How do you know you are not "A.I."?

[Ben Dhyan]

Just the opposite. I'm usually arguing with people who're saying there isn't an external reality, or at least all we have is our flawed perception of it. And you say you can explain why there is no cosmic beginning, but you don't--and if you have any information of any kind concerning "before" the Big Bang, I haven't read it, from you or anyone. Even Hawking tried to claim he did but then had to back off. It's a perfect fire wall, at least so far.

There you go asking me about any information I have about " 'before' the big bang" when I keep telling you there was no beginning to the universe so there is no new information to be revealed. What astronomers in the here and now observe today with respect to stars being born and stats dying, new galaxies, old galaxies, etc., etc....is an eternal process..there was a never a beginning to the cosmos....

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There you go asking me about any information I have about " 'before' the big bang" when I keep telling you there was no beginning to the universe so there is no new information to be revealed. What astronomers in the here and now observe today with respect to stars being born and stats dying, new galaxies, old galaxies, etc., etc....is an eternal process..there was a never a beginning to the cosmos....

It's true, I didn't understand that you're just throwing science out the window, which, btw, supports with the biblical and other creation allegories. And what, btw-btw, caused the universe wide, 13 billion year old microwave background radiation echo of a Big Bang scale event?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's true, I didn't understand that you're just throwing science out the window, which, btw, supports with the biblical and other creation allegories. And what, btw-btw, caused the universe wide, 13 billion year old microwave background radiation echo of a Big Bang scale event?

You rhetoric indicates a tendency to attack the messenger rather than the message....and to create digressions....I never attacked science...or try to throw it out the window...but I do not believe any theory or dogma unless it is reasonable...and the creating of this cosmos from nothing is not reasonable whether it comes from Christian, or Big Bang dogmatic true believers... You and big bang science claim to know that something came from nothing (though not how or why)....but the elephant in the room is that neither you nor science can ever show that nothing could exist in the first instance.... Nothing does not exist now, never existed in the past, will not ever exist in the future... And so logically and reasonable....big bang theory needs not one, but two miracles to take place in order to explain existence...first nothing to exist.....and second...something to come into existence from the non-existence...

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

You rhetoric indicates a tendency to attack the messenger rather than the message....and to create digressions....I never attacked science...or try to throw it out the window...but I do not believe any theory or dogma unless it is reasonable...and the creating of this cosmos from nothing is not reasonable whether it comes from Christian, or Big Bang dogmatic true believers... You and big bang science claim to know that something came from nothing (though not how or why)....but the elephant in the room is that neither you nor science can ever show that nothing could exist in the first instance.... Nothing does not exist now, never existed in the past, will not ever exist in the future... And so logically and reasonable....big bang theory needs not one, but two miracles to take place in order to explain existence...first nothing to exist.....and second...something to come into existence from the non-existence...

I'm not saying it was created from nothing. I'm only saying that the current timeline started with the Big Bang and we have no idea what preceded it if anything. That it came from nothing is only one possibility. You said you know there was no Big Bang or beginning of any kind therefore, you're throwing the science that says there was out the window.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm not saying it was created from nothing. I'm only saying that the current timeline started with the Big Bang and we have no idea what preceded it if anything. That it came from nothing is only one possibility. You said you know there was no Big Bang or beginning of any kind therefore, you're throwing the science that says there was out the window.

You may not be saying it, but that's the theory.... Let me ask you...what do you understand to be the shape of the universe?

 

[paarsurrey]

Fine, but what if we create an AI which has, or develops, self-awareness?

It is a big if. Right?
Regards

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

You may not be saying it, but that's the theory.... Let me ask you...what do you understand to be the shape of the universe?

I lean toward the universe being created by God, but there's no evidence either way. And we don't know what the shape of the universe is, or even if it has one. All we can see is 13 billion lightyears in all directions. If it's infinite, there is no shape. And if it curves back in on itself, then ??? In any case, what does that have to do with it's beginning?

It is a big if. Right?
Regards

Yes, but we can't rule out the possibility.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I lean toward the universe being created by God, but there's no evidence either way. And we don't know what the shape of the universe is, or even if it has one. All we can see is 13 billion lightyears in all directions. If it's infinite, there is no shape. And if it curves back in on itself, then ??? In any case, what does that have to do with it's beginning?

Because if the cosmos is infinite...there is no beginning...there is no mathematics to describe it. If you accept a beginning, there are mathematical equations to describe shape according to the expansion factor accepted...it can be round, horseshoe shaped, etc.. and that means you believe in nothingness as that is what determines the edge of the shape...

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, but we can't rule out the possibility.

There is no such possibility. Is the possibility mentioned by the truthful Religion or the science? If yes, then please quote it.
Regards

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There is no such possibility. Is the possibility mentioned by the truthful Religion or the science? If yes, then please quote it.
Regards

You can't rule it out, but you keep declaring on your own authority that there's no such possibility. If there's no evidence either way, our only option is agnosticism.

 

[paarsurrey]

You can't rule it out, but you keep declaring on your own authority that there's no such possibility. If there's no evidence either way, our only option is agnosticism.

Not a true approach. There is no evidence that we are artificial intelligence, so we naturally exist as created by G-d.
Regards