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How does someone be spiritual without religion?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
:shrug:Don't just say meditate because that isn't really too spiritual to me.
Why is that the only thing we can think of?
I need spirituality to live but religions are stupid and science has no spirituality in it.
I am mostly Pantheist and I like Buddhism alot.
Buddhism doesn't really hold many grounds for proof in it though.
I'm not going to sit around all day chanting "Om Mane Padme Hum" because I don't speak that language and I don't know what it means.
Why chant spells to remove bad Karma?
It is very silly and definately doesn't work.
I know about Naturalistic Pantheism but that isn't very spiritual either.
I just wish I could be Christian again.
That was the only time I've ever been happy.
I can't force myself to believe something I know is false though.
I really wish I could.
This is getting much too old.
I really think there are no answers on this stupid planet and that makes me think I don't have too much more time here.
I have studied nearly every religion to no end in the past few years as well as many sciences.
I have always lost more than I have gained. Knowledge is poison. Ignorance, bliss.
I don't know why but I really can't be here without any answers.
I need to know who god is and what is right.
I don't care what music bee'd hot all up in here or anything like that, I am very strange for a 19 year old.
I only care about answers!
My friends are always about being silly and focusing on things that don't matter whatsoever and they get angry when I talk about things that do matter.
I grow weaker every day as I search for answers.
We should all just quit joking around pretending we think we are right and just leave.:(
I really can't do this much longer.
I am a kind and selfless Martyr that needs answers.
I hate everything.
How do any of you waste time not thinking about things tha matter?
Anyone else ready to go?
:(

You don't need to search for all the answers because you actually live all the answers outright. Every single one of them in fact, so theres nothing to search for. Listen to some tunes and chill cause your already at the mother-lode of every answer there is. Enjoy yourself, cause spirituality is you.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I talk to God (prayer, I guess) all the time. I do it without bowing, folding my hands, etc. (I do regular prayer, too, though). Does that count as spiritual for you? (It does for me).
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
If spirit is real then we're all spiritual whether we want to be or not.
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
:shrug:Don't just say meditate because that isn't really too spiritual to me.
Why is that the only thing we can think of?
I need spirituality to live but religions are stupid and science has no spirituality in it.
I am mostly Pantheist and I like Buddhism alot.
Buddhism doesn't really hold many grounds for proof in it though.
I'm not going to sit around all day chanting "Om Mane Padme Hum" because I don't speak that language and I don't know what it means.
Why chant spells to remove bad Karma?
It is very silly and definately doesn't work.
I know about Naturalistic Pantheism but that isn't very spiritual either.
I just wish I could be Christian again.
That was the only time I've ever been happy.
I can't force myself to believe something I know is false though.
I really wish I could.
This is getting much too old.
I really think there are no answers on this stupid planet and that makes me think I don't have too much more time here.
I have studied nearly every religion to no end in the past few years as well as many sciences.
I have always lost more than I have gained. Knowledge is poison. Ignorance, bliss.
I don't know why but I really can't be here without any answers.
I need to know who god is and what is right.
I don't care what music bee'd hot all up in here or anything like that, I am very strange for a 19 year old.
I only care about answers!
My friends are always about being silly and focusing on things that don't matter whatsoever and they get angry when I talk about things that do matter.
I grow weaker every day as I search for answers.
We should all just quit joking around pretending we think we are right and just leave.:(
I really can't do this much longer.
I am a kind and selfless Martyr that needs answers.
I hate everything.
How do any of you waste time not thinking about things tha matter?
Anyone else ready to go?
:(

Don't ever think you are alone. God is with you my friend. He is your nearest and dearest friend. Without him you wouldn't exist, breathe, have friends, or loved ones. See everyone as expressions of him. Pray to him and ask him to bring you a path you need.

To be spiritual is to love God and everyone as God. God is spirit and since everyone exists in that spirit then we are all in essence spiritual. I use the road to God as an analogy of everyone on a train to God. We are all going to get there eventually, some are in the front and some in the back but in reality we all get there at the same time.

I agree with Luis Dantes. You should look to Yoga, whether it be Karma Yoga with meditation or Bhakti Yoga with meditation. I know Kriya Yoga works for everyone that uses it and it has created such a divine connection with God for me that I wish I could share it with you and everyone. My suggestion is to try what seems to ring true in your heart. If you don't know where to start, then pray to God. If you want to know more about Yoga or how to develop a sincere and deep blissful connection with God then I can try to guide you in the right direction. Remember you are not alone, and I am in the same boat. God loves you and so do all the great saints that know him. Thinking and living idoly is a waste of time, so you are doing the right thing by looking for more.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
:shrug:Don't just say meditate because that isn't really too spiritual to me.
Why is that the only thing we can think of?
I need spirituality to live but religions are stupid and science has no spirituality in it.
I am mostly Pantheist and I like Buddhism alot.
Buddhism doesn't really hold many grounds for proof in it though.
I'm not going to sit around all day chanting "Om Mane Padme Hum" because I don't speak that language and I don't know what it means.
Why chant spells to remove bad Karma?
It is very silly and definately doesn't work.
I know about Naturalistic Pantheism but that isn't very spiritual either.
I just wish I could be Christian again.
That was the only time I've ever been happy.
I can't force myself to believe something I know is false though.
I really wish I could.
This is getting much too old.
I really think there are no answers on this stupid planet and that makes me think I don't have too much more time here.
I have studied nearly every religion to no end in the past few years as well as many sciences.
I have always lost more than I have gained. Knowledge is poison. Ignorance, bliss.
I don't know why but I really can't be here without any answers.
I need to know who god is and what is right.
I don't care what music bee'd hot all up in here or anything like that, I am very strange for a 19 year old.
I only care about answers!
My friends are always about being silly and focusing on things that don't matter whatsoever and they get angry when I talk about things that do matter.
I grow weaker every day as I search for answers.
We should all just quit joking around pretending we think we are right and just leave.:(
I really can't do this much longer.
I am a kind and selfless Martyr that needs answers.
I hate everything.
How do any of you waste time not thinking about things tha matter?
Anyone else ready to go?
:(

I see you've reached a point of frustration.

First....take a deep breath...and relax.

Then do as I did.

Decide for yourself...what you will believe in.

Make no unnecessary assumptions...be self disciplined.

And be patient with yourself...discovery of belief takes time.
If your fellowman seems silly to you...don't say so.
Quietly smile and go your own way.

I see also a tendency to be solitary.
That's okay.

I'm a rogue theologian.
I follow no one.
I believe in God...and the Carpenter.

But I'm not like anyone else...really.
And that's okay.
 

Tathagata

Freethinker
I am mostly Pantheist and I like Buddhism alot.

Given your later statements, I have serious doubts as to whether you've looked into Buddhism at all.

Buddhism doesn't really hold many grounds for proof in it though.

Is that so? What particular Buddhist beliefs do you think lack "grounds for proof"?

Have you read the Kalama Sutta or the Lankavatara Sutra? Read those before you make such a claim.

I'm not going to sit around all day chanting "Om Mane Padme Hum" because I don't speak that language and I don't know what it means.

That's not what Buddhism is about, though one may find it beneficial to do so.

Why chant spells to remove bad Karma?

This has nothing to do with Buddhism. There are no "spells" in Buddhism, nor is removing "bad karma" a goal in Buddhism.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
You probably can learn it from Jesus, although I am fairly spiritual without Jesus.

~

I believe in some form of higher power, but not a God and I don't do anything that would be labelled as 'religious'.

I see it as being in touch with who you are, being aware of your essence. I think people can achieve that through mediation, yoga, prayer, but those acts is not what makes someone spiritual.

i agree.

Jesus is a good example of how one can be spiritual but not religious. A religious person does things out of obligation or because it is required of them by whatever creed they follow.

A spiritual person does things because they are motivated from within.... this mean they can go over and beyond what is required of them.
I always think of Jesus parable of the 'Good Samaritan' ... the most religious people walked past the injured man in need, but the least religious man was moved with pity and went out of his way to help him.
 

EverChanging

Well-Known Member
Don't just say meditate because that isn't really too spiritual to me.
Why is that the only thing we can think of?

Perhaps you should be less concerned with what is "spiritual" and more concerned with practices that might benefit you. Meditation, prayer, ritual, and other practices associated with religious traditions can be helpful in benefiting you, although ultimately, when one enters deeply into these practices, one goes beyond the desire to benefit, which is merely an attachment. Detachment as practiced in Buddhism and other spiritual traditions does have benefits, but that is not the goal.

I need spirituality to live but religions are stupid and science has no spirituality in it.
I am mostly Pantheist and I like Buddhism alot.

You should really be more familiar with religions before dismissing them as stupid. I'm not saying religious organizations and so-called religious leaders and lay people aren't corrupt and often very stupid, but the world religions have all produced ingenious people and spiritual disciplines that help transform a person. Transformation, death and rebirth -- these are common themes in many religious traditions, including Buddhism, and I'm not talking about reincarnation in the traditional sense; it has more to do with our everchanging egos, our sense of self.

Buddhism doesn't really hold many grounds for proof in it though.

You don't need proof to apply the disciplines of mindfulness and meditation. As an introspective person, you should explore these practices. You can never know if a practice will work unless you actually put it into practice with discipline. Meditation and mindfulness eventually calm the mind to help one peer more deeply into the nature of mind and thought, though I would recommend reading about meditation before trying it. There are both possible risks and benefits.

I'm not going to sit around all day chanting "Om Mane Padme Hum" because I don't speak that language and I don't know what it means.

You don't have to do this to be Buddhist. Actually, various methods of prayer and meditation exist in Buddhism and in all of the world religions, including Christianity. Many Christian mystics and saints and writings such as The Cloud of Unknowing exhibit strong parallels with Buddhist teachings.

Why chant spells to remove bad Karma?

Depends on who you're asking. The core of Buddhism, the teachings passed down from Siddhartha Gautama, has nothing to do spells or bad karma in the sense of a reincarnating ego, and not all Buddhists believe in traditional reincarnation.

I know about Naturalistic Pantheism but that isn't very spiritual either.

Why? Because it doesn't involve magic or the supernatural? What is spiritual about magic or supernatural beliefs anyway? Spirituality in the way I practice it has nothing to do with these things.

I just wish I could be Christian again. That was the only time I've ever been happy.

You can be, but you will probably need to study Christian history and theology more, especially the saints and mystics. The mystics often strongly parallel Buddhist teachings. The journey of mysticism -- into God, if you will -- is not about knowing or answers. It's about mystery and ineffability. You should search for answers -- I do. But you must be willing to ultimately let all of those answers go, let them dissolve into nothing because nothing is all we really know.

I can't force myself to believe something I know is false though.

Well, that's your problem. Not forcing yourself to believe something that is false -- you should use your intellect. But a spiritual discipline, a practice, is just that -- a practice, and all theology and mythology should translate into a practice, a way of living, transformation.

Traditional trinitarian Christianity is founded upon certain teachings, called Dogmas, especially the Nicene Creed. But dogmas are mysteries that can never be known or adequately expressed. Doctrine is an attempt to do this, but ultimately they break down. Dogmas are not teachings that we know. They are a frail attempt, a language, pointing to what we do not know, can never know, and can never express.

If you want to be a Christian -- and you wouldn't necessarily have to be a trinitarian -- it is important to realize this. Even the conservative Roman Catholic Church acknowledges that dogmas are ultimately mystery, and the saints and mystics attest to this, ancient and modern. If you approach Christianity from this angle, the problem of "true" and "false" disappears. You are thinking in a modern, Western, analytical mindset. Spiritual disciplines aren't so much about thinking as being.

I really wish I could.
This is getting much too old.
I really think there are no answers on this stupid planet and that makes me think I don't have too much more time here.

Look for answers, but never get attached to them. They will flow away and disappear like everything else. Hanging on to answers for security or defense -- all of this is a painful attachment, needless suffering, clinging after a solid, permanent ego and worldview. The fact is, your perceptions will always change, as long as you have them.

I have studied nearly every religion to no end in the past few years as well as many sciences.
I have always lost more than I have gained. Knowledge is poison. Ignorance, bliss.

You may have studied much, but there is no possible way you could ever cover all world religions in depth in only a few years, or the sciences. You would do well studying one for a lifetime.

I can relate to knowledge feeling like poison. It can be very threatening to have your beliefs challenged. They are, after all, a part of what we think of as ourselves, especially if we grew up with religious beliefs. But you must let these go because your worldview and beliefs will never be stable. They will always change. Some opinions may remain stable, but others will be overturned, others deepened, fleshed out. This is simply the nature of ego. It is a changing phenomenon. Clinging to answers will only bring you pain because all answers ultimately slip away.

While learning and having your beliefs evolve can be painful, it might also help you in the end, as it did me. When the answers you're finding are painful, detach and accept them for what they are, and acknowledge that answers are ultimately finite and cannot truly encompass reality.
 

EverChanging

Well-Known Member
I need to know who god is and what is right.

That doesn't mean you can't try a discipline like meditation or prayer. It is not about intellect and being right. That is ego. That is clinging and attachment, clinging after the "right" answer -- "I am right, and you are wrong." Spiritual disciplines like meditation will, in part, help train you in thought-stopping techniques.

If you search for answers, you must be prepared to let them go. You will do this whether or not you want to, as I'm sure you have already experienced in concluding that Christianity is false rather than true.

My friends are always about being silly and focusing on things that don't matter whatsoever and they get angry when I talk about things that do matter.

Things that matter to whom? Yourself? There is no evidence, ultimately, that anything we say or do matters at all, and that's okay.

I grow weaker every day as I search for answers.

Then perhaps take a break from "answers."

We should all just quit joking around pretending we think we are right and just leave.

That's a good start.

I really can't do this much longer.

Then you must calm your racing and frantic mind and sit in stillness. You might be surprised how much mental energy and stress mindfulness can spare you.

I am a kind and selfless Martyr that needs answers.
I hate everything.
How do any of you waste time not thinking about things tha matter?
Anyone else ready to go?

You are a kind and selfless martyr, and yet you need answers? And you hate everything? If you are selfless, then why do you need answers? If you are truly selfless, how could you hate anything at all? Without a self, there is no need to hate, as there is no need to defend yourself. There is no need to be right or to have the answers. And there is no need to accuse anyone else of "not thinking about things that matter" or to even assume that what you think does matter.

I am sure you can be very kind, and maybe you are, each and every day. Develop that kindness. The spiritual discipline of meditation, of letting go, of ceasing to cling to attachment, ego, being "right" or having answers -- will make you even more kind, not only to others, but to your perceived "self."

If you are truly a pantheist, you must seek the Divine, the Unutterable, the Mystery, the Nothing, Nirvana -- everywhere, in everything, in every person, every being, every blade of grass, in pleasure, in pain, in birth, and the decay of death. When someone lets go of the self, the ego, to experience transcendence, there is no more room for fear or judgment of others because they are you, and you are them.

Suicide might seem like a great escape, but if you are selfless, there is no self to kill, no reason to kill self, no reason to hate anything. "You" can die and live right here, right now, and you do even now, but to be aware of this takes practice and discipline. Sometimes it takes going beyond the self to love the seeming self. In these moments, you are everything, and everything is beautiful, even suffering, even your own suffering.

You do not matter, my friend, and nor do I. Have mercy on yourself. Forgive yourself and others. If you do not, you will always cling to self and increase suffering.

I wish you peace on your journey. Message me any time. I'm always happy to talk about religion and spiritual discipline.
 

IAMDONE

Member
what was it about christianity that turned you on? was it about helping others? i believe it's when we open the channel of empathy is when we feel the most spiritual because of the connection made is on a whole different level.


I'm not really sure what made it the best religion for me.
Everything I suppose.
Also, because the words came from god or Jesus it was easier, I was more able to force myself to believe and purify my entire existence.
I couldn't explain how I felt if I wanted too it was waaay more than just feeling god in me and being happy because of that.
I guess I could say that time froze and I/compassion/Love was able to work in frozen time in a state of bliss doing good or increasing my godliness and eventually without thinking anything at all.
Everything I knew was sooo much fact that I no longer thought.
Everything just happened.
I was waaay more aware than I had ever been, ever.
I thought lots and lots of things in the blink of an eye without ever thinking, so I was always able to react to any given situation in a way that would increase my love and make everyone happier and more compassionate.
I saw the world in very different perspectives.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I'm not really sure what made it the best religion for me.
Everything I suppose.
Also, because the words came from god or Jesus it was easier, I was more able to force myself to believe and purify my entire existence.
I couldn't explain how I felt if I wanted too it was waaay more than just feeling god in me and being happy because of that.
I guess I could say that time froze and I/compassion/Love was able to work in frozen time in a state of bliss doing good or increasing my godliness and eventually without thinking anything at all.
Everything I knew was sooo much fact that I no longer thought.
Everything just happened.
I was waaay more aware than I had ever been, ever.
I thought lots and lots of things in the blink of an eye without ever thinking, so I was always able to react to any given situation in a way that would increase my love and make everyone happier and more compassionate.
I saw the world in very different perspectives.

I would like to be gentle....but....
It seems you were under the influence of a programmed state of mine.

Somehow...you lost it.

Just as well.

Now do the good things you once did...because you think you should...
or because you feel like it.
 

IAMDONE

Member
:candle:
That doesn't mean you can't try a discipline like meditation or prayer. It is not about intellect and being right. That is ego. That is clinging and attachment, clinging after the "right" answer -- "I am right, and you are wrong." Spiritual disciplines like meditation will, in part, help train you in thought-stopping techniques.

If you search for answers, you must be prepared to let them go. You will do this whether or not you want to, as I'm sure you have already experienced in concluding that Christianity is false rather than true.



Things that matter to whom? Yourself? There is no evidence, ultimately, that anything we say or do matters at all, and that's okay.



Then perhaps take a break from "answers."



That's a good start.



Then you must calm your racing and frantic mind and sit in stillness. You might be surprised how much mental energy and stress mindfulness can spare you.



You are a kind and selfless martyr, and yet you need answers? And you hate everything? If you are selfless, then why do you need answers? If you are truly selfless, how could you hate anything at all? Without a self, there is no need to hate, as there is no need to defend yourself. There is no need to be right or to have the answers. And there is no need to accuse anyone else of "not thinking about things that matter" or to even assume that what you think does matter.

I am sure you can be very kind, and maybe you are, each and every day. Develop that kindness. The spiritual discipline of meditation, of letting go, of ceasing to cling to attachment, ego, being "right" or having answers -- will make you even more kind, not only to others, but to your perceived "self."

If you are truly a pantheist, you must seek the Divine, the Unutterable, the Mystery, the Nothing, Nirvana -- everywhere, in everything, in every person, every being, every blade of grass, in pleasure, in pain, in birth, and the decay of death. When someone lets go of the self, the ego, to experience transcendence, there is no more room for fear or judgment of others because they are you, and you are them.

Suicide might seem like a great escape, but if you are selfless, there is no self to kill, no reason to kill self, no reason to hate anything. "You" can die and live right here, right now, and you do even now, but to be aware of this takes practice and discipline. Sometimes it takes going beyond the self to love the seeming self. In these moments, you are everything, and everything is beautiful, even suffering, even your own suffering.

You do not matter, my friend, and nor do I. Have mercy on yourself. Forgive yourself and others. If you do not, you will always cling to self and increase suffering.

I wish you peace on your journey. Message me any time. I'm always happy to talk about religion and spiritual discipline.


I have meditated and prayed...I still do meditate, mindfulness and Zazen.
Those don't do too much. Also, I think mindfulness is best when not made into a "practice" when someone does good they become more aware or mindful and I think that making it a math problem screws the entire thing up.
I don't care who is right or wrong. I care about being spiritual!
Some people hold answers forever, I would call them ignorant/arrogant/enlightened.
It was obvious that i was talking about pondering god or existence or...things that matter...And yes, I already know that there is no way to know that anything we do matters.
I bet it doesn't...
Okay, smarty pants...I'll take a break from searching for "answers" but I cannot take a break from searching...
Yes, Leaving is a good start..Or end.
I always sit in stillness sir. I know what mindfulness is........
I hate because selfless people feel pain too..So do Martyrs.
This world is **** and humans are cruel, I already know that hating them hurts me instead of them but I don't want to hurt them and I don't want to hate them either. There is just too much BS and my mind has not been able to illuminate itself much.
And the rest of that statement I don't even want to respond to, languages are pointless, I speak and you decide what it means, not what it really does mean just as vise versa.
I have developed that kindness but I can't again because I need real answers to real questions. I need something to follow or I die. I am dead now and have been for the past few years. Spirituality is the only thing that has EVER really mattered to me. I could never stand this worthless planet, I need an escape while I am here, drugs are stupid they blind us and block the pain for a little second.=Spirituality is and must be the answer.Aaand the rest of that statement wasn't totally true so no response...
Believe me...I do seek Nirbbana everywhere and in all things sir...
Suicide doesn't "seem like a great escape" suicide seems like I am fkn ****** and don't want to exist but I don't think I could ever kill myself because I would rather attain enlightenment which is the reason for my suicidalness which is a paradox.....
Actually, knowing that I and those around me matter can and has been very spiritual and did remove suffering.................
I think we share like ideas.
 

IAMDONE

Member
I would like to be gentle....but....
It seems you were under the influence of a programmed state of mine.

Somehow...you lost it.

Just as well.

Now do the good things you once did...because you think you should...
or because you feel like it.

programmed state of mind?
 

IAMDONE

Member
If spirit is real then we're all spiritual whether we want to be or not.

It is seemingly obvious to me that we have evolved our minds for spirituality and our Primordal selves weren't spiritual.
We must choose to increase spirituality.
I don't know if the spirit is real but I know that the mind is.
I doubt you really believe that Jesus was as spiritual as you or me...
 

IAMDONE

Member
I see you've reached a point of frustration.

First....take a deep breath...and relax.

Then do as I did.

Make no unnecessary assumptions...be self disciplined.

And be patient with yourself...discovery of belief takes time.
If your fellowman seems silly to you...don't say so.
Quietly smile and go your own way.

I see also a tendency to be solitary.
That's okay.

I'm a rogue theologian.
I follow no one.
I believe in God...and the Carpenter.

But I'm not like anyone else...really.
And that's okay.


I already do aaall of those things buddy.....:facepalm:
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Humanity does seem terrible... if you're only source of information on it is the news. That's the reason why I stopped watching it; my personal experience clashes with what I see there. (Besides, I'm sick of propaganda, which is pretty much all it is these days.)

After all, there's Amma: a woman who doesn't have a private life of her own; she spends all her time and all the money that gets donated to her organization helping people, such as opening free schools and hospitals for those who would otherwise not be able to afford them.

About a year ago, Spider Man foiled a robbery of an expensive X-Man comic. ^_^ (Okay, it was a guy cosplaying as Spidey, but... it still counts!) At about the same time, a group of ninja students chased off a couple of muggers; one of them at least was caught then and there; not sure what happened to the one who got away.

And, of course, since it's the Holidays, let nobody forget those troops in the first World War who, for the sake of Christmas, put down their guns, came out of their trenches, and befriended each other.

It's little things like this give me renewed hope for humanity.
 
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