How do you know you are right?

[loverofhumanity]

And what continues to Bahai's in Muslim majority countries...

In regards to the OP. I've learned, from experience, to embrace uncertainty. I simply don't know a lot of things. That does not mean that I am not painfully aware of the misunderstanding of others, which is often based on an inebriated sense of certainty.

Well I've read that Indonesia now accepts the Baha'i Faith as a world religion and it is the largest Muslim nation in the world.

And the majority of Muslims are friends with Baha'is. It is only some fanatical clergy who cannot accept that another Prophet came after Muhammad. It is their narrow mindedness that is what makes them antagonistic which is one very tragic example of how us considering we are right and others are wrong can lead to. It is an unhealthy attitude not to have an open mind and not question ourselves. If they did that in Iran, the Bahais would be free by now.

We all make mistakes in being judgemental. We have all done it but the thing to do is to pick one self up and try to correct it by being more open minded. Thank you for your comments I really appreciate them.

 

[David1967]

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

I don't.

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded

That's the trick isn't it. We are to a great extent products (victims?) of the traditions that we are brought up in for better or worse. To answer this question, at this stage of life, yes I can.

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

I like it.

I think it is extraordinarily alarming that we are so ignorant these days of what makes something right or true that most of us resort to consulting "an inner voice"

Gotta watch those inner voices. They tend to tell us what we want to hear. I know mine does. Sometimes I have to tell it to shut up.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, I don't..As I don't put stock in faith as a means of knowing what is and isn't true.

You rest your chips on a lot of faith based premises. Why don't you tell us why you are so sure of them?

Well, I don't..As I don't put stock in faith as a means of knowing what is and isn't true.

You rest your chips on a lot of faith based premises. Why don't you tell us why you are so sure of them?

Love your icon. Worth a like!

My humble understanding is that everyone who searches and investigates truth & reality will receive knowledge and assuretybaccording to the intensity and sincerity of his quest whether it be scientific, religious or worldly knowledge.

The more hungry for truth a person is, the more they will discover and learn.

That was an excellent question that made me think long and hard.

Thank you for these comments.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don't.



That's the trick isn't it. We are to a great extent products (victims?) of the traditions that we are brought up in for better or worse. To answer this question, at this stage of life, yes I can.



I like it.



Gotta watch those inner voices. They tend to tell us what we want to hear. I know mine does. Sometimes I have to tell it to shut up.

Yes that voice within that we ask questions and it answers back - if it's us that asks the question then who is it that answers? Lol

 

[loverofhumanity]

How do we know we are Right ? And who is Right.
This answer is taken from various Murlis
Those who are right are those who have a right of self sovereignty
are constant conquerors of their physical senses ,
are conquerors of Maya (vices),
are conquerors of their acquired natures and subtle sanskaars( values).
are easy yogis, no matter how big a situation may be, it becomes as easy as though nothing has happened – “from a crucifix to a thorn”
use their powers attained from God at the right time
finish all waste and become masters of their thoughts, words and deeds
have the awareness that success is their birth right
Such children become the Father's right hands in establishing the new world and receive the right to the Kingdom of the world and belong to the royal dynasty and have a right to all treasures.

Very nice. I liked that very much especially about establishing the new world and conquerors of vices, actually all of them!

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unfortunately...yes. It can be dead wrong. Will we know? Does God tell us if we are wrong?
There is one passage in the Bible that explains why God will not always tell us that we are on the wrong path.

From the apostle Paul....Concerning the reappearance of the Christ, he says to his brethren...
2 Thess 2:1-3:
"However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you  not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction."

The return of Christ was to be preceded by an apostasy with a "man of lawlessness" revealed....a "son of destruction".

Paul goes on to say in vs 4-7:....
"He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way."

So there is a revealing of one who publicly presents himself to be a god, obviously wielding great power and authority. The presence of the apostles was restraining the identification of this one who was already sowing seeds of apostasy. But once that restraint was removed and the last of the Christian scriptures was penned by the apostle John, that apostasy kept growing until Christianity became virtually unrecognizable. This is what is known today as Christendom. It does not resemble original Christianity in any way.



We should always compare notes and see what sits well with our own heart. But then, hearts are not always a good guide. Sometimes they can be partners in crime. Jeremiah wrote...."The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it?" If that's the case, how can we know for sure? The truth is...we can't. And there is a reason for that.

Paul continues....
"But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."

If we are not genuine in our search for the truth, then God will not correct us. If we want to be deluded, he will let us.
If, for example, we refuse to acknowledge God as the Creator of all things, and instead adopt beliefs developed by scientists that appear to make the Creator redundant, will he tap us on the shoulder and tell us we have mad a mistake? No, he will not. If we want to believe the lie, he will not prevent us from being deluded. The same applies to all other beliefs.



Bingo! Jesus said that his disciples would be known for their love.....not just for mankind generally, but particularly amongst themselves. (John 13:34-35) He said we would be "one" with him and with his Father....not one with a group of other men from different faiths. The God of the Bible does not speak with a forked tongue. His truth is one and our mode of worship can only be one. There are not many paths to God...there is only one, and it is a cramped and narrow road that "few" will find. (Matthew 7:13-14)


Yes indeed we can be closed minded.....but sometime we should be. Confusion results when we try to accommodate too many opinions. Trying to be all things to all people is something God has never needed to do. He is Supreme Sovereign over all his creation, so it is we who must bring our thinking into line with his....he will never alter his standards or teachings to suit us.



Unity will never be achieved by man, according to the Bible.....it is only the coming of God's kingdom that will deliver righteous rule to obedient mankind. This is the Bible's message, and the whole point of the Lord's Prayer. "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven".

We have to know what the kingdom is...how it "comes"...and how that will bring about the doing of 'God's will on earth as it is in heaven'.


No, the Bible indicates that Jesus was the last prophet. He taught us all we need to know....directly from his Father.



No, the apostle Peter said that Christ was "put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit". He did not reclaim the body he sacrificed.



Does it matter? Who is Buddha to the Creator?



It wasn't Moses who parted the Red Sea...it was God's spirit operating through Moses. Why would we doubt it? God had the power to create the Universe...parting a small body of water would have been nothing by comparison.



If satan does not exist, then the Bible makes no sense at all. The whole biblical scenario is based on satan's rebellion and its ramifications for humankind. What we lost in the beginning is returned to us in the end. The rebels are then dealt with permanently.



After Christ left the earth in the first century, he promised to return and take his chosen disciples back to heaven to rule with him.
Baha'u'llah is not the returned Christ because there is nothing at all to qualify him as the "Promised One". You have to take that on faith in much the same way as Mormons have to believe in Joseph Smith is a prophet of God.



I believe in Jesus and he mentioned the flood....so did the apostle Peter. I can rely on their word. I have no reason to doubt.
I fully understand the reasons for it.

We're definitely one in the Lord Jesus and the Bible but what about interpretation? How do you or I know my or your interpretation of the Bible is right or wrong?

There are times Jesus uses figurative language so it's not all cut and dried. For instance He said once 'let the dead bury the dead'. No Christian I know of interpreters that literally and even in new translations now it says 'let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead" which to me means we are still coming to terms with the meanings of parts of the Bible so an open mind can be very helpful as God gave us minds to reason with and question ourselves and our understandings.

Could not Satan refer to the inner whisperings of the ego which tells us to disobey God or do something evil?

What 'qualifications' does Baha'u'llah not meet? Christ also never met the qualifications the Jews expected of Him.

The Bible is the Word of God but shouldn't we be very careful not to lend equivalent authority to personal interpretations? The Jews did that and crucified the very messiah they were awaiting!!

I know at this point, according to your own interpretations you reject Baha'u'llah but is your interpretation infallible and if not should we rely upon it as a just judge?

Shouldn't the Word of God be the judge not our interpretations as to whether He is true or not?

 

[Cobol]

The laws of quantum mechanics, where the energy of a system at any given time known with absolute certainly. So, basically we cannot also state that a system has zero energy as that would be amount to specifying an exact amount of energy at a given time.
This uncertainty which occurs due to quantum mechanics can lead to the creation of small amount of energy from nothing as long as it exists only for a very small amount of time. Such particle created out of nothing are called virtual particles. The consequences of the existence of such virtual particles has been tested experimentally.

This has convinced me god doesn't exist, and I'm glad.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The laws of quantum mechanics, where the energy of a system at any given time known with absolute certainly. So, basically we cannot also state that a system has zero energy as that would be amount to specifying an exact amount of energy at a given time.
This uncertainty which occurs due to quantum mechanics can lead to the creation of small amount of energy from nothing as long as it exists only for a very small amount of time. Such particle created out of nothing are called virtual particles. The consequences of the existence of such virtual particles has been tested experimentally.

This has convinced me god doesn't exist, and I'm glad.

When you say created out of nothing. Nothing does not exist so that is not possible. These virtual,particles must have come about through atmospheric conditions or forces which exist such as physics, magnetism and electricity.

There is no such thing as nothing. What we can't see with the senses can be detected by scientific equipment, but there is only existence not non existence so something can not come from nothing. There must be forces that bring about these particles and they exist.

 

[Cobol]

These virtual,particles must have come about through atmospheric conditions or forces which exist such as physics, magnetism and electricity.

Its called quantum physics.

Virtual particles contain a very small amount of energy and exist for a very small amount of time.

Scientists have long known that minuscule particles, called virtual particles, come into existence from nothing all the time.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Do you think there is such a thing as 'Certitude'? A station of 'knowing'?

I don't believe the human mind is capable of certitude in this context.

 

[psychoslice]

What is right for me could be wrong for you, and what is right for you could be wrong for me, the ego always wants to be right and wants others to be wrong, if everyone was truly right, the ego would want to be wrong believing itself to be right.

The best thing is to give up wanting to be right, and take what is there in that moment, so called truth can never be labeled as right, as soon as we do that, it becomes wrong, it becomes a mere concept, and those who cling to the concept believe they are right, ad so it goes on and on.

 

[Iti oj]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

Is there a difference between know you are wrong and knowing I am right ? I think so. I also think this feel is had more often than people think.

 

[oldbadger]

Hi Old Badger.

Hi...... haven't seen you on RF recently.

The individual members are just people like you and I and as such are prone to error.

Yes.
But the UHJ is described by Bahauallah as a divinely ordained body and unerring...... or words to that effect. Tha's all I'm saying....

 

[jarofthoughts]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

While we all have that inner voice, we must be aware that emotions alone will never tell us what is right or wrong.
Proper judgement of what is right and wrong must be based on logic and evidence after a stated goal is established.
Then, whatever achieves that goal best, with the least amount of suffering and cost, is the right one.

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

I don't have any scriptures. I've read the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, the Tora, multiple Buddhist texts... And while many of them were beautiful, and some even inspiring, I've found none of them to be suitable as an un-questioned guide of what is 'right' or 'wrong'.

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

We must continually question our views and our conclusions, and be ready to abandon them the moment they prove themselves to be false and lacking.

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

'Truth' is a dodgy concept because people will always disagree wabout what it is. What we need are facts derived from objective scientific evidence, and conclusions based on the best evidence avaliable.

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

People are generally speaking stubborn and close-minded. There is evidence in connection to evolutionary psychology that indicates that it is more important for us to appear to be right than to actually -be- right. This is, of course, related to tribalistic mating 'rights'.
In order to stop being stubborn and close-minded, we must detach the ego from the equation (easier said than done) and rely only on what the evidence tells us.

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

I guess.

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

I agree with this sentiment, although, as I said above, truth is a dodgy concept.

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

There is no evidence to suggest that there have been any prophets, let alone a -last- prophet.
There is no evidence to suggest that anyone has actually risen from the dead, bodily or otherwise.
Whether Buddha (which one?) hinted at a God or not is irrelevant.
There is no evidence to suggest that Moses even existed.
There is no evidence to suggest that there is neither a God not a Satan.
I don't know who Baha'u'llah is, and I don't know what was promised.
There is actual evidence that strongly supports the notion that there was never, in fact, any kind of global flood.

Just my two cents.

 

[Bird123]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

You are right. Anyone who seeks Real Truth must question everything including long held beliefs. Sometimes just a little new information can change the view dramatically.

At one time, it was a fact that science said that the smallest part of an element was an atom. Later, it was discovered that was not true. Just a little new information revealed what we thought was a fact was not true at all.

Science corrects the errors. This is one thing I have yet to see religion do. If one seeks Real Truth, one must correct the errors.

You are right again that one must be open minded. Truth will exist that one will not necessarily want to be true. If one is not open to truth we do not like, how can one really be seeking Real Truth?

What is the first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise? The first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise is that there is so much more to learn. If one claims to know it all, as I see it, they are furthest from being truly wise. Ego gets in the ways of so much learning.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

There is a certain inner joy and peace when one is correct.
One can also see that inner turmoil in those who make bad arguments.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

In this forum many views are exchanged. We all have our beliefs and understandings. But how do we know we are right? What is it that 'tells us within" that we can't be wrong and can that inner voice be trusted? Can it be wrong?

How do you know your belief, your understanding, your interpretation of your scriptures is right or truer than someone else's?

Is that inner voice within always right or should we question ourselves more?

If we all set out on a search for truth and we all found it, then wouldn't we be united? For truth is one isn't it and no one truth can contradict another truth? So if we all found truth we would be united wouldn't we? Then if we are divided some of us or many of us haven't found truth?

Can we be detached enough from our own views, our own beliefs, traditions and opinions to be open minded or are we stubborn and closed minded?

“No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth” - Baha'u'llah

“The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.” - Abdul-Baha

Some of the issues people won't budge on may very well have a different explanation than the view commonly held. Was Muhammad really the Last Prophet? Did Jesus really bodily rise from the dead?
Did the Buddha hint at a God? Did Moses really part the Red Sea? Does Satan really exist? Is Baha'u'llah the Promised One? Was there really a Great Flood? (Noah)

You may like to add other topics.

First, absolute knowledge does not exist. As humans all concepts are reflections of the human mind, and therefore subjective. Second, how do we know a certain length of rope is 12" long? We compare to a standard. There are primarily only two standards of truth. The first is authority, i.e. someone told me so, or I read it in a book, or everyone knows that, or it's self-evident. Second is observational/experiential input. Someone might tell me the stove is hot, but when i touch a 300degree burner I KNOW IT'S HOT!

We have to decide which of these standards of truth we accept as prime. I do, tentatively, believe things I"m told or read all the time. But I do not let these things override what I learn from personal observation. Knowledge is built up over many decades from personal observations that are shared among different peoples. This constitutes a sort of partial authoritative / partial experiential database. But the experiential data is repeated and independently verified. It is subject to modification if future observations contradict it.

Authoritative knowledge is not subject to such...So and so told me, I read it in the bible, I don't give a rabbits left foot what you observed.

You know you are close to right as possible by understanding what standard of truth you operate by.

 

[David T]

I know I am right when I realize being right isn't the most important thing. We all forget that rather rapidly.

 

[loverofhumanity]

First, absolute knowledge does not exist. As humans all concepts are reflections of the human mind, and therefore subjective. Second, how do we know a certain length of rope is 12" long? We compare to a standard. There are primarily only two standards of truth. The first is authority, i.e. someone told me so, or I read it in a book, or everyone knows that, or it's self-evident. Second is observational/experiential input. Someone might tell me the stove is hot, but when i touch a 300degree burner I KNOW IT'S HOT!

We have to decide which of these standards of truth we accept as prime. I do, tentatively, believe things I"m told or read all the time. But I do not let these things override what I learn from personal observation. Knowledge is built up over many decades from personal observations that are shared among different peoples. This constitutes a sort of partial authoritative / partial experiential database. But the experiential data is repeated and independently verified. It is subject to modification if future observations contradict it.

Authoritative knowledge is not subject to such...So and so told me, I read it in the bible, I don't give a rabbits left foot what you observed.

You know you are close to right as possible by understanding what standard of truth you operate by.

I agree that personal observation, experimentation and investigation lead to doors of knowledge.

 

[loverofhumanity]

You are right. Anyone who seeks Real Truth must question everything including long held beliefs. Sometimes just a little new information can change the view dramatically.

At one time, it was a fact that science said that the smallest part of an element was an atom. Later, it was discovered that was not true. Just a little new information revealed what we thought was a fact was not true at all.

Science corrects the errors. This is one thing I have yet to see religion do. If one seeks Real Truth, one must correct the errors.

You are right again that one must be open minded. Truth will exist that one will not necessarily want to be true. If one is not open to truth we do not like, how can one really be seeking Real Truth?

What is the first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise? The first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise is that there is so much more to learn. If one claims to know it all, as I see it, they are furthest from being truly wise. Ego gets in the ways of so much learning.

You are right. Anyone who seeks Real Truth must question everything including long held beliefs. Sometimes just a little new information can change the view dramatically.

At one time, it was a fact that science said that the smallest part of an element was an atom. Later, it was discovered that was not true. Just a little new information revealed what we thought was a fact was not true at all.

Science corrects the errors. This is one thing I have yet to see religion do. If one seeks Real Truth, one must correct the errors.

You are right again that one must be open minded. Truth will exist that one will not necessarily want to be true. If one is not open to truth we do not like, how can one really be seeking Real Truth?

What is the first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise? The first thing a wise man learns once he truly becomes wise is that there is so much more to learn. If one claims to know it all, as I see it, they are furthest from being truly wise. Ego gets in the ways of so much learning.

Beautifully put. The more I read and converse with people the more I see my own ignorance and it makes me want to try and learn more.

With religion the problem has been lack of personal investigation of truth and reliance on priests and clergy. Because of illiteracy that was a major obstacle to people investigating reality indeoendently. But today, in this wonderful age we can question using google and get answers without being spoon fed. It's easier now to search for truth than it ever was.

I'm hoping that this will lead religions away from fanaticism and more towards unity with science.