How does one choose?

[Sleeppy]

Just as I thought. You can't explain.

According to you.

 

[Skwim]

According to you.

No, according to your lack of evidence. But I understand your predicament

and you have my sympathies.

 

[Sleeppy]

No, according to your lack of evidence. But I understand your predicament and you have my sympathies.

Matthew 7:6 Ye may not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned -- may rend you.

This is the only evidence I will give you.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Matthew 7:6 Ye may not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned -- may rend you.

This is the only evidence I will give you.

Roughly translated: "Insulting you is easier than evidence."

 

[Skwim]

Matthew 7:6 Ye may not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned -- may rend you.

This is the only evidence I will give you.

And the angels wept at his evidence


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Roughly translated: "Insulting you is easier than evidence."

Yes. I can see where painting one's self in a corner could be embarrassing.

 

[cablescavenger]

I hear people say that they don't need God to be moral.

My question then is how is a person to choose?

I suppose that a position could be taken that everything is moral. Then murder and rape and beastiality and torture are all fine and dandy.

One could look at things logically. For instance Jezebel had a logical solution for Ahab's desire for a man's land. Simply kill the man and take his land.

Can a person rely on laws or traditions?

There once was a law that stores couldn't open on Sunday now there is no such law. Evidently laws change according to what people wish them to be. It used to be that holidays were celebrated on the traditional day but now holidays are often selebrated on a convenient monday. Evidently traditions change as well.

If I was you I would wait until someone tells you what to do.

 

[Mister Emu]

Nothing? Not even his mother?

Jesus is eternally existent, just as the Father is...

"Before Abraham was, I am" and all of that.

Jesus did not incarnate before His mother, but incarnation is not the same thing as existence.

 

[Skwim]

Jesus is eternally existent, just as the Father is...

Ahhh, If Jesus was the son of god this then implies there was a time when Jesus was not around. A son cannot exist at all times contemporaneously with his father.

Jesus did not incarnate before His mother, but incarnation is not the same thing as existence.

Right. In this case it's the act of becoming flesh, at least according to the Christian theology I'm familiar with.

 

[Me Myself]

I hear people say that they don't need God to be moral.

My question then is how is a person to choose?

I suppose that a position could be taken that everything is moral. Then murder and rape and beastiality and torture are all fine and dandy.

One could look at things logically. For instance Jezebel had a logical solution for Ahab's desire for a man's land. Simply kill the man and take his land.

Can a person rely on laws or traditions?

There once was a law that stores couldn't open on Sunday now there is no such law. Evidently laws change according to what people wish them to be. It used to be that holidays were celebrated on the traditional day but now holidays are often selebrated on a convenient monday. Evidently traditions change as well.

Well, many different tribes and gatherings of humans have reached to the same conclusion of the golden rule:

Do to others as you would like done unto you. and Don´t do to others as you would not like done unto you.

Given that you would not think their religions are truthfull (because I thik you think only your religion is truthful correct me if I am wrong? ) then you would have to believe that somehow they did manage to create good morals by their own human understanding.

So, how do they do it?

Compassion and emphaty.

Try them, they give you more spirituality that a thousand prayers.

 

[waitasec]

I hear people say that they don't need God to be moral.

My question then is how is a person to choose?

I suppose that a position could be taken that everything is moral. Then murder and rape and beastiality and torture are all fine and dandy.

One could look at things logically. For instance Jezebel had a logical solution for Ahab's desire for a man's land. Simply kill the man and take his land.

Can a person rely on laws or traditions?

There once was a law that stores couldn't open on Sunday now there is no such law. Evidently laws change according to what people wish them to be. It used to be that holidays were celebrated on the traditional day but now holidays are often selebrated on a convenient monday. Evidently traditions change as well.

Can a molecule make us moral? - CNN.com

 

[Looncall]

Well, many different tribes and gatherings of humans have reached to the same conclusion of the golden rule:

Do to others as you would like done unto you. and Don´t do to others as you would not like done unto you.

Given that you would not think their religions are truthfull (because I thik you think only your religion is truthful correct me if I am wrong? ) then you would have to believe that somehow they did manage to create good morals by their own human understanding.

So, how do they do it?

Compassion and emphaty.

Try them, they give you more spirituality that a thousand prayers.

Congratulations on a very apt observation.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One could look at things logically. For instance Jezebel had a logical solution for Ahab's desire for a man's land. Simply kill the man and take his land.

Wasn't this God's solution for how the Israelites should deal with the Canaanites?

If so, then how are the God-believers more moral than everyone else?

 

[Muffled]

Wasn't this God's solution for how the Israelites should deal with the Canaanites?

If so, then how are the God-believers more moral than everyone else?

God does not specifically state that the elimination of Canaanites was requied for Israel to posess the land.

Since God is just, there is no doubt in my mind that God was eliminating evil. According to God that is a good thing to do.

In a modern example there was the elimination of Hitler, who no doubt practiced evil. There is the execution of murderers in some states in the USA.

 

[Muffled]

Let me turn this around: is belief in God the only thing that keeps you moral?

If so, then I'd say you're not really moral at all.

If not, then you already know the answer to your question.

I am not by nature a moral person. I have decided to do things God's way because I see that it is in my best interest to do so.

This is not a bad thing. I do not rob banks because I can see that criminals usually get caught and punished. I don't drink to excess because I can see that it reduces my ability to make rational decisions and can make me sick.

However the source for choosing that way is experience and wisdom. Sometimes learning by experience means that one suffers for having made a mistake. However if I have a reliable guide that tells me not to do foolish things, then I don't have to learn by making mistakes.

 

[Muffled]

Because morality is subjective rather than objective.

If morality is subjective then the murderer and rapist etc are moral.

 

[9Westy9]

If morality is subjective then the murderer and rapist etc are moral.

To some people

 

[Skwim]

If morality is subjective then the murderer and rapist etc are moral.

STOP IT! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If morality is subjective then the murderer and rapist etc are moral.

Saying something dumb doesn't make it any less dumb.

 

[idav]

If so, then how are the God-believers more moral than everyone else?

Becomes a debate on whose boss is more moral.

 

[9Westy9]

STOP IT! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!

Indeed. If morality is subjective then murder is no more moral (objectively) than altruism