How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

[TagliatelliMonster]

So the essence of your latest rant is that genetics predicted apes would change into humans.

That's not even remotely close to what I actually said.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do you know why you forensically take every word of mine seriously

I can assure you that nobody here is taking your words seriously.
Personally I even go to the extent that I consider it more probable that you are in fact a satirical Poe rather then serious.

but always answer with nonsense, even flitting between usernames?

Bearing false witness again, I see.

I must be a threat to your agenda.

I have no agenda, nor do I consider you to be a threat to anything. Except perhaps my optimism in human intelligence and capacity of being rational.

 

[Apostle John]

That's not even remotely close to what I actually said.

No but it’s what you inferred.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They take the dates for ‘Lucy’ etc. as a matter of fact even though the methods are falsifiable.

You're not even using the word "falsifiable" correctly.
FYI: a method being falsifiable, doesn't mean that it is actually falsified.

Many hate God so they would accept any slither of ‘evidence’ that has the potential to contradict His existence

That makes zero sense. One would have to believe a god exists before one can hate said god.
I hate Putin. I don't consider that a motivation or reason to try and prove Putin doesn't exist.

I hate God no more (or less) then I hate Santa Clause or Darth Vader.

 

[Apostle John]

I can assure you that nobody here is taking your words seriously.
Personally I even go to the extent that I consider it more probable that you are in fact a satirical Poe rather then serious.
Bearing false witness again, I see.
I have no agenda, nor do I consider you to be a threat to anything. Except perhaps my optimism in human intelligence and capacity of being rational.

Good luck being optimistic. I was in a daze before I got to know the truth.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes you can drown out my voice with sock puppetry and nonsense but I will win in the end.

Like all clueless creationists, the only game you "win" at is pigeon chess.

 

[ratiocinator]

Not really, there is no facts in that argument.

There are facts aplenty in the article you dismissed - and you ignored them all.

Also if they like to think rocks are closed systems, how do they go about extracting the gaseous isotopes that are supposed by them to be the most accurate dating method?

Is this even a serious question? Nobody is saying they are sealed inside some impenetrable barrier and cut off from the rest of the universe. What is important is that, in its natural environment, it is effectively close enough to a closed system with respect to the relevant isotopes. This really isn't difficult with isotopes trapped in a rock. These things have been tested and calibrated, as described.

As well as my own evidence, the guy doing it is a known slippery liar going by public information about him and has certain interests.

As far as I can tell you've gone off into your own little fantasy world here. Ho hum.

 

[Apostle John]

There are facts aplenty in the article you dismissed - and you ignored them all.


Is this even a serious question? Nobody is saying they are sealed inside some impenetrable barrier and cut off from the rest of the universe. What is important is that, in its natural environment, it is effectively close enough to a closed system with respect to the relevant isotopes. This really isn't difficult with isotopes trapped in a rock. These things have been tested and calibrated, as described.


As far as I can tell you've gone off into your own little fantasy world here. Ho hum.

But how do they capture argon from the rocks, neither he nor you said.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

As well as my own evidence, the guy doing it is a known slippery liar going by public information about him and has certain interests.

And you don't have certain interests.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No intelligent reason to believe it takes millions of years.

By what the Bible tells, there was single continent at the beginning. And under it was vast amount of water. The water for the flood came from that water storage below dry land, when the original continent was broken into the modern continents. Continents have not moved much, they only went down.

The bible doesn't matter. Reality matters.

If what you say is true, bears could not have evolved from their common ancestor.

That made no sense whatsoever. Likely this was said with a strawman version of evolution in mind.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But you're basically spamming every single thread with the same obsession. Can't you at least stay on topic and not say exactly the same things everywhere?

I call it BRS: "Broken Record Syndrome"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I have a wealth of personal evidence, God will accept that evidence when I stand in front of Him.

I have a wealth of personal evidence that you are a Poe.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No but it’s what you inferred.

Nope.

What I actually said was that when Darwin came up with the theory of evolution, we didn't know about genetics.
So he hypothesized that there would have to be a physical mechanism by which changes are introduced into a species AND additionally also a physical mechanism by which those changes are passed on to off spring.

Genetics provides both mechanism.

Try reading with a speck of attention.

 

[ratiocinator]

But how do they capture argon from the rocks, neither he nor you said.

Isotope-ratio mass spectrometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Apostle John]

Nope.

What I actually said was that when Darwin came up with the theory of evolution, we didn't know about genetics.
So he hypothesized that there would have to be a physical mechanism by which changes are introduced into a species AND additionally also a physical mechanism by which those changes are passed on to off spring.

Genetics provides both mechanism.

Try reading with a speck of attention.

No you didn’t say that but it’s still fabricated nonsense. Genetics, with regard to ToE is an example of back fitting, making things fit. It cannot predict any species to species evolution in the future because that doesn’t happen, it’s probably why they gave their algorithm to Boeing.

 

[Apostle John]

Isotope-ratio mass spectrometry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And?

 

[ratiocinator]

And?

And you could try reading it and following the references. For example:

Several of the isotope systems involved in radiometric dating depend on IRMS using thermal ionization of a solid sample loaded into the source of the mass spectrometer (hence thermal ionization mass spectrometry, TIMS).​

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Thermal ionization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One application of thermal ionization is thermal ionization mass spectrometry (TIMS). In thermal ionization mass spectrometry, a chemically purified material is placed onto a filament which is then heated to high temperatures to cause some of the material to be ionized as it is thermally desorbed (boiled off) the hot filament. Filaments are generally flat pieces of metal around 1-2mm wide, 0.1mm thick, bent into an upside-down U shape and attached to two contacts that supply a current.​

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This method is widely used in radiometric dating, where the sample is ionized under vacuum. The ions being produced at the filament are focused into an ion beam and then passed through a magnetic field to separate them by mass. The relative abundances of different isotopes can then be measured, yielding isotope ratios. ​

Of course, I don't believe for a second you're really at all interested. If you were you wouldn't be so lazy. It's anything, any distraction you can think of to avoid facing the truth, with you.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No you didn’t say that but it’s still fabricated nonsense. Genetics, with regard to ToE is an example of back fitting, making things fit. It cannot predict any species to species evolution in the future because that doesn’t happen, it’s probably why they gave their algorithm to Boeing.

You are correct. Science ToE is back fitting and not the religious type of back fitting - "God took a clod of clay and made in his image a human and breathed in to it. Then when this person was asleep, he took out parts of his two ribs and made a woman out of it."
Yeah, science cannot predict future evolution of any species, since that will depend on what type of environment will exist in future. But science does know that the continents will continue to drift whatever the environment be.

 

[ratiocinator]

Genetics, with regard to ToE is an example of back fitting, making things fit.

It is not "making things fit" that is more bearing false witness. Thing do fit with the theory. We see exactly what we'd expect to see from the ToE. That is we see the remains of genes that were functional in ancestor species (that we can also see other species derived from a common ancestor, with the same disabling mutations) and new mutations that have added functonality.

It cannot predict any species to species evolution in the future...

That is neither claimed nor necessary for overwhelming evidence of what happened in the past.

 

[Apostle John]

You are correct. Science ToE is back fitting and not the religious type of back fitting - "God took a clod of clay and made in his image a human and breathed in to it. Then when this person was asleep, he took out parts of his two ribs and made a woman out of it."
Yeah, science cannot predict future evolution of any species, since that will depend on what type of environment will exist in future. But science does know that the continents will continue to drift whatever the environment be.

You’re ignoring the cataclysmic event of the flood of Noah that initially led to the continents we know today. Cataclysmic events do occasionally happen according to God. It was a side chamber, not a rib taken from Adam not that gives any further information.