How do you know you are not "A.I."?

[Etritonakin]

I think I understand what you mean....the real is eternal and thus has always existed? As for manifestation of forms...these are always changing through the cycles of creation and destruction...but the underlying substance of the forms is forever the same...

I'm not certain they necessarily have always been changing -but I don't know. Time is thought to have begun with the big bang (I believe only universal time did -and that there is an external reference for universal time -like an hour hand and a minute hand, etc....), but would indeed have begun with the first action/interaction -if there was a first.
I have equal difficulty with imagining how something could happen first -and how things might have always happened.

I do believe that all things ARE knowABLE -even if they are not presently -and I hope to ask the creator of our simulation about it eventually.

I also think we had better start thinking about what our simulations might think about us.

We wouldn't want them to be like Riddick... absolutely believing in us, but absolutely hating us.

Fortunately, I understand that any unpleasant aspect of the present simulation can and will eventually be nullified -but the basic principles upon which it is founded cannot.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Though it is very unlikely, there is no way to prove that I'm not.

 

[Etritonakin]

Though it is very unlikely, there is no way to prove that I'm not.

You would still matter to us. Who says knowing better is better, anyway?

I was having way more fun before I started understanding things.

Hopefully, it will be fun again when we master everything.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm not certain they necessarily have always been changing -but I don't know. Time is thought to have begun with the big bang (I believe only universal time did -and that there is an external reference for universal time -like an hour hand and a minute hand, etc....), but would indeed have begun with the first action/interaction -if there was a first.
I have equal difficulty with imagining how something could happen first -and how things might have always happened.

I do believe that all things ARE knowABLE -even if they are not presently -and I hope to ask the creator of our simulation about it eventually.

I also think we had better start thinking about what our simulations might think about us.

We wouldn't want them to be like Riddick... absolutely believing in us, but absolutely hating us.

Fortunately, I understand that any unpleasant aspect of the present simulation can and will eventually be nullified -but the basic principles upon which it is founded cannot.

Big bang.....so you think the essence of all that is came from nothing?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was having way more fun before I started understanding things.

I've had the exact opposite experience, for every time I learn something I learn there is more that I don't know, and when I find understanding I also find mystery. It's a perpetual feed back loop of acquired knowledge and realized ignorance, and the learning that is fun.
Mastering everything, on the other hand, that would be no fun because there would be no reward from a challenge. Learning a foreign language, such as Japanese, it isn't fun and rewarding because it's easy to learn, but the difficulty that yields fulfillment, delight, and a thirst for more when you begin to be able to pick up on some of it.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

and... that's how I know everything is not a simulation. Only reality can knowingly answer such profundity with such crudeness.

....she said last night

Speak for yourself.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I've had the exact opposite experience, for every time I learn something I learn there is more that I don't know, and when I find understanding I also find mystery. It's a perpetual feed back loop of acquired knowledge and realized ignorance, and the learning that is fun.
Mastering everything, on the other hand, that would be no fun because there would be no reward from a challenge. Learning a foreign language, such as Japanese, it isn't fun and rewarding because it's easy to learn, but the difficulty that yields fulfillment, delight, and a thirst for more when you begin to be able to pick up on some of it.

You just said the magic word, "fulfillment". That's what it's all about. Of course existentialists don't have a clue what it is, they're too busy being.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You just said the magic word, "fulfillment". That's what it's all about. Of course existentialists don't have a clue what it is, they're too busy being.

That's rather presumptuous claim.

 

[Etritonakin]

Speak for yourself.

Report, say they...and we will report it....fear on every side

 

[Etritonakin]

I've had the exact opposite experience, for every time I learn something I learn there is more that I don't know, and when I find understanding I also find mystery. It's a perpetual feed back loop of acquired knowledge and realized ignorance, and the learning that is fun.
Mastering everything, on the other hand, that would be no fun because there would be no reward from a challenge. Learning a foreign language, such as Japanese, it isn't fun and rewarding because it's easy to learn, but the difficulty that yields fulfillment, delight, and a thirst for more when you begin to be able to pick up on some of it.

I find the first to be true in microcosm. Ignorance and invention of evil presently exist in the larger world -and learning of it is not fun. Everyone mastering everything will make it fun again -but we cannot be expected to do things right the first time.

Mastering everything is fun -if you proceed carefully (a perpetual feed back loop of acquired knowledge and realized ignorance, and the learning that is fun) -and the fun never ends because, while only so much now exists, we can move from learning to creating -more so if we learn all that now is to learn. The greatest mystery is in creating that which does not yet exist.
If we do not master everything that is, we may destroy everything that is -and will not be able to continue creating that which is not yet.

 

[Etritonakin]

Big bang.....so you think the essence of all that is came from nothing?

There was never nothing. Everything -because it came from something -came from the most simple thing.

 

[atanu]

As we are not the original intelligence because we truly do not know how we came to exist and did not bring all things into existence -and our reality and perspective bear an uncanny resemblance to a simulation -are we not artificial on some level?

I seem to agree to whole of your post except this.

Yes we are magical products, artificial, created. But if we were only such then there would be no scope of discerning the artificial from the real.

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know you are not "A.I."?

What does one understand from the word "artificial"? Anybody responding should give one's own understanding, not from a dictionary. Please
Regards

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

That's rather presumptuous claim.

Yeah, you're right, they aren't "busy" about it at all.

Report, say they...and we will report it....fear on every side

I don't kiss and tell. And besides, such details would not be appropriate in this forum.

There was never nothing. Everything -because it came from something -came from the most simple thing.

All the rules are off when it comes to what happened before the Big Bang since the evidence is such a perfect nothing. I believe it's because that's by design, but we can't use the lack of evidence.....as evidence.

How do you know you are not "A.I."?

What does one understand from the word "artificial"? Anybody responding should give one's own understanding, not from a dictionary. Please
Regards

A being made by sentient creatures with full self-awareness, as opposed to it being the result of evolution.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
How do you know you are not "A.I."?

What does one understand from the word "artificial"? Anybody responding should give one's own understanding, not from a dictionary. Please
Regards

A being made by sentient creatures with full self-awareness, as opposed to it being the result of evolution.

We,humans, are naturally created by G-d through the process of evolution.
Regards

 

[Etritonakin]

All the rules are off when it comes to what happened before the Big Bang since the evidence is such a perfect nothing. I believe it's because that's by design, but we can't use the lack of evidence.....as evidence.


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Sounds like a simulation to me -not being able to see what is beyond -but perhaps we choose to be ignorant about what was before it.

 

[Etritonakin]

Speak for yourself.

It's all written for easy reference, anyway.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There was never nothing. Everything -because it came from something -came from the most simple thing.

So the universe is eternal.....yes?

 

[Etritonakin]

I seem to agree to whole of your post except this.

Yes we are magical products, artificial, created. But if we were only such then there would be no scope of discerning the artificial from the real.

My overall point was that nothing is artificial if that means not real.

If we use this definition, and replace human/s with God...
1. made by human skill; produced by humans (opposed to natural ):

We would be "artificial" if produced by God. God would exist "naturally".

Our environment could also then be considered artificial.

However, our creator has given us the capacity to see beyond the "artificial" -though presently with some difficulty -with intelligence, imagination, etc....

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Many believe our environment to be so "real" that things such as are written in the bible would be impossible.

Causing the sun to remain in the sky for an extra hour, for example, is essentially like isolating and manipulating only part of a simulation as the rest continues to run.
It would not be unreal -it would be by greater understanding of -and power over -the real.

 

[Etritonakin]

So the universe is eternal.....yes?

That from which the universe was made would be eternal -but the universe is an arrangement which has not always existed, and continues to change somewhat.