yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
No he said 'don't respond with scripture'.
Unless you are going to argue that scripture is fact which presents some interesting absurdities.
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Unless you are going to argue that scripture is fact which presents some interesting absurdities.
I certify the bible is truth! My testimony is that without intervention by a higher power, I would not have survived to testify today!
Keep reading my post where-in I said I haven't the power to open your eyes! That's Gods balywick!
Arguing is fruitless. :shout is fruitful. :yes:
Shalom
eXiled
I like logic.
Only when points are taken and put to practice. Have you really studied the bible?
Are you searching for God or gods?
Or maybe a religion that fits!
Old addage, You gotta believe in something or you'll fall for anything.
I testify to the Living God and the truth of the bible, that's the best I can do!
If I drag you down a road you are not ready to travel, all I'll do is tire myself out and make you mad for dragging you where you don't want to go. It is a no win situation!
When you are ready to walk the same path I'm on, you are welcome to discuss the finer points, but to keep on keeping on a dead subject is a waste of yours and my time.
I bow out.
Shalom
eXiled
I like logic.
Points are put to practice. What it comes down to, and it's a little juvenile on my part, and it's probably one of the most asked questions on here, but it's this: I'm suffering. Yes, it's selfish, but I'm the only one in this body. I hate hurting. I want it to end. I've prayed since understanding what prayer meant and didn't just do it because I was taught to. I did it becuase it's what I wanted to do to propel myself into his good graces. Now I've prayed to God, not just to relieve me of my pain, but to put a label on it. Just let me know what it is. I don't even have that. If God was loving, his people wouldn't suffer. Sorry, but that's just logical to me. Worship me and.... what exactly? Get into Heaven? Why does there even need to be a Heaven if there's a God? Why can't there be Heaven on Earth? None of it makes sense to me, but honestly, I want to believe, and I'm searching for answers. I don't mean to to try dispute your beliefs, because they're yours.
And honestly, I don't think the path you walk on will help me... I'll probably be dead thanks to whatever is killing me right now. Tell me. Shall I thank God for that?
God has disappointed me.
And honestly, I don't think the path you walk on will help me... I'll probably be dead thanks to whatever is killing me right now. Tell me. Shall I thank God for that?
God has disappointed me.
yossarian22
Resident Schizophrenic
No offense, but the rest is cruft.
Many people view the bible as false or corrupted or a myriad of other things.
Your argument does not really appeal to anybody who does not already agree with you.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Butterflies are made up of atoms which are made of particles that have existed since the Bang. The matter which makes up those atoms is immortal in every sense of the word.
So, in a real sense, every butterfly that existed, existrs now or will ever exist is a survivor of the Big Bang.
Regards,
Scott
Smoke
Done here.
You do understand, don't you, that people who don't accept the authority of the Bible aren't very likely to accept the authority of random people on the internet?
Smoke
Done here.
"Stand."
You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
"You've got to believe in something" is never a very good reason for believing in anything in particular, anything.
Smoke
Done here.
Cher knows all and reveals all:
if you wanna know
if he loves you so
it's in his kiss
that's where it is
if he loves you so
it's in his kiss
that's where it is
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Smoke
Done here.
A lot of people recorded "The Shoop Shoop Song." Betty Everett was the first to have a hit with it, but I didn't expect people to recognize her name.
rasor
Member
What the Bible really says
Imagine that we are friends. One day we are talking:
- Me: Wow, you will not believe this new book I've been reading!
You: What's it about?
Me: It is a manual for living a better life.
You: That sounds like an important book. Who wrote it?
Me: The author is the smartest person in the universe.
- Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel, who give any of their offspring to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone them to death. I myself will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people, because they have given of their offspring to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. And if the people of the land should ever close their eyes to them, when they give of their offspring to Molech, and do not put them to death, I myself will set my face against them and against their family, and will cut them off from among their people, them and all who follow them in prostituting themselves to Molech.
If any turn to mediums and wizards, prostituting themselves to them, I will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you. All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]
- You: I thought you said that this is written by the most intelligent person in the universe. If we are going to follow what this author says, we have to kill half the people in America. We are supposed to kill everyone who has cursed his father or mother, everyone who has committed adultery, and every homosexual.
Me: Well, that's in the old testament, you see. The book is really two books, and the "old" part of the book doesn't really apply.
You: Are you saying that the smartest person in the universe once wanted us to kill every adulterer and homosexual, but then changed his mind? That somehow makes it better? If the "old part" no longer applies, then why did you hand it to me when I asked to see the book?
Me: Well, parts of it do apply. - You: Didn't you just tell me that it doesn't apply?
- When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.
Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death. If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God, then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee. But if someone wilfully attacks and kills another by treachery, you shall take the killer from my altar for execution.
Whoever strikes father or mother shall be put to death.
Whoever kidnaps a person, whether that person has been sold or is still held in possession, shall be put to death. Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to death.
When individuals quarrel and one strikes the other with a stone or fist so that the injured party, though not dead, is confined to bed, but recovers and walks around outside with the help of a staff, then the assailant shall be free of liability, except to pay for the loss of time, and to arrange for full recovery. When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property. [Exodus, chapter 21]
You: You have to be kidding me. Here the "smartest person in the universe" is telling us that slavery is OK ?
You open the book to another random page and you find this:
- I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. [1 Timothy, chapter 2]
- You: Is this some kind of joke? "I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man." That is totally sexist! In America, there are millions of female teachers and we have women throughout our corporate and govenment hierarchies. No intelligent person believes that women should be silenced.
You keep opening the book to random pages, and nearly everything you find is utter nonsense. Either it is meaningless, completely irrelevant, disgusting or downright wrong.
If you are a scientist it is even worse, and it starts with the very first line:
- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
- Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being.Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.
- The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.
- There was no tower of Babel where God confounded the languages of mankind.
Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?
Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains.The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Posting the exact same post in multiple threads with no regard for the actual conversation is spamming, rasor, and against the forum rules.
rasor
Member
Rasor is a 60 year old man
and you seem to be a totally indoctrinated man without an ounce of logic in your makeup.You can't even answer the points put to you .
rasor
Member
Really? and where is my post repeated please ?
rasor
Member
No problem Storm.I'm used to believers being confused.