How Great is the Darkness?

[mickiel]

I don't like it when people attempt to get a race from poetic imagery in general, "white people" or "black people", or "green people". It makes no difference who's doing it, it's simply that they are doing it that's wrong.

Race isn't an issue here, so I don't know why you said "when white people" when it's not always white people who act this way.

Its mostly white people that I see doing it. They even tried to bury it in Americas educational system. I am not making a case, I have shown the case that the bible itself makes. The bible seriously leans towards Jesus being a man of color, and highly unlikely a white man. Its not poetic imagery that Jesus was from the liniage of David, thats bible, David was Black, thats bible. Jesus was middle eastern, thats bible and geography, not poetic imagery. His appearence now is Dark Bronze, thats bible, not image.

Peace.

 

[Breathe]

Its mostly white people that I see doing it.

I have been fortunate enough to talk to Black Hebrew Israelites and a few Rastafari who have said that Jesus is black, so it's equal to those who have said Jesus is white - I've been unfortunate to have someone say because they are black they are superior to us "whites". That is an awful thing.

They even tried to bury it in Americas educational system. I am not making a case, I have shown the case that the bible itself makes. The bible seriously leans towards Jesus being a man of color, and highly unlikely a white man.

Its not poetic imagery that Jesus was from the liniage of David, thats bible, David was Blcak, thats bible.

Sorry to hear Americans are trying to do that, but you shouldn't be responding to people trying to prove Jesus was white by claiming/trying to prove Jesus was black. Where is it in the Bible that David is black, by the way? That sounds like an interesting read.

However, Song of Solomon 5:10: "My lover is radiant and ruddy, outstanding among ten thousand. " - Again, radiant. This is Solomon, a child of David. Therefore, people can still claim Jesus would have been white. If you aren't making a case out of it, I'd surely hate to see if you were. Again, this is poetry.

Jesus was middle eastern, thats bible and geography, not poetic imagery. His appearence now is Dark Bronze, thats bible, not image.

Forgetting, of course the poetic verse (btw, you know what colour bronze is, right? There are many different variations of it, from very light orange-y to very dark, almost black

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... and the fact it says "GLOWING"... that Israel was a multi-cultural melting pot at the time, with Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Ethiopians, and possibly even as far away as Indian Buddhists being there, then sure. But, you can pull up a photograph of a black Jewish person, you can pull up a photo of a white Jewish person, you can pull up a photo of an Arab Jewish person. (By the way, I hate the term "person of color". It's a disgusting term. White is still a colour)

What does this prove, though?

By the way, don't misunderstand, I'm not claiming Jesus was "white", but I don't think he was "black" either. I think he would have been of an Arab or the stereotypical "Mediterranean" skin, because of geography, but either way, it doesn't matter, and I don't know what agenda you're trying to pursue here, but it certainly doesn't seem like a wise direction to head in. Let Jesus' words be the guide, not his race. I love Jesus for what he taught, not because he was of the same race as myself.

The Bible may actually leave out Jesus' race for this precise reason: to avoid claim to superiority. Sounds good to me.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I have been fortunate
By the way, don't misunderstand, I'm not claiming Jesus was "white", but I don't think he was "black" either. I think he would have been of an Arab or the stereotypical "Mediterranean" skin, because of geography, but either way, it doesn't matter, and I don't know what agenda you're trying to pursue here, but it certainly doesn't seem like a wise direction to head in. Let Jesus' words be the guide, not his race. I love Jesus for what he taught, not because he was of the same race as myself.

The Bible may actually leave out Jesus' race for this precise reason: to avoid claim to superiority. Sounds good to me.

Peace.

Well I too am not claiming Jesus was Black, I just view the bible as leaning toward that color, more than white. I think he was most likely black, and it makes no difference to me either, I have both bloods running through my viens. In my view, Jesus was defintely a person of color, although you do not favor the term " Color", I do, I have no problem with it. Jesus was not Anglo or white.

And when the bible mentions " Ruddy", I view that as a term of Color, most likely Dark skinned Redish, simular to a mixture of Egyptian and Indian. Dark Skinned. I read the Song of Solomon as leaning strongly toward David being Black. But listen, I think the bottomline fact of geography explians it all. All the characthers of the bible were middleastern, Semitic, or Dark Skinned historically. I am sure there were exceptions to this yes, but I think the flow of our history comming out of Egypt, highly influenced the dominance of Dark Skinned melotin during those times. There were probally a high number of " Light Skinned Blacks" comming from those days as melotin begin to lighten. But I think the first humans were " Light Skinned people of color", and from those sprang both white and dark black.

I speak strongly on the subject because of how historically blacks were excluded from the bible. They were taught that all the characthers were white. Simon and Mark were Black, both from cyrene. The Queen of Sheba, Moses wife Zipporah, Jeremiahs right hand man Cebedmelech, Hagar, the peoples of Ham, Canaan and Cush , all were Black. You mention a biblical characther was black, and some people get very, very defensive, as if " Oh No", thats not right!

Anyhow, there are no direct scriptures that claim David was Black, but there are convincing clues, such as the Song of Solomon. 2Chron. also mentions David as being " Ruddy" in his Appearence, which I interpit as being " Dark." And Bronze is simply " Dark" to me, no matter what tone of it you view. Its Dark, its NOT white.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The Darkness spreads itself over the earth, masquerading as the light. Religion is the Darkness, those who, in Jesus name, are condemning unbelievers to their worshipped hell. Those who are not examples of real Love and Mercy, those who know nothing of Salvation, only righteous self preservation. Who would condemn all of humanity, and use the bible to do it.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

God is defintely using the Darkness to teach humanity unforgettable lessons. In Gen. 15:12;" And the Sun went down, a Deep Sleep fell upon Abram; and behold ( or pay close attention) Terror and Great Darkness fell upon him." Then in verse 13-17, God proceeds to teach Abram some very important lessons about his comming Life. Why God does this, I just don't know. Its as if he is using the Darkness to burn or sear information into our very being, our membraines, our Hearts.

Can't you recall dreams you have had that struck absolute Fear into you? I certainly have them from time to time. Have they taught you lessons or made you wonder if there is anything to it. Some people take those dreams and go gamble off them, you know, play numbers; because of their Greed. And then maybe moreso their needs. Its like God " Gets our Attention with this Fear", and then proceeds to teach things, as if we wouldnot otherwise pay attention.

And you can look at the world of unbelievers and see how strong not paying attention to God really is. Some people actually pay attention, but just can't get to the message, like many Atheist here. I mean they come to class, study the material, but simply do not agree with it in their cognitive minds. Just like Saul, before he became Paul. God used the Terror of the Darkness, struck Paul blind, got his attention, THEN converted him, and this had absolutely nothing to do with Pauls choice, his will, he was drafted against his will, his mind was supernaturally changed.

And God will do this to every unbelieving human in his time.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The Darkness is so Great, it can have you living right next door to a neighbor for years, and you don't even take the time to know them. Nor they you. And the both of you be comfortable with that foolishness. Its the Darkness, the Fear it instills, the wickedness it makes habitual with excuses.

There used to be a time that " Love your Neighbor" meant something, now be careful of them means more.

What has happened to change that? Well, its the Darkness, how it creeps in, blends in, then becomes the norm.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[MSizer]

Mickiel, I speak from experience, I am long term clinically depressed and socially anxious, and Dude, a lot of what you describe is how I felt before meds. Honestly, I really do hope you speak to a doctor who knows about this stuff, and give meds/therapy a chance. I suspect it could change your life in ways you don't realize it could (in a good way that is). I didn't think I needed help, not because I was afraid to admit it, but simply because I didn't know it. I was wrong. You might be in the same situation I used to be in.

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel, I speak from experience, I am long term clinically depressed and socially anxious, and Dude, a lot of what you describe is how I felt before meds. Honestly, I really do hope you speak to a doctor who knows about this stuff, and give meds/therapy a chance. I suspect it could change your life in ways you don't realize it could (in a good way that is). I didn't think I needed help, not because I was afraid to admit it, but simply because I didn't know it. I was wrong. You might be in the same situation I used to be in.

Thanks, but no thanks, I take enough drugs as it is. I drink coffee, use standback, which is asprin in powder form, I take vitamins, used to drink beer but stopped. I let wine and liqiour go a while back. I stopped smoking weed 30 years ago, and stopped taking " Getting High drugs" those 30 years back. I cut down on women, now one is enough, whereas before, 10 was never enough, that was a sweet drug too! That drug was hard to kick because lust loves to bother me, and women arn't getting uglier.

No, I have had my fill of drugs in all its powerful forms, I best do without. I need no more crutches, I will walk on my own. If I am crazy, then I will die crazy, but I will die drug free.

Nothing against those who need drugs, its just that I paied my dues in the drug world, and I want to remain free from them.

I'll just stay sick.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Thanks, but no thanks, I take enough drugs as it is. I drink coffee, use standback, which is asprin in powder form, I take vitamins, used to drink beer but stopped. I let wine and liqiour go a while back. I stopped smoking weed 30 years ago, and stopped taking " Getting High drugs" those 30 years back. I cut down on women, now one is enough, whereas before, 10 was never enough, that was a sweet drug too! That drug was hard to kick because lust loves to bother me, and women arn't getting uglier.

No, I have had my fill of drugs in all its powerful forms, I best do without. I need no more crutches, I will walk on my own. If I am crazy, then I will die crazy, but I will die drug free.

Nothing against those who need drugs, its just that I paied my dues in the drug world, and I want to remain free from them.

I'll just stay sick.

Peace.

Just to show you how powerful the Darkness is. I quit taking drugs over 30 years ago, along with smoking weed. I stopped drinking liquor 10 years ago. I stopped seeing more than one woman 10 years ago. I stopped stealing 20 years ago. I stopped fighting 30 years ago. I stopped being a church junkie 15 years ago. I stopped partying 20 years ago. And believe me, this list goes on and on, but yet, the Darkness still has a hold on me in my life.

So doing good does NOT get you out of the Darkness, its just that powerful.

Peace.

 

[Bick]

One thing about my life I have regretably come to accept, is that I live my life in the Darkness. I had to leave the Church many years ago because I began to understand that I was different than them, I had a lot of sin in me, and it was in me to stay. I was born with sin, and it ruled much of my life. It was also just as easy for me to believe in God, since my memory began, as far back as I can recall. I just always believed in God, that has never been an issue with me, its been easy. But there was something in me that was drawn to sin. The way it made me " Feel", the pull it had has always been more powerful than I. Its just that when I was young, I didnot know what this " Darkness was." This " Thing inside of me", this influence that kept hurting me, rotting my sucesses and knocking me down. I didnot understand that this " Force" was indeed Great!

In Matthews 6:23, Jesus himself gives an astounding teaching;"But if your eye is bad, your whole body is full of Darkness. If therefore the Light in you is Darkness, how Great is the Darkness!" If what is really leading you, is this Great Darkness, then the Darkness is your Master. Its what has you. And it has had me all of my life. It has never taken away my belief in God, but it has continually asserted its dominance over me. I understand what the Great King David meant when he asked God not to let his sin have dominion over him.

But I wanted to give an inside view of this Great Darkness, because I live in it each day.

Peace.

MY COMMENTS: Believing in God is a start. But even the demons believe in God, and tremble (James 2:19)

Don't go by your feelings---they can deceive you. It is the Word of God being received by faith, that chages a person.

Do you believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from the dead?
Then, read again Romans 10: 9-10, which says in the NIV,

"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."

If you believe and confess, then the Holy Spirit indwells you: and the Holy Spirit is more powerful than any evil power.

Are Christians perfect? No. Only Christ Jesus lived a perfect life. And even if we miss the mark (sin) in our walk, Christ is at the right hand of God as our mediator.

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransome for all.." 1 Timothy 2:5, RSV.

Blessings to you, Bick

 

[mickiel]

MY COMMENTS: Believing in God is a start. But even the demons believe in God, and tremble (James 2:19)

Don't go by your feelings---they can deceive you. It is the Word of God being received by faith, that chages a person.

Do you believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from the dead?
Then, read again Romans 10: 9-10, which says in the NIV,

"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."

If you believe and confess, then the Holy Spirit indwells you: and the Holy Spirit is more powerful than any evil power.

Are Christians perfect? No. Only Christ Jesus lived a perfect life. And even if we miss the mark (sin) in our walk, Christ is at the right hand of God as our mediator.

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransome for all.." 1 Timothy 2:5, RSV.

Blessings to you, Bick

And peace to you also.

 

[Bick]

Mikiel quote:
"But I wanted to give an inside view of this Great Darkness, because I live in it each day."

MY COMMENTS: My question is, do you want to continue in the Darkness?

And, do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

I'll assume you would answer "yes" to both questions.

First of all, many places in the Bible, "Light" is a metaphor for knowledge, wisdom and righteous etc.
While "Darkness" is a metaphor for unbelief, ignorance, evil deeds etc.

If you believe Christ died for your sins, rose again from the dead and is with the Father in heaven---if you believe this, you are saved, according to Rom. 10:9-10.

The Apostle Paul proclaims that God sent him to the nations "to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light." Acts 26:18, NEB.

All who are saved have been delivered from the dominion of darkness and transferred to the kindgom of His beloved Son. See 1 Thes. 5:4-5; Eph. 5:8; Col. 1:13.

As a beiever in the finished work of Christ, you will no longer be in darkness.

 

[mickiel]

Mikiel quote:
"But I wanted to give an inside view of this Great Darkness, because I live in it each day."

MY COMMENTS: My question is, do you want to continue in the Darkness?

And, do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

I'll assume you would answer "yes" to both questions.

First of all, many places in the Bible, "Light" is a metaphor for knowledge, wisdom and righteous etc.
While "Darkness" is a metaphor for unbelief, ignorance, evil deeds etc.

If you believe Christ died for your sins, rose again from the dead and is with the Father in heaven---if you believe this, you are saved, according to Rom. 10:9-10.

The Apostle Paul proclaims that God sent him to the nations "to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light." Acts 26:18, NEB.

All who are saved have been delivered from the dominion of darkness and transferred to the kindgom of His beloved Son. See 1 Thes. 5:4-5; Eph. 5:8; Col. 1:13.

As a beiever in the finished work of Christ, you will no longer be in darkness.

Well perhaps this has been your experience with God, but it has not been mine. He has me in this darkness for now, it is my reality, my life, my now destiny. Those scriptures sound wonderful, but as for me, its just not yet to be. There is nothing I can do to change this.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The Darkness has polutted the human waters of Life, which is why we are now suffering.

Peace.

 

[gnomon]

Muahahahaha!

Or is it

Bwahahahaha!

I can never get them straight.

 

[mickiel]

Muahahahaha!

Or is it

Bwahahahaha!

I can never get them straight.

I often wonder why some humans are so comfortable with elevating themselves to weird levels of personal hype, but the Atheist has elevated human life to have come from nothing. And yet they still seem to believe that what they think is worth something.

Peace.

 

[Danizar]

I dont understand how satan can use the Word to keep me in darkness, altho there is some darkness in my life. I am a NT christian, God said His Word was truth and that it would indure to the end,Jesus was the Word, I dont think the darkness can change or alter the Word, I dont know if satan can change your perception of the Word. I know its a battle I have been in for 30 years, that is to remove the darkness.

Matthew 4:5-6:
Then the devil took Him to the holy city and placed Him on the pinnacle of the temple, saying to Him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down; for it is written, 'He will command His angels concerning you', and 'On their hands they will bear you up, so that you will not dash your foot against a stone.'"

 

[gnomon]

I often wonder why some humans are so comfortable with elevating themselves to weird levels of personal hype, but the Atheist has elevated human life to have come from nothing. And yet they still seem to believe that what they think is worth something.

Peace.

I am the end all and be all. The Omega and the Alpha. The end and the beginning. And the middle!

I think so much of myself that I think I need to start a new thread all about me, my view on life and how incredibly awesome and different it is.

Or would creating such a thread just be a lot of personal hype. I don't know. You tell me.

 

[mickiel]

I am the end all and be all. The Omega and the Alpha. The end and the beginning. And the middle!

I think so much of myself that I think I need to start a new thread all about me, my view on life and how incredibly awesome and different it is.

Or would creating such a thread just be a lot of personal hype. I don't know. You tell me.

Why should I think that you can be told anything?

Peace.

 

[gnomon]

Why should I think that you can be told anything?

Peace.

I can be told lots of things.