How Enlighten Was Buddha

[atanu]

That added significantly to the depth of BS on this Forum, which is saying something.

Paying attention to this drivel is like *edit* touches a fool at three places'. Do you know the story?

 

[johnhanks]

But, you know, if Shakespeare lived in our time, he'd be locked up in such an institution, too.

On what basis?

 

[Vrindavana Das]

An insignificant contribution:

Būddha is an accepted incarnation of God - Vīshnū.

Būddha, by his own example, taught that we should strive to make a solution to the real sufferings of mankind - Birth, Old age, Disease & Death. Those who know the story of Būddha, would know that when He saw these sufferings, He left a beautiful wife, a huge kingdom...everything...to find a solution to these ACTUAL problems of life!

The purpose of Būddha's advent was to put an end to animal sacrifices, ordained in the holy Vedās for spiritual upliftment of one's soul, as these had degenerated to slaughter of poor animals, due to man's greed for meat-eating.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What clues you in that he was schizophrenic?

To clear up confusion on the First Noble Truth, "suffering" is a really loaded term that was originally used as a translation from "dukkha". Which more precisely into three types of discontent...there is the outer dukkha of pain, illness, and death which is inevitable; the inner dukkha of dissatisfaction with change and impermanence; and there's the subtle dukkha of life not meeting our expectations.

"Suffering" is more broadly applied in varying degrees of the experience of life. It's a common misconception to attribute the term solely to horrific traumatic experiences and the coping mechanisms we apply afterward.

His desire to be detached from his physical body, his aversion to the physical and he had hallucinations.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Paying attention to this drivel is like *edit* touches a fool at three places'. Do you know the story?

What's the matter? Don't like it when people criticize your pet messiah? How egotistical of you.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

it's true, in more superstitious times mental illness was seen as evidence of having been touched by god: 'touched' even survived into our own time as a euphemism for 'mentally ill'.

If Isaiah or Ezekiel had lived in our time we can be pretty sure they'd be safely locked away in secure institutions.

The "visions" alone should clue people in.

 

[Vrindavana Das]

What's the matter? Don't like it when people criticize your pet messiah? How egotistical of you.

I think what Atanu is saying is:

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

 

[CynthiaCypher]

An insignificant contribution:

Būddha is an accepted incarnation of God - Vīshnū.

Būddha, by his own example, taught that we should strive to make a solution to the real sufferings of mankind - Birth, Old age, Disease & Death. Those who know the story of Būddha, would know that when He saw these sufferings, He left a beautiful wife, a huge kingdom...everything...to find a solution to these ACTUAL problems of life!

The purpose of Būddha's advent was to put an end to animal sacrifices, ordained in the holy Vedās for spiritual upliftment of one's soul, as these had degenerated to slaughter of poor animals, due to man's greed for meat-eating.

He didn't find any real solution whatsoever. Repression, denial and avoidance are not real solutions. They are defense mechanisms.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I think what Atanu is saying is:

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

No I think he was just being insulting.

 

[Vrindavana Das]

He didn't find any real solution whatsoever. Repression, denial and avoidance are not real solutions. They are defense mechanisms.

Sorry, but it is exactly the opposite of what you are saying. He never advocated repression, denial and avoidance. On the contrary, he shunned the path of repression, denial and avoidance. He advocated the middle path.

He found and gave a real solution. A whole system, a whole new religion would not be accepted by hundreds and millions across the globe, if it was 'no real solution'.

He gave us, the science of self-realization in the form of Buddhism.

He showed the eight fold path to end sufferings.

He showed the path to Nirvana (moksha), to attain freedom from the sufferings of birth, old-age, disease and death. Nirvana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What more do you expect?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

He found and gave a real solution. A whole system, a whole new religion would not be accepted by hundreds and millions across the globe, if it was 'no real solution'.

He gave you a placebo. Denial and repression.

He gave us, the science of self-realization in the form of Buddhism.

He showed the eight fold path to end sufferings.

Define science.

What gave you was rationalizations and the intellectualization of denial and repression. He put denial and repression in a pretty dress and slap lipstick on it and then pimped it out to people. And people are buying it.

He showed the path to Nirvana (moksha), to attain freedom from the sufferings of birth, old-age, disease and death. Nirvana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What more do you expect?

There is no escape from old age, disease or death. Death is the fate of every living creature. Only people who fear it wish to escape it. Hence their denial of death.

There is no attainment, there is no nirvana except for Cobain's band and there is no Buddhahood. There is only your denial of death and suffering

You people want your saviors. Fine, have them. But I'll call BS on everyone of them.

 

[Vrindavana Das]

He gave you a placebo. Denial and repression.

Please read the story of Būddha. He stayed in the company of ascetics, for many years, who lived a life of denial and repression. Later, He left their association and attained Nirvana.

Define science.

What gave you was rationalizations and the intellectualization of denial and oppression. He put denial and repression in a pretty dress and slap lipstick on it and then pimped it out to people. And people are buying it.

Can you prove what you are saying here? From the sound of it, looks like you do not even know what Buddhism is! Because I do not trigonometry, therefore trigonometry is false. This is your logic.

There is no escape from old age, disease or death. Death is the fate of every living creature. Only people who fear it wish to escape it. Hence their denial of death.

Shows your ignorance on matters of religion. We are spirit souls. This body is a dress. Soul neither takes birth, gets old, suffers disease or dies...the body does. Attaining freedom of the soul from the bondage of material body is the aim of ANY RELIGION. So is the aim of Buddhism. It was preached by God Himself according to the time, place and circumstance.

There is no attainment, there is no nirvana except for Cobain's band and there is no Buddhahood. There is only your denial of death and suffering

Again, you are denying something you do not even know. THAT is BS.

You people want your saviors. Fine, have them. But I'll call BS on everyone of them.

Please learn and know your subject before forming an opinion about anything.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

His desire to be detached from his physical body, his aversion to the physical and he had hallucinations.

Where did you get this information of his supposed desires and aversions?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Where did you get this information of his supposed desires and aversions?

I read material on him. Where I live you can throw a rock and hit a Buddhist temple. I read several biographies on the Buddha.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I read material on him. Where I live you can throw a rock and hit a Buddhist temple. I read several biographies on the Buddha.

Anything specifically to list for your sources?

 

[BruceDLimber]

Buddha gave up a life of luxury so people could achieve enlightenment.

No problem: Divine Messengers tend to do that sort of thing.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Vrindavana Das]

I read material on him. Where I live you can throw a rock and hit a Buddhist temple. I read several biographies on the Buddha.

Then you should know about the middle path, eight fold path...His teachings are not that of repression, denial etc.

You are speaking from a bodily platform...thinking of yourself to be the body and not the soul. Your platform is false. Thus, your understanding of Būddhism is incorrect.

Unless one is given a higher taste, no one can leave lower tastes of life. So, people who have left the lower tastes of body and flesh, have got the higher taste of the self...soul. Therefore, please understand that Būddha did not advocate a life of denial and repression, as you are suggesting. Of this, there should be no doubt!

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Anything specifically to list for your sources?

Huston Smith, Thich Nhat Hahn and stuff like that.

 

[Jainarayan]

The "visions" alone should clue people in.

What proof can you offer that people did not have visions and are crazy, and that Buddha was schizo? Remember, you're making the claim so the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Jainarayan]

There is no attainment, there is no nirvana except for Cobain's band and there is no Buddhahood.

Again, back up your statements.

Or else Epic Trolldom.