How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

[TagliatelliMonster]

Full skeletons (not like Lucy, only 40%) or just another bunch of deformed bones that could be put together as fabricated ‘evidence’.

IOW: any and all evidence you feel contradicts your a priori faith based dogmatic beliefs, is considered "fabricated" by default. Regardless of what it is. Just the fact that it contradicts your fundamentalist beliefs, is enough for you to dismiss it as "fabricated".

It's the epitome of intellectual dishonesty

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You have arrived at that conclusion by looking at changes in genes retrospectively. You haven’t proved your tree of life or disproved creation in the slightest.

Again, you're just saying words without substance.

We look at the genome, then we compare the genomes of all living things, then we observe the changes in living populations, then we check the fossil record.

All of these things point to common ancestry. The conclusion was not assumed before the observation. The conclusion is a RESULT of the observation.

You have said nothing that contradicts that. You have not provided a single shred of evidence, not a single paper, not even demonstrated a basic grasp of what evolutionary theory claims.

You are bearing false witness.

And you're wasting our time.

 

[Apostle John]

When Boeing uses genetic algorithms to optimize sub-systems in their aircraft, they get better results then when the brightest human engineers do it. And those algorithms work in the exact same way.

I see you’ve repeated this which must make you think it is important. I suspect it is a load of inconsequential nonsense not related to ToE. Genetics hasn’t proven ToE, it has all been retrospection and a lot of assumption.

I laughed at your signature: "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal." ~Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Have you managed to get that other Richard Dawkins Award recipient on here to push your project? Where’s Eugenie Scott? It’s been comedic so far. Who is up for the 2023 handout?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Full skeletons (not like Lucy, only 40%) or just another bunch of deformed bones that could be put together as fabricated ‘evidence’.

Once again,. you've failed to answer my question.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I see you’ve repeated this which must make you think it is important. I suspect it is a load of inconsequential nonsense not related to ToE. Genetics hasn’t proven ToE, it has all been retrospection and a lot of assumption.

I laughed at your signature: "Reality is not what you perceive it to be. Instead, it's what the tools and methods of science reveal." ~Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Have you managed to get that other Richard Dawkins Award recipient on here to push your project? Where’s Eugenie Scott? It’s been comedic so far. Who is up for the 2023 handout?

When you've got something of some actual substance to say, please let us know.

You're just wasting everyone's time here, as it is.

 

[Apostle John]

Again, you're just saying words without substance.

We look at the genome, then we compare the genomes of all living things, then we observe the changes in living populations, then we check the fossil record.

All of these things point to common ancestry. The conclusion was not assumed before the observation. The conclusion is a RESULT of the observation.

You have said nothing that contradicts that. You have not provided a single shred of evidence, not a single paper, not even demonstrated a basic grasp of what evolutionary theory claims.

You are bearing false witness.

And you're wasting our time.

Then you check it against the jumbled up fossil record with no genetic material unless they have soft tissue from 65 million years ago. Is this a new stand up comedy routine?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Then you check it against the jumbled up fossil record with no genetic material unless they have soft tissue from 65 million years ago. Is this a new stand up comedy routine?

I see you continue to reject and present nothing.

You're done. You don't even know the first thing about evolution, much less have the capacity to debate it.

Give me one good reason not to put you on ignore.

 

[Apostle John]

I see you continue to reject and present nothing.

You're done. You don't even know the first thing about evolution, much less have the capacity to debate it.

Give me one good reason not to put you on ignore.

I will, and should ignore you first at this rate but either way it won’t affect the outcome I believe in. Your time is shorter than Satan.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I will, and should ignore you first at this rate but either way it won’t affect the outcome I believe in. Your time is shorter than Satan.

You bear false witness, and you're wasting people's time.

/ignore

 

[ratiocinator]

Your time is shorter than Satan.

Te he. If I were inclined to believe in god and satan, I think there would be little doubt who you serve. The endless attempts to deceive, the blatant dishonesty, the claims that make god out to be a liar...

 

[Apostle John]

Te he. If I were inclined to believe in god and satan, I think there would be little doubt who you serve. The endless attempts to deceive, the blatant dishonesty, the claims that make god out to be a liar...

Oh dear you’re back to talking about God again like a believer. I think you need reinforcements, quick, go ask Richard who the 2023 recipient will be.

 

[ratiocinator]

Oh dear you’re back to talking about God again like a believer.

So it's not just evolution that you know nothing about. Reading English for comprehension not so great either.

I think you need reinforcements, quick, go ask Richard who the 2023 recipient will be.

Oh and I forgot the silly insults too.

 

[Muffled]

Evolution is a demonstrable fact of reality.

Adam and Eve is a story in an old book. You claim that it's "truth" and that it "agrees with science at least as far as we know it." What science are you referring to?

I believe you are daft if you think you can come anywhere near demonstrating evolution.

I believe The Book is the Word of God which is far better than any other source. I am talking about cloning. How else do you think you can get a person from a rib?

 

[Muffled]

LMAO! Why on Earth is it unrealistic to demand evidence? By your poor standards a belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as valid as your personal religious beliefs. Evidence allows us to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

I believe it is evident that it isn't working for you.

 

[Muffled]

I believe that Adam and Eve were celestial beings who took on the human form based on a technique far beyond our understanding. They arrived on a previously populated, evolved earth. They were to replace the previous fallen administration. Marooned by their own default (although repenting and salvaging what they could) they eventually died of old age having lost the use of the "tree of life" due to sin.

I believe I have seen no text to that affect. Did you make it up?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe it is evident that it isn't working for you.

That is because the claim "it is evident" means that there is evidence for a belief. If no evidence can be presented then it is obviously not "evident".

It is evident that the word was made by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Evidence? Little people.

 

[Colt]

I believe I have seen no text to that affect. Did you make it up?

Adam and Eve "suddenly appear" in ancient history as 2 full grown educated adults.
They had been educated in what Gods will was for them on earth.
The previously fallen "crafty beast" or devil or Satan speaks their language, he knows what they were taught.
Eve and then Adam sinned, lost the use of the tree of life. They eventually die.
Cain fears the outside world becuse its already populated.

Each time the Israelites rewrote the story they left little hints about what was there previously.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe you are daft if you think you can come anywhere near demonstrating evolution.

I believe The Book is the Word of God which is far better than any other source. I am talking about cloning. How else do you think you can get a person from a rib?

Evolution has been demonstrated. Your inability to understand it does not mean that others have nor fulfilled their burden of proof.

You probably do not. In the exact same way the differences between offspring and their parents is evidence for evolution. Those examples are only a small part of the evidence for both. But dropping something does not even begin to explain Newtonian gravity much less General Relativity. In the same way the differences between parents and their offspring does not even explain speciation. To "demonstrate" evolution one needs to look more deeply into all of the evidence. If you refuse to learn what evidence is and how it works no one will be able to demonstrate it to you, but that would be your fault. Not theirs.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe you are daft if you think you can come anywhere near demonstrating evolution.

It's been demonstrated by multiple independent groups of scientists across multiple independent fields of science over the last 160+ years. It's the most well-evidenced scientific theory in existence. Evolution is the backbone of biology.
How did you miss all that?

I believe The Book is the Word of God which is far better than any other source. I am talking about cloning. How else do you think you can get a person from a rib?

 

[ratiocinator]

I believe you are daft if you think you can come anywhere near demonstrating evolution.

This is just sad ignorance. Evolution has been demonstrated and the evidence that it has produced the variety of life we see today is beyond sane doubt. It's so sad that religion has such a history of suppressing knowledge and spreading ignorance and that it continues even now in the 21st century.

I believe The Book is the Word of God which is far better than any other source.

A joke?

I am talking about cloning. How else do you think you can get a person from a rib?

So when you said the Adam and Eve myth "agrees with science at least as far as we know it", you were begging the question.