-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
How hard is it to watch people heading for hell
- Thread starter Man of Faith
- Start date
logician
Well-Known Member
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Funny. When I lived with my girlfriend, and kept beer in the fridge, we were both Christians who believed Jesus came to earth to save mankind from eternal damnation.
Now she is my wife, we still keep beer in the fridge, and I recognize the folly of reveled revelations.
But I suppose if you had known us before, you would have thought we were godless heathens....
Oh the misguided ideals of those who prejudge.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Like I pointed out in a previous post, it takes more than a belief to be a Christian, it takes a change.
Wotan
Active Member
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
Hahahaha! Funny OP.
minding your own business, ever tried it?
please come knock on my door, all the jehovahs witnesses an mormons have blacklisted my house. it gets so boring without fundies. but i have to warn you, i've been watching a lot of dexter lately.
please come knock on my door, all the jehovahs witnesses an mormons have blacklisted my house. it gets so boring without fundies. but i have to warn you, i've been watching a lot of dexter lately.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
There's the rub. See, I was raised christian and followed that teaching for many many years. One of the things that started me questioning and doubting was the people calling themselves "christians". There was no change. Sure,they claimed all sorts of change and on the outside even tried to show their changes,but fundamentally they were the same. The ones who were ***** before where still *****, just sugar coated. The good people remained good people.
The only way to convert or teach anybody is to live in such a way that they become attracted to your way of life and begin to question you about it. If you cannot demonstrate that you live a better,more enlightened or more spiritual life in your day to day activities, why would I or anyone else believe you when you start preaching?
If I showed up at your door driving a rusted out Chevette and wearing ratty clothes and tried to sell you my own personal path to wealth and prosperity,would you bite? This,essentially, is what most Christians and others who are "witnessing" are doing. If you life doesn't tell me who you are,there's no point in talking. If I haven't known you long enough to make that judgement,why the heck would I believe anything you said anyway?
Last edited by a moderator:
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
Because he's morally superior to Yahweh, the Evil god that the Christians worship?
Amill
Apikoros
Is it also hard to watch god send people to everlasting torture solely because their life experiences lead them to be convinced of different ideas or claims about the Universe? How does this affect your belief that god is loving?
budha3
Member
It's easy for me to watch people heading for hell, because we live in hell. Hell is where the beast (animals) and false prophet are. The animals are here on earth, and so are the false prophets. Just think about it; a false prophet can only be affective here on earth (hell). Jesus distanced himself from hell: "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." (John 15:19)
"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world." (John 17:14)
"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world." (John 17:14)
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
So who is right, there is no shortage of people going around trying to "save" everybody they meet who has a different idea about God and/or acts differently then they and therefore such people are in danger of eternal hell fire.
As a Mormon I adhere to the guiding principles of proselytizing that are given by our leaders.
First: In D&C 11:21 we are told - Seek not to declare my word but first seek to obtain my word and then shall your tongue be loosed; then, if you desire, you shall have my Spirit and my word, yea, the power of God unto the convincing of men.
This is important, you have to be sure you are correct with what you teach and it is up to each individual gain such assurance. I believe that ignorance can be no excuse for teaching incorrect principles because a person who turns to the Lord with the proper attitude will find the source of truth and then with a little effort and time they will learn the truth and then they can go to preach it. A person who has received the word of the Lord will know it beyond doubt then the second directive applies.
Second: Mormons are told never to try and force what they are preaching on others. Unfortunately some are so zealous that they step outside these bounds and begin to judge others, I have been guilty of that but I do try not to let my zeal for what I know get the best of me. If a Mormon missionary is told to go away and not come back then that is what they will do. Mormons only teach those who indicate that they are open to discussion.
Now, having said that let me cut off the obvious request, This forum is not a place to proselytize so , NO, I'm not going to go away so don't ask.
I would not be so bold as to try and size up anybody as being worthy of Hell (outer darkness), Lord knows I have my own crosses to bear, but I do believe that I can know when something is wrong and I do love to engage in constructive conversation of a religious nature. Too many people here ask for proof of what everybody else says and that is useless, I believe that proof can only come from communication from the spirit of God to the spirit of the individual; that discussion and/or preaching can only open up the mind to the possibilities and then it is up to the individual to investigate and decide for themselves. Accusing and name calling is always counter productive and illogical nonsense for the sake of argument is always transparent for what it is.
Oh dear
that attitude is pathetic and WRONG, you don't know for a fact hell exists, let alone who is destined to go there! If you knocked on my door I would be saying, "No thank you", (I hope politely) as I shut it. You are much more likely to put people off Christianity for life if your posts are an indication of your views!:yes:
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If there truly is a just and loving god, then there can be no hell.
Now wouldn't that just disappoint the fundies greatly! I reckon some get off on the idea of the ones who don't see it their way burning in hell!
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Hell is nothing more than some sadistic revenge fantasy in the minds of men.
Too right!:yes:
no-body
Well-Known Member
Oh dear
That implies that "spreading the good news" or whatever is actually caring about others. It's more like theological masturbation.
It amuses me that they refer to it as 'good news'. "Believe in Jesus and get 'saved' or go to hell!" Who are they trying to kid?