum?

Did she take a picture of a woman drinking out of a toilet or interview one... no... she made it up and that's sad.

yesterday's article on FOX NEWS

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., allegedly screamed at Customs and Border Protection agents "in a threatening manner" during a recent visit to a southern border facility in Texas, according to a report — after she made the explosive claim that women being held at at least one facility are being forced to drink "out of toilets."

The New York Democrat allegedly became angry with federal agents on Monday in El Pasoduring a trip to the area with roughly a dozen members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the Washington Examiner reported, citing two witnesses at the location.

unquote


in another article

Ocasio-Cortez claimed without evidence that CBP officers told detained women to drink from the toilets if they were thirsty while Ocasio-Cortez stood there and witnessed it.

her tweet

"Just left the 1st CBP facility. I see why CBP officers were being so physically &sexually threatening towards me," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "Officers were keeping women in cells w/ no water & had told them to drink out of the toilets. This was them on their GOOD behavior in front of members of Congress."

Told? really? how about reckless inappropriate claims on AOC's part

How do you know it was reckless? What if it is true. Nothing you've said establishes that what she claims isnt accurate.

I'm keeping an open mind...it seems that there are reports coming out which suggest bad conditions at border facilities.

 

[shmogie]

Your response above doesn't surprise me one iota, so let me just finish off that when I read what you say and then remember what Jesus taught, there's no match.

He taught "love one another", and his Sermon On the Mount and his Parable of the Sheep & Goats demanded compassion for those in need especially, but what you continue to show is a willingness to just blow off his teachings.

You have made your own bed, but that "bed" is in opposition to the basic love and compassion that Jesus taught, and that's truly unfortunate. Maybe reread the Sermon On the Mount and then think about your actions here at RF.

He always taught in terms of relationships on the individual level. He never taught about governments representing all types of people, with all types of views. You don´t seem to grasp this.

You have no idea how I personally spend my resources in charitable contributions, you have no idea how I volunteer my time, following his commands.

The purpose of a government among other things, is to take tax money to serve itś citizens. America is not ruled by a theocracy, nor should it ever be. Prudent use of the peoples money is a primary responsibility.

The country is over 20 trillion in debt, and has been spending billions every year on citizens of other countries , who are here against the law. They have left their home countries, dragged their families thousands of miles, expecting the US taxpayers to provide them food, clothing, medical aid, and housing.
If they make it into the interior of he country, they will continue to absorb tax money, for years.

When adjudicated, the overwhelming majority of these people are found to be ineligable for political asylum, thus they are economic migrants.

Contrary to what you believe, I don´t criticize these people or their motivations, I criticize the government for making it easy for millions of them to come, for lax enforcement of the law, and for giving them resources that they never earned that was taken from citizens. The government incentivises citizens of other countries to come and take what isn´t theirs.

If a citizen of any country on earth, or millions of them, can enter the US by walking over an arbitrary line, with a very high chance that they will ultimately stay, with no ability to provide for themselves, and will be supported in whole or in part by the government, something is wrong.

So called entitlement spending is the first, or second highest cost in the federal budget, and it grows every year. More people are getting freebies with less people to pay for them.

The government isn´t in the business of charity, at least not for potentially every non citizen on the face of the earth.

Cruel ? I don´t think so. Where I live there are very rare mountain sheep in the hills. They are totally protected, as they should be. Yet, as the herd expands beyond the ability of the natural resources to support them, some are hunted and killed, so the overall herd will continue to thrive in its environment.

Money, from the taxpayers of America is taken as the resource to provide for Americans. All kinds of things absorb this money, it is not infinite in itś amount. That spent on illegals, subtracts from somewhere else.

The billions spent on them this year may have been welcomed as aid in some fashion to inner city kids, or Native Americans, or desperate folk in Appalachia.

It is fine when the economy is booming to think there is enough, but there is a big correction coming sooner or later, and the money river may become a trickle, then what ?

It is squarely on the shoulders of congress to change things to a more rational policy, and they have done nothing to address the issue for decades. They want to provide cheap and exploited labor for their big donors, both parties.

My suggestion, if you aren´t already doing it, is to follow the words of the Christ as He meant them, take some of these families into your home, and provide for them. Christ never commanded Rome to care for
the poor, He commanded His followers to do so.

If every person who wants to follow The Word in like manner as you would do this, the secular government would have more to spend on those who the tax money is intended for, Americans.

 

[shmogie]

Someone needs a timeout....

You tell l him, I have tried for years.

 

[whirlingmerc]

How do you know it was reckless? What if it is true. Nothing you've said establishes that what she claims isnt accurate.

I'm keeping an open mind...it seems that there are reports coming out which suggest bad conditions at border facilities.

No one has corroborated her story which includes the Democratic Congresspeople who were with her who by their silence were complicit in the terminological inexactitude but did not put the same in writing so as to be accountable.

Her story has been refuted by inspection of the facilities by other parties

 

[Politesse]

If shouting at those who run concentration camps is "hysterical", then being hysterical is something to aspire to.

 

[Shad]

Homeland Security admits it’s using abhorrent conditions at detention centers to deter migration

https://thinkprogress.org/dhs-oig-h...ditions-used-to-deter-migration-9b0420b7e70b/

Doesn't link the report.

'They were laughing at us': immigrants tell of cruelty, illness and filth in US detention

Hearsay.

 

[metis]

No one has corroborated her story which includes the Democratic Congresspeople who were with her who by their silence were complicit in the terminological inexactitude but did not put the same in writing so as to be accountable.

Her story has been refuted by inspection of the facilities by other parties

Didn't you see the photos of a couple of the facilities released by the Inspector General who is investigating this on behalf of the DHS? Pretty telling that AOC was very much spot-on about the abysmal conditions these people, including the children, are being subject to. One cell filled with men, legally only to hold a max of 41, had 88 there, thus so packed that they could even sit down.

If your family was amongst them, how would you feel?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

She reminds me of a Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror episode in which
advertising mascots became animated, & went on a spree of destruction.
Lisa discovered that they'd become statues again if only no one paid
them any attention. Do the same with AOC?

The Weeping Angels from Dr Who.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

She reminds me of a Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror episode in which
advertising mascots became animated, & went on a spree of destruction.
Lisa discovered that they'd become statues again if only no one paid
them any attention. Do the same with AOC?

The funny thing is, if no one posted about her on here, I would not be aware she said anything.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Didn't you see the photos of a couple of the facilities released by the Inspector General who is investigating this on behalf of the DHS? Pretty telling that AOC was very much spot-on about the abysmal conditions these people, including the children, are being subject to. One cell filled with men, legally only to hold a max of 41, had 88 there, thus so packed that they could even sit down.

If your family was amongst them, how would you feel?

No one was told to drink out of toilets.

If she wanted to discuss facilities there are ways that don't involve slandering the workers

 

[metis]

No one was told to drink out of toilets.

You don't know that! And this is why you simply cannot be taken seriously because you post things as facts that simply have not been verified in any way. You weren't there, neither was I, but at least I am not making a claim one way or the other on this.

 

[whirlingmerc]

You don't know that! And this is why you simply cannot be taken seriously because you post things as facts that simply have not been verified in any way. You weren't there, neither was I, but at least I am not making a claim one way or the other on this.

The facilities were toured many ties by many groups

AOC is the only group that went off the rails with terminological inexactitudes

 

[metis]

The facilities were toured many ties by many groups

Yes, and I have both heard and read from them, and if you think that they have said there's not a problem then you are sadly mistaken. One group that also reported earlier this week was from "Save Our Children" and what they have witnesses and heard from people on the inside.

AOC is the only group that went off the rails with terminological inexactitudes

No, it is not her that went off the rails-- it's you. And you seem so utterly calloused about what's going on there, plus you have not apparently seen the pictures from the Inspector General's report.

 

[sealchan]

No one has corroborated her story which includes the Democratic Congresspeople who were with her who by their silence were complicit in the terminological inexactitude but did not put the same in writing so as to be accountable.

Her story has been refuted by inspection of the facilities by other parties

Maybe they didn't hear what she heard? Maybe she spoke the language and they didn't? I don't really know.

Can you provide links to reports on the results of the inspections which refute her statement?

 

[sealchan]

Did a little more research...I suspect that AOC posted an overgeneralized statement and then, since it was highly controversial, had to clarify it somewhat. A representative characterized the situation as about a woman who did drink from the toilet but only because she wasn't able to figure out how to get the water out of the sink above the toilet.

Sounds like there is definitely some ambiguity here. AOC may have misunderstood what she was told, she may have been lied to...the CBP representative may have been telling the truth, he may have been covering it up. He said, she said.

As with all such things, better to just keep an open mind.

What is more substantial...

Squalid Conditions at Border Detention Centers, Government Report Finds

 

[shmogie]

No one has corroborated her story which includes the Democratic Congresspeople who were with her who by their silence were complicit in the terminological inexactitude but did not put the same in writing so as to be accountable.

Her story has been refuted by inspection of the facilities by other parties

Further, her allegation that people had to drink toilet water had been proven false. The toilets and sinks are part of the same physical unit, yet have separate water sources. They are found in many jails and prisons. Fresh drinking water is available from the sink.

The bartender never attempted to learn the truth, she never asked anyone who would know what the facts were, she heard a rumor and immediately started shrieking, making all kinds of spurious accusations.

 

[shmogie]

Did a little more research...I suspect that AOC posted an overgeneralized statement and then, since it was highly controversial, had to clarify it somewhat. A representative characterized the situation as about a woman who did drink from the toilet but only because she wasn't able to figure out how to get the water out of the sink above the toilet.

Sounds like there is definitely some ambiguity here. AOC may have misunderstood what she was told, she may have been lied to...the CBP representative may have been telling the truth, he may have been covering it up. He said, she said.

As with all such things, better to just keep an open mind.

What is more substantial...

Squalid Conditions at Border Detention Centers, Government Report Finds

Why then did she not support a bill to allocate more billions to deal with these conditions ?

 

[sealchan]

Why then did she not support a bill to allocate more billions to deal with these conditions ?

I don't know. Let us know if you find out the answer. Be sure to get her words on the answer as part of your investigation.

 

[shmogie]

I don't know. Let us know if you find out the answer. Be sure to get her words on the answer as part of your investigation.

Not my investigation. She is ruled by uncontrolled emotion and self promotion.

If she actually thought about something and calmed down, it would be to her benefit.

She functions at the same level Trump does at times.

 

[metis]

No one was told to drink out of toilets.

If she wanted to discuss facilities there are ways that don't involve slandering the workers

Again, you're simply being dishonest as there simply and logically is no way that you could possibly know this. What you are essentially doing is catering to "Caesar" instead of seeking the Truth. So, I guess there's no where to go with this as long as you're all too willing to do as such.