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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

It Aint Necessarily So

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What is the ‘obvious vested interest’ of Bible believers
They're trying to get into heaven. Also, many earn a living from religion.
Aside of that there’s also been a lot of dishonesty exposed with supposed fossil finds trying to prove ToE.
That's obviously not a dealbreaker for you. You're a Christian. Fraud and hypocrisy are rife in the church.
Knowledgeable Bible believers know that unbelievers and scoffers will increase in the end times
Everybody knows that Christianity is atrophying away in the West. You don't need a Bible for that. And knowledgeable people know to disregard unfalsifiable religious pronouncements about end times, which are famously wrong.
No one knows how evolution works.
You don't. I do.
They say mutations are random and something about the environment ‘drives’ changes by way of survival and reproduction. Not a very exact science.
Did you mean compared to creationism?
How is the level of homosexuality particularly in the humans tie in with ‘fitness’.
Let me Google that for you:
You have shunned God at best.
If any gods exist aware of our existence and capable of contacting us, they have shunned man.
You have no idea the real reason why you have been brainwashed with the concept of humans coming from apes.
She's educated. You're brainwashed. They're very different. She learned evolution by being shown the evidence Darwin had and how he came to his conclusions using it, and what subsequent evidence confirms them. This is how one learns critical thinking as well as the facts of the theory of evolution. This is different from indoctrination, which is just repetition without evidence, and unlike with the evolution professor who doesn't care if you believe it, the creationism "teacher" is very much interested in whether you believe or not, and will chastise those who don't.
You won’t be convinced by another human of believing in anything else with that level of brainwashing.
You won't convince a critical thinker of anything with insufficiently evidenced claims. If his brain has been washed, it's been washed of gullibility and the willingness to believe by faith.
So Theory of evolution has jumped to factual status now.
The theory is correct beyond reasonable doubt. It's considered settled science by the scientific community.
I’d have to see evidence
Not credible. This is you paying homage to critical thinking and empiricism, things you have never had enough interest in to discover what they are and what they can do, and not how you decide what is true about the world. It's analogous to hypocrisy, where one lacking moral fiber gives homage to moral behavior even as he does the opposite.
haven’t called anyone nasty names
I read "atheist liars" from you recently. But don't worry. I doubt anybody was offended by your opinion.
Lucy is what I call fabricated evidence.
How do you think they fabricated her? 3D printer?
“About 90 percent of DNA is thought to be non-functional, and mutations there generally have no effect."
The number is unimportant - 9% or 90%. If even 3% of the DNA is "junk" DNA, the implications are devastating for biblical creationism and intelligent design. In evolutionary theory, it's predicted. There is no mechanism for culling such genes if they don't manifest phenotypically and confer some competitive disadvantage. But why is nonfunctional there in the DNA you believe your god put there?
0.001%, as guessed by the the source above is very relevant showing your beliefs to be absolutely absurd.
I didn't see anybody else comment on this, but 999/1000 is not 0.001%.
macroevolution has never been observed
What's your larger point? That that means that it didn't or couldn't have happened? If so, that would be incorrect. Pluto has never been observed to complete an orbit around the sun. Do you think that means it cannot or has not occurred?

And once again, why would that matter to a creationist? Nothing he believes happened has ever been observed. Neither you nor he ever observed a universe created, a planet created, or kinds created. Your special pleading (unjustified double standard) is ineffective.

You haven’t shown anything factual that shows the ToE to be correct
The theory is correct, and nobody need show people evidence to people who don't use it to decide what is true about the world nor know how to evaluate it or any attendant argument. Nor should they expect the creationist to look at the evidence if they do. I don't need to ask whether you looked at any of the links I Googled for you. Why would you? You don't care what they say.
You haven’t proved your tree of life or disproved creation in the slightest.
Nor need he. Do you think otherwise? The theory is correct beyond reasonable doubt, and divine creationism, which is an unfalsifiable claim, is also unevidenced, so what's to disprove? Such claims can be disregarded without rebuttal (Hitchen's Razor, Sagan' Razor).
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
It's been demonstrated by multiple independent groups of scientists across multiple independent fields of science over the last 160+ years. It's the most well-evidenced scientific theory in existence. Evolution is the backbone of biology.
How did you miss all that?
That’s just collusion helping spread a lie. Some aspects of evolution like mutations and observed changes within a species are indeed fact but that does not prove other theory and importantly confirm the made up evolutionary tree of life by arranging random fossils found in the ground into a line. That is just circular reasoning. ToE is all one big wonderful lie.

DNA structures are made up of billions of elements from the periodic table, they do not have the ability to make themselves from scratch, arranging themselves into these giant structures. Importantly they have no consciousness, no atom or molecule does. It all points to design and a designer.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Why isn’t that an example of ‘begging the question’.
:facepalm: So, we can add logic and fallacies to the ever growing list of things you are clueless about.

No, other finds have been proven hoaxes in this field. It is easy to find bones in many digs and come up with a ‘being’ in skeletal form.
You really don't understand how absurd this is and how desperate it makes you look, do you?

You are a false witness and clueless a waste of time.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Everybody knows that Christianity is atrophying away in the West. You don't need a Bible for that. And knowledgeable people know to disregard unfalsifiable religious pronouncements about end times, which are famously wrong.
You obviously ignore the build up of faith in the Bible, required before the Bible predicted there would be a falling away from the faith. Impressive after 2000 years which was also predicted but I will leave you in the dark about that.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
You don't. I do.
You want to believe something with an accumulation of collusion and false evidence. What is ‘survival’, where does that come from. What about ‘fittest’, what is that if not observing these phenomena without explaining. I would require these terms explaining and not someone saying “oh they just happen”.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
You want to believe something with an accumulation of collusion and false evidence. What is ‘survival’, where does that come from. What about ‘fittest’, what is that if not observing these phenomena without explaining. I would require these terms explaining and not someone saying “oh they just happen”.

There is no survival of the fittest organism in the ToE. Start there. It is the replication of the fittest genes.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
This sentence doesn't make any sense to me.

Scientists haven't fabricated over 300 different specimens. Sorry.
They have found bones that’s all, they want them to be the right age and if they are being truthful with the find, they guess the age and asked someone else to date the rocks, using a falsifiable method, where the bones were supposedly found, all collusion.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You want to believe something with an accumulation of collusion and false evidence. What is ‘survival’, where does that come from. What about ‘fittest’, what is that if not observing these phenomena without explaining. I would require these terms explaining and not someone saying “oh they just happen”.
Go enroll in some science courses. Start with the basics and work your way up.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
They have found bones that’s all, they want them to be the right age and if they are being truthful with the find, they guess the age and asked someone else to date the rocks, using a falsifiable method, where the bones were supposedly found, all collusion.
I forgot to mention, a lot of data that doesn’t fit with the theory gets thrown out and discarded ;).
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
There is no such thing, that’s a term attributed through retrospect, looking at gene mutations. In theory any reproduction can survive, and there’s no reason organisms grow in size.

What ever.
Now here is the really deal. God was bored, so She created the Devil and asked Her what to do for fun?
So the Devil answered: Since you are all powerful and can't even be stopped by logic, then make without making it this universe where the humans believe in Gods, but when they die, they all just die. And She did so.
That is this universe. I am certain of it and I don't care that you believe differently, because when we die, we die.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
The theory is correct, and nobody need show people evidence to people who don't use it to decide what is true about the world nor know how to evaluate it or any attendant argument. Nor should they expect the creationist to look at the evidence if they do. I don't need to ask whether you looked at any of the links I Googled for you. Why would you? You don't care what they say.
I’m not bothering with that nonsense google link babbling about the reasons for homosexuality, the link didn’t open anyway saving me time. As mentioned before I can see all the holes in reasoning in the number of science papers I have bothered to read finding all explanations fanciful. Homosexuality rubbishes your theory.
 

Subduction Zone

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That’s just collusion helping spread a lie. Some aspects of evolution like mutations and observed changes within a species are indeed fact but that does not prove other theory and importantly confirm the made up evolutionary tree of life by arranging random fossils found in the ground into a line. That is just circular reasoning. ToE is all one big wonderful lie.

DNA structures are made up of billions of elements from the periodic table, they do not have the ability to make themselves from scratch, arranging themselves into these giant structures. Importantly they have no consciousness, no atom or molecule does. It all points to design and a designer.
I love posts that tell us that people do not understand even the basics of science without coming right out and saying it.

Science is evidence based. You do not even understand what is and what is not evidence, how can you possibly every understand anything in the sciences? There is no "proof" in the sciences' There is only evidence. You may be confused by the use of the phrase "the burden of proof". That does not mean that one has to prove one's case mathematically. It only means that one has to supply evidence for it.

If I was a Christian and was claiming that my God was a liar, as you are, I would want to now how I am doing that. Why don't you want to learn how you are claiming that God is a liar?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I’m not bothering with that nonsense google link babbling about the reasons for homosexuality, the link didn’t open anyway saving me time. As mentioned before I can see all the holes in reasoning in the number of science papers I have bothered to read finding all explanations fanciful. Homosexuality rubbishes your theory.
It is rather strange that whenever you claim to "see holes" all that you can ever demonstrate are the holes in your education.
 
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