How do you know you are not "A.I."?

[Ben Dhyan]

That from which the universe was made would be eternal -but the universe is an arrangement which has not always existed, and continues to change somewhat.

The universe is all there is, was, or ever will be........but the manifested forms each have a beginning and an ending and are thus not eternal in nature as individual creations.....but in the generic sense, universal manifestation is an eternal aspect of the eternal universe...there was never a first created form...

 

[Etritonakin]

The universe is all there is, was, or ever will be........but the manifested forms each have a beginning and an ending and are thus not eternal in nature as individual creations.....but in the generic sense, universal manifestation is an eternal aspect of the eternal universe...there was never a first created form...

It is only an assumption that our universe -beginning with the "big bang" -is all that exists -or will exist.
If by universe you mean "everything" -then yes -but we do not know that our universe is everything.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is only an assumption that our universe -beginning with the "big bang" -is all that exists -or will exist.
If by universe you mean "everything" -then yes -but we do not know that our universe is everything.

It is not an assumption that our universe is all that exists and has always existed...there is logic or reason that shows that nothing can be removed from the universe and nothing can be added to it....in the past, now, or in the future....yes?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

paarsurrey said: ↑
How do you know you are not "A.I."?

What does one understand from the word "artificial"? Anybody responding should give one's own understanding, not from a dictionary. Please
Regards

We,humans, are naturally created by G-d through the process of evolution.
Regards

Fine, but what if we create an AI which has, or develops, self-awareness?

Sounds like a simulation to me -not being able to see what is beyond -but perhaps we choose to be ignorant about what was before it.

Simulation....of what? And we don't choose to be ignorant. In fact some (like Hawking) are so sure that there's no God to find beyond it that they cook the books to "prove" it. The opposite of divine revelation I guess you could say.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

It is not an assumption that our universe is all that exists and has always existed...there is logic or reason that shows that nothing can be removed from the universe and nothing can be added to it....in the past, now, or in the future....yes?

The universe is expanding, and if it isn't infinite, it's likely expanding into something. And this universe had a beginning, as much as some of the people who discovered that fact didn't like it.

 

[Etritonakin]

Simulation....of what? And we don't choose to be ignorant. In fact some (like Hawking) are so sure that there's no God to find beyond it that they cook the books to "prove" it. The opposite of divine revelation I guess you could say.

Yes -we often choose to be ignorant.

Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.[1] The act of simulating something first requires that a model be developed; this model represents the key characteristics or behaviors/functions of the selected physical or abstract system or process. The model represents the system itself, whereas the simulation represents the operation of the system over time.

If we were not an imitation, we would not have been produced. That which is not imitation was self-produced.
We did not produce ourselves.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Yes -we often choose to be ignorant.

Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.[1] The act of simulating something first requires that a model be developed; this model represents the key characteristics or behaviors/functions of the selected physical or abstract system or process. The model represents the system itself, whereas the simulation represents the operation of the system over time.

If we were not an imitation, we would not have been produced. That which is not imitation was self-produced.
We did not produce ourselves.

The question isn't what a simulation is, the question is, a simulation of what, and how it's used to maintain ignorance?

 

[viole]

How can x have two identities?

It is an equation. Not an identity. Not even two

In this case x=0 solves it. Uniquely. So x has one identity, in this case, after all.

Ciao

- viole

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

It is an equation. Not an identity. Not even two

In this case x=0 solves it. Uniquely. So x has one identity, in this case, after all.

Ciao

- viole

x = x/10

I never have understood the convention that while you can't divide anything by zero because the answer is undefined, you can divide zero by any number, and it'll only/always be zero. Dividing nothing by something should be undefined as well--inmynevertobhumbleopinion! That would make x/0=0/x, as it should, even though, or because, it's undefined. Hey, I think I just solved for the solution to the GUT!!!

 

[atanu]

However, our creator has given us the capacity to see beyond the "artificial" -though presently with some difficulty -with intelligence, imagination, etc....

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter...

Okay. So, we are endowed with the capacity.

But then how do we know how much capacity? We may be allowed only a glimpse and no more?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The universe is expanding, and if it isn't infinite, it's likely expanding into something. And this universe had a beginning, as much as some of the people who discovered that fact didn't like it.

What existed before the universe?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Okay. So, we are endowed with the capacity.

But then how do we know how much capacity? We may be allowed only a glimpse and no more?

It depends on however much there is to learn, and the dedication and ability of the searcher(s). Nothing allows us, and we are limited only by our circumstances. Someone could struggle a whole lifetime and gain only an inch, but other times, someone can gain lightyears in the flash of an epiphany. All things else being equal, so are the end results, equal.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

What existed before the universe?

Nothing, the ether, quantumland, we don't know. The depth of our ignorance on the subject is infinite, which I think is by design. But if we did know (if it's knowable at all), we could probably noodle out something about what "preceded" the Big Bang.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nothing, the ether, quantumland, we don't know. The depth of our ignorance on the subject is infinite, which I think is by design. But if we did know (if it's knowable at all), we could probably noodle out something about what "preceded" the Big Bang.

Mere ignorant speculation that can be dismissed with reason and logic... To say that "we don't know" what existed before the universe or how or why there was a beginning...and yet in the same breath dismiss irrefutable reason why there could not have been a beginning is quite amazing to me...

 

[Etritonakin]

Okay. So, we are endowed with the capacity.

But then how do we know how much capacity? We may be allowed only a glimpse and no more?

Increased knowledge and understanding means increased ability to destroy.
We already know too much from that perspective.
It is wise to keep us relatively ignorant until we are responsible.

I'm not worried about it. We have an entire universe. I'm in no rush to figure out how it works.

We should focus on managing what we have -or we may lose it.

We also spend too little time simply enjoying what we have.

So what if it is a simulation? It is an awesome simulation!

 

[atanu]

Increased knowledge and understanding means increased ability to destroy.
We already know too much from that perspective.
It is wise to keep us relatively ignorant until we are responsible.

I'm not worried about it. We have an entire universe. I'm in no rush to figure out how it works.

We should focus on managing what we have -or we may lose it.

We also spend too little time simply enjoying what we have.

So what if it is a simulation? It is an awesome simulation!

Yes awesome. But old age, disease and death will inevitably inject pain.

 

[Etritonakin]

Yes awesome. But old age, disease and death will inevitably inject pain.

All to positive psychological effect.

Besides... our deaths allow many generations of individuals to gain necessary experience in a limited environment.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Mere ignorant speculation that can be dismissed with reason and logic...

Well, you're in possession something nobody else has. Is that why you don't want to share it.

To say that "we don't know" what existed before the universe or how or why there was a beginning...and yet in the same breath dismiss irrefutable reason why there could not have been a beginning is quite amazing to me...[/QUOTE]

I truly can't imagine what the bold part of the statement is about.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, you're in possession something nobody else has. Is that why you don't want to share it.

To say that "we don't know" what existed before the universe or how or why there was a beginning...and yet in the same breath dismiss irrefutable reason why there could not have been a beginning is quite amazing to me...

I truly can't imagine what the bold part of the statement is about.

I'm not in possession of anything....reality is independent of any human conception.....but I can explain in a logical manner why there could not be a beginning of cosmic existence..

Well it is my understanding that you dismiss the reality of eternal existence...even though it can be shown to be the only logical reason behind existence?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I'm not in possession of anything....reality is independent of any human conception.....but I can explain in a logical manner why there could not be a beginning of cosmic existence..

Well it is my understanding that you dismiss the reality of eternal existence...even though it can be shown to be the only logical reason behind existence?

Just the opposite. I'm usually arguing with people who're saying there isn't an external reality, or at least all we have is our flawed perception of it. And you say you can explain why there is no cosmic beginning, but you don't--and if you have any information of any kind concerning "before" the Big Bang, I haven't read it, from you or anyone. Even Hawking tried to claim he did but then had to back off. It's a perfect fire wall, at least so far.