Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Apparently, God.
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Koldo
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waitasec
Veteran Member
For some odd reason i can't read the part of your post where you support your claim.
you know what? i can't either...
Muffled
Jesus in me
No. However you evidently have a standard about this. What is the source of your standard?
Muffled
Jesus in me
By what criteria does one determine that there is a need for a moral code to say what I can do?
If there is no moral code I can do as I wish.
If there is a sign that says "keep off the grass," I have a moral code that tells me I shouldn't walk on the grass but if there is no sign then I don't need a sign saying that I can walk on the grass. I simply walk on the grass because I wish to do so.
Muffled
Jesus in me
For some odd reason i can't read the part of your post where you support your claim.
It was moot point for me. If God said it later in the Bible then earlier statements of the golden rule most probably came from God also.
no-body
Well-Known Member
Something is worth a lot more if you work it out for yourself rather than just blindly doing as you are told because of reward/punishment. The latter I find makes me people just behave when they are being watched.
It is called critical thinking skills and empathy by the way. Create an environment where it can grow and you don't need big poppa to tell you how to act.
It is called critical thinking skills and empathy by the way. Create an environment where it can grow and you don't need big poppa to tell you how to act.
waitasec
Veteran Member
then don't say it's okay to beat someone on the head if there is no criteria that allows for that to happen
that wasn't the point...you said it's ok...meaning the criteria has be set that it is allowable to beat someone on the head...
funny, there aren't people walking around with signs that say...don't hit me on the head... strange.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
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are you of the opinion that the israelites didn't know that killing and stealing were a wrong before the 10 commandments?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
The golden rule shows that a God isn't required for morality to exist.
Something similar to god, however, is (I think) required for objective morality.
Me Myself
Back to my username
A rational atheist would have to agree (because objective morality doesn´t exist)
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Expand on this.
How would a God ( or something similar to it ) enable the existence of objective morality?
Not really. Laws are objective morality. They don't change because one or a few people want them to.
Actually I'm not quite decided here. The philosophical/logical/theological arguments on either side make good points. What I do know is that if morality is based only on the opinion/view of humanity, then there is no "right or wrong" in an objective sense. The possibility of an objective sense arises in an entity/mind behind the universe which defines morality like gravity: one can act in ways which prevent the attraction between objects with mass, but it exists nonetheless.
However, there are plenty of good arguments which address whether or not (and to what extent) a "god" could somehow make morality objective.
Cute cartoon. Note the superiority of Jesus statement. The others speak in the negative, avoiding harming others or just wishing them well. Jesus statement, by contrast, emphasizes positive action, taking the initiative to do good to others. "All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and Prophets mean." (Matthew 7:12)
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
This is equally a negative, because we don't all want the same things.
waitasec
Veteran Member
actually the second most important commandment had to do with how one was to treat their fellow tribesman ....
love your enemies is a person with in your tribe, not a foriegn nation...consider numbers 31...
leviticus 18 starts out with:
Speak to the Israelites and say to them: I am the LORD your God.
consider who jesus was talking to when he talks about the 2nd greatest commandment
matthew 4: 25 Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis,[g] Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him.
luke 6:17
A large crowd of his disciples was there and a great number of people from all over Judea, from Jerusalem, and from the coastal region around Tyre and Sidon, 18 who had come to hear him and to be healed of their diseases. Those troubled by impure spirits were cured, 19 and the people all tried to touch him, because power was coming from him and healing them all.
mark 12:28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, Of all the commandments, which is the most important?
and here is the best example of the golden rule
matthew 15:23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.
24 He answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
25 The woman came and knelt before him. Lord, help me! she said.
26 He replied, It is not right to take the childrens bread and toss it to the dogs.
27 Yes it is, Lord, she said. Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters table.
28 Then Jesus said to her, Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted. And her daughter was healed at that moment.
so apparently if your enemy admits they're no better than dogs, then you can do good to them...
excellent....not.