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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
You’re ignoring the cataclysmic event of the flood of Noah that initially led to the continents we know today. Cataclysmic events do occasionally happen according to God. It was a side chamber, not a rib taken from Adam not that gives any further information.
That is supposed to have happened 3 billion years ago when there was no life other than microbial. No catastrophe for the life that is on earth today.
The differences and similarities? According to the Nature article there is a difference of 83% in respective DNA and apes only produce 29% of the same proteins that humans do.
Could you give me the link to that article? I do not know if you read the article yourself or are quoting what you read in a newspaper report. And if you have read the article then what was written in it and what you make out of it. Does it deny that humans and apes had a common ancestor in Prematomorpha some 66 million years ago?

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Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
That is supposed to have happened 3 billion years ago when there was no life other than microbial. No catastrophe for the life that is on earth today.
4500 years ago. Your dating methods have too many inerrancies within them to list.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Nope, you never once addressed any of my doubts about radiometric dating providing no information to support your case.
More bearing false witness. I've provided way, way more information on here than you have. All we ever get from you is childish, baseless contradiction, and foot-stamping. It's more sad than anything.

According to the Nature article there is a difference of 83% in respective DNA and apes only produce 29% of the same proteins that humans do.
More excuses to avoid clear evidence. Why don't you address the specific facts presented?

What's more, your claim doesn't even make sense. Apes are not a species that you could compare with humans. Humans are apes. Whatever you read you didn't understand it. Where's the link? Stop being a hypocrite. You are always demanding evidence for other people's claims.

Also:
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
All genetic studies of the species show is mutations and assumes a mechanism. It is back fitting.
No.

I can only repeat myself until it sinks into that brick skull of yours.................

Evolution theory was proposed before we know about genetics.
Evolution theory requires a mechanism to (1) introduce change and (2) pass on those changes to off spring.
Not knowing about DNA yet, Darwin didn't know what those mechanisms were. So his theory predicted that such mechanisms would have to exist.

Then DNA (genetics) was discovered.
DNA provides the exact mechanisms that evolution requires, and predicted to exist.

(1) DNA mutates = it introduces change
(2) DNA is inheritable = it passes on mutated / modified genes to off spring.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
More bearing false witness. I've provided way, way more information on here than you have. All we ever get from you is childish, baseless contradiction, and foot-stamping. It's more sad than anything.


More excuses to avoid clear evidence. Why don't you address the specific facts presented?

What's more, your claim doesn't even make sense. Apes are not a species that you could compare with humans. Humans are apes. Whatever you read you didn't understand it. Where's the link? Stop being a hypocrite. You are always demanding evidence for other people's claims.

Also:
That first link says: “Scientists agree that many questions remain unanswered but the chimp genome provides important clues to understanding what makes us human.”
Do you know what the difference in proteins they both produce?
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
No.

I can only repeat myself until it sinks into that brick skull of yours.................

Evolution theory was proposed before we know about genetics.
Evolution theory requires a mechanism to (1) introduce change and (2) pass on those changes to off spring.
Not knowing about DNA yet, Darwin didn't know what those mechanisms were. So his theory predicted that such mechanisms would have to exist.

Then DNA (genetics) was discovered.
DNA provides the exact mechanisms that evolution requires, and predicted to exist.

(1) DNA mutates = it introduces change
(2) DNA is inheritable = it passes on mutated / modified genes to off spring.
You haven’t added to anything to my responses.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
The wife is on chemo and hard hit. I am trying not to transfer and be combative just for being combative and you are one of the nicer posters, so I stopped myself.
Oh dear , so there is something going on, then. I’m sorry to hear that. I have a lot of experience of that, though my wife tolerated it fairly well. Hope she bounces back quickly.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
More bearing false witness. I've provided way, way more information on here than you have. All we ever get from you is childish, baseless contradiction, and foot-stamping. It's more sad than anything.


More excuses to avoid clear evidence. Why don't you address the specific facts presented?

What's more, your claim doesn't even make sense. Apes are not a species that you could compare with humans. Humans are apes. Whatever you read you didn't understand it. Where's the link? Stop being a hypocrite. You are always demanding evidence for other people's claims.

Also:
Hang on, just spotted your sleight of hand, it’s about chimpanzees versus great apes. Oh dear more lie spinning.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
You thought wrong because you don't understand the theory. It just doesn't matter because harmful mutations die out quickly and beneficial ones spread through the population - as I have explained in detail to you at least three times now and you've totally ignored. Wilful ignorance and a refusal to learn doesn't do your case any favours at all (but is sadly typical of creationists).
How do you explain how and why bad mutations die out quickly? Correlating or cataloging it, after the fact, with casino math is fuzzy science? How does that explanation differ from cataloging the winners of the lottery, while never telling us the future of the lottery. It falls way short of reason. It only appeals to fuzzy dice emotions like playing the lottery.

The same faux casino science, that supports your claim, also assumes any number of solvents can allow the conditions for life to appear on other planets. This is also based on casino science math odds and not any real hard evidence. It is a type of mathematical religion using a math oracle. The fuzzy dice premise of finite odds for anything, allows the false claim of alternate solvents for life, even without the requirement of any hard proof or logic. You assume your math is infallible. But math is also used in computer games to allow infinite lives and all type of virtual; faux, reality. Math, like a good horse, will do whatever you need it to do. Statistics was designed to be a tool to help build, but has morphed into a faux oracle for fortune telling.

For example, ammonia, which is a suggested alternate solvent; :NH3, can also form strong secondary hydrogen bonds and is therefore an assumed solvent for life on other planets. However, it has three hydrogen; H, and one pair of nonbonding electrons: :)) for secondary bonding self adhesion. This ratio of 3H and 1:)), cannot form as many hydrogen bonds as water, which has two hydrogen bonding hydrogen and two nonbonding electron pairs; H2O:):). Each water molecule can form up to four secondary bonds with other water molecules, while ammonia can only average one hydrogen bond with other ammonia molecules, since each ammonia molecule only has one extras electron pair:)) to share with three hydrogen. This difference in solvent self binding strength is evident in ammonia having a boiling point; BP of -21F while water has a BP of +212F. Both have the same molecular weight. The water matrix is much stronger.

The stronger self adhesion of water; compared to all the rest, makes a big difference in terms of life. Water's strength for secondary bonding self adhesion can force the organics to obey, since the self adhesion of its four hydrogen bonds, can out do the secondary bonding of the organics of life. This is why harmful mutations do not last. Harmful to life is not energetically favorable to water's self adhesion. Bad base pairing adds energy that water will need to deal with or allow.

Alternate solvents, like ammonia, and all the others suggested solvents for life; oracle based, would have the opposite affect. Since their self binding is no where as strong as water, this allows the organics too many opportunities to lead, to their own dissociated doom. Casino math is actually much more appropriate to life in ammonia and other suggested solvents than it is to life in water. Life in water is not about dice and cards, which are man made objects. It is about natural potentials and natural chemical selection at the nanoscale, loading the dice, using the powerful secondary bonding matrix of water. NASA looks for water on other planets as sign of possible life, not other solvents. It is not about the dream of winning the lottery but practical need.

The current life sciences do not even understand the importance of secondary bonding priority even in the brain. The current life sciences are addicted to dice and card math, that conveniently interfaces to the same math used by politics. Political promises needs fuzzy dice to work; fool people. Explain life without fuzzy dice. Once a politician has to tell the truth they melt. They need the emotional confidence game fuzzy dice can provide; lottery is winnable.

I am not saying religion; Creationism, has a more detailed logical explanation for life and evolution. However, I am saying fuzzy dice science is not the final frontier. It was useful, but it is now an obsolete stepping stone.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
That first link says: “Scientists agree that many questions remain unanswered but the chimp genome provides important clues to understanding what makes us human.”
Do you know what the difference in proteins they both produce?
Yet again nothing but evasion. You made a claim that was patently nonsensical and showed a total misunderstanding of basic biology and now you're just trying to distract. More comedy.

Hang on, just spotted your sleight of hand, it’s about chimpanzees versus great apes.
:facepalm: Humans and chimps are both great apes. Combination of ignorance and English comprehension fail.


The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as the great apes[note 1] or hominids (/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/), are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo (the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan); Gorilla (the eastern and western gorilla); Pan (the chimpanzee and the bonobo); and Homo, of which only modern humans (Homo sapiens) remain.[1]
 
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